Kickinger in the 'See Arnold Run' movie was extrememly noticable. Another was Jimmy Mentis in the Arnold '01. I remember being embarrassed for them. I think I'd pull out of a show to get that taken care of. It doesn't matter how much work you put into everything else, that's gonna be the attention getter. I remember the '02 Olympia commentary about Paco. Mike Matarazzo was so gentle by saying ' you can tell he's newer to the Olympia stage, see he's not quite as polished...' He meant this guy looks like the hands down Ms. Olympia champ and someone shoulda' grabbed a bra for this guy!'