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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #50 on: October 31, 2006, 01:52:51 PM »
As above 2 spots for all of Europe, Asia and Africa. In a contest that includes Americans.
6 billion people give or take

17 spots in the USA 300 million

It seems a little harder to me.

Why does team Universe have pro Cards when these guys can't even finish in the top 15.

Again, any member of an IFBB amateur affiliate can petition their national or regional federation to endorse their application for IFBB pro status. 

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #51 on: October 31, 2006, 02:11:54 PM »
So why have contests?

What is the affiliates requirement for a member to become a pro?

There are many shows around the world why aren't these Qualifiers?
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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #52 on: October 31, 2006, 03:00:03 PM »
That's a very good question!

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2006, 03:05:47 PM »
So why have contests?

Contests exist as showcases for the powder salesmen. 

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There are many shows around the world why aren't these Qualifiers?

Some will say it's a money issue, some will say it's a matter of quality and the depth of the competitive fields in certain places, but at the end of the day, the IFBB doesn't have an official spokesperson that will come right out and give you a straight, honest answer to that question.

To heck with the pro ranks...what we fans should really want to see is for the amateur divisions to be opened worldwide, meaning that any amateur from anywhere could compete in any pro qualifier anywhere in the world.  I would love it if there was an open Grand Prix event in Tahiti, for example. 

It's time to globalize.




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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2006, 03:17:57 PM »
Personally I would like to see less qualifiers and no national exemptions.
The field is too watered down.

I think the drive for pro cards in the US and Canada for that matter is a tool to market their shows.
It makes little sense to give every weight class winner at the Nationals a pro card. It is even sillier that Team Universe winner gets a pro card, even though they can't win at the worlds.
 
The rest of the world only markets for the World Championships. It works for them.

Pro's should also have to perform more than once a year. It would be a good idea to have a play down system, like the rest of the sporting world is moving to.
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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #55 on: October 31, 2006, 03:34:33 PM »
It's not what you know it's who you know.I know a Pro that was given his Pro card, did not even win a Pro qualifier or world title.A gift from a promoter. ::)

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2006, 05:36:07 AM »
Personally I would like to see less qualifiers and no national exemptions.
The field is too watered down.

I think the drive for pro cards in the US and Canada for that matter is a tool to market their shows.
It makes little sense to give every weight class winner at the Nationals a pro card. It is even sillier that Team Universe winner gets a pro card, even though they can't win at the worlds.
 
The rest of the world only markets for the World Championships. It works for them.

Pro's should also have to perform more than once a year. It would be a good idea to have a play down system, like the rest of the sporting world is moving to.

Not a bad post, but I think having our current 3-tiered system is good for business all the way around. 

You've got the amateurs, you've got your 'pool' of pros, and then you have your pro stars. 

Are there always going to be pros who will *never* qualify for the highest-level shows?  Yes, but we have to have lineup fillers, otherwise there's no show. 

I'd love to see some of the non-Americans come over and test themselves here against our best amateurs.  Likewise, I'd love to see our best competing against other top amateurs outside the U.S. on a more-than-once-a-year basis.

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2006, 06:12:40 AM »
When Joe Weider wasn't on stage to raise the hand of Mr Olympia I wondered if it was the end of an era. A month later Ben tosses the towel in and we have a whole new ball game. I guess we literally had to wait until these guys 'died' instead of killing the silly things the IFBB does and stands for.

Chick had another athlete's meeting. Weinberger was representing the promoters and could vote. About half a dozen athletes attended but couldn't vote. They discussed very little, decided nothing important and the meeting seemed to me to be almost a complete waste of time.

If the IFBB wants to be a relevant and responsible organization how about they do away with the appointed vice-presidents and have open elections in every member country? Ben and Joe have a lot of savvy as businessmen and have surrounded themselves with cooperating people who seem to the rest of us like kowtowing stooges. The whole organization is so corrupt that I wonder if a new president can save it.

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2006, 07:46:32 AM »
When Joe Weider wasn't on stage to raise the hand of Mr Olympia I wondered if it was the end of an era. A month later Ben tosses the towel in and we have a whole new ball game. I guess we literally had to wait until these guys 'died' instead of killing the silly things the IFBB does and stands for.

Chick had another athlete's meeting. Weinberger was representing the promoters and could vote. About half a dozen athletes attended but couldn't vote. They discussed very little, decided nothing important and the meeting seemed to me to be almost a complete waste of time.

If the IFBB wants to be a relevant and responsible organization how about they do away with the appointed vice-presidents and have open elections in every member country? Ben and Joe have a lot of savvy as businessmen and have surrounded themselves with cooperating people who seem to the rest of us like kowtowing stooges. The whole organization is so corrupt that I wonder if a new president can save it.


I'm sorry...I don't remember you being at the meeting, Vince. Were you sitting in the back row, or did I miss you somehow?

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2006, 07:53:30 AM »
I'm sorry...I don't remember you being at the meeting, Vince. Were you sitting in the back row, or did I miss you somehow?

Are you saying his assertions are incorrect?

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2006, 08:05:11 AM »
Are you saying his assertions are incorrect?

I'm saying he's a clueless old fuck, as usual...

I love it how he (and others) like to chime in with their 2 cents, without being there, having no knowledge whatsoever about what was said, or having anything to do with what goes on...


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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #61 on: November 01, 2006, 08:18:01 AM »
I'm saying he's a clueless old f**k, as usual...


Way to class up the joint. I wonder what would happen if the head of the NHL or MLB players union said that?

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #62 on: November 01, 2006, 08:22:26 AM »
Nothing would happen...

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #63 on: November 01, 2006, 09:10:19 AM »
I mistook the pro division meeting for the athlete's meeting. http://www.ifbb.com/ifbbpro/Minutes_ProCommittee06.pdf  I would bet nothing much happened at any of those meetings. I see Jim Manion was appointed by Ben Weider. Was anyone in the IFBB actually elected?

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #64 on: November 01, 2006, 09:12:41 AM »

A year of pro league business taken care of in just one hour? 

Those guys were rockin'!   :D

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #65 on: November 01, 2006, 09:21:28 AM »
I mistook the pro division meeting for the athlete's meeting. http://www.ifbb.com/ifbbpro/Minutes_ProCommittee06.pdf  I would bet nothing much happened at any of those meetings. I see Jim Manion was appointed by Ben Weider. Was anyone in the IFBB actually elected?

Last time I checked, the PRO DIVISION was a Wayne DeMilia gig...

The Athletes meeting had NOTHING to do with the Pro Commitee meeting you posted the link to...

Do you have any idea what your talking about?

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #66 on: November 01, 2006, 09:42:10 AM »
Yeah, DeMilia was an IFBB stalwart, wasn't he?  Let's see what a former insider can do to his old mates. What a pathetic enterprise so-called professional bodybuilding has become. I see very little in the way of integrity or honour emitting from those involved. Bob, your behaviour and demeanor on line is rather hostile and unworthy of someone representing any organization.

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #67 on: November 01, 2006, 09:48:29 AM »
Yeah, DeMilia was an IFBB stalwart, wasn't he?  Let's see what a former insider can do to his old mates. What a pathetic enterprise so-called professional bodybuilding has become. I see very little in the way of integrity or honour emitting from those involved. Bob, your behaviour and demeanor on line is rather hostile and unworthy of someone representing any organization.

What the hell are you talking about???

You start by saying the meeting was worthless and nothing got accomplished...then you use an entirely different organizations name, then you backtrack and say you were talking about a different meeting...which had nothing to do with what you originally posted...

Now you're talking about Wayne DeMilia..??

Why not just admit you got caught talking shit about things you don't have any clue about?

You sound like an old fool....

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #68 on: November 01, 2006, 10:11:14 AM »
I'm saying he's a clueless old f**k, as usual...

I love it how he (and others) like to chime in with their 2 cents, without being there, having no knowledge whatsoever about what was said, or having anything to do with what goes on...



Well you must not have much money cause no one came to the meeting.  What a meeting it mst have been.  You and a few mirrors talking to each other.  Did you get anything done.  Shoudl have been out campaigning, you could have got that last couple votes and you would have been the President.  Now that is climbing up the ladder.  From a IFBB Page to the President.  You could have made history

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #69 on: November 01, 2006, 10:14:33 AM »
These guys can come to the meetings, or not...

I'll continue to give them the option of being interested and having something to contribute for their benefit...If they choose to let me call the shots, and make change on their behalf...so be it.

I'll continue to work in the best interests of all IFBB pro's,it's apparent they are content to let me lead the way for them...I have no problem with that.

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #70 on: November 01, 2006, 10:15:43 AM »
Bob,

did you guys top the attendance of 4 from the 2005 Athletes Rep meeting?

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #71 on: November 01, 2006, 10:16:18 AM »
I'll continue to work in the best interests of all IFBB pro's

What about Rodney St Cloud?

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #72 on: November 01, 2006, 10:17:16 AM »
Bob,

did you guys top the attendance of 4 from the 2005 Athletes Rep meeting?

We sure did!

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« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2006, 10:20:21 AM »
We sure did!

Oh my, you are counting the hotel staff too now.  Come on Chic be real.  Give us the real numbers not the ones you dream up.  There were more pros in the Buffett line.  Actually that would be a better place to hold the meeting.

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #74 on: November 01, 2006, 10:24:13 AM »
What about Rodney St Cloud?

What about him?

When Rodney was in the IFBB, I worked in his best interest as well as every other dues paying member...

Now he's not...