Should Turkey join the EU?

[Nordic Superman]

Firstly, I don't believe Turkey is in Europe secondly I vote NO.

Supposedly a democratic and secular nation this story tells a different story:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1161811246117&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

And what's to blame? Once again, the religion of peace!

Fuck Turkey, fuck the EU and fuck islam.

[amc1980]

I was reading the other day that it may take up to twenty years before the Turks are allowed to join, if at all. They still refuse to admit to the Armenian genocide.

But on a side note, there is a Turkish girl in my landlaw class and I would most definitely like to do my bit for Muslim/Western relations with her!

[Hedgehog]

I believe Turkey should be allowed in.

But they should have to make lots of changes before joining, and get the approval should take 10-15 years IMO.

EU needs to put the pressure on Turkey, bad ass pressure.

We need them in. But not as much as they need to be in. So we can force them to do away with the religious influence and all that undemocratic shit they have going.

Getting Turkey to join could be another step in making the world less religious.

YIP
Zack

[Diesel1]

The question should be, should the EU be scrapped in favour of a return to the Common Market? then the answer would be yes.

 

[Hugo Chavez]

Firstly, I don't believe Turkey is in Europe secondly I vote NO.

Supposedly a democratic and secular nation this story tells a different story:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1161811246117&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

And what's to blame? Once again, the religion of peace!

f**k Turkey, f**k the EU and f**k islam.

Did you know Bush promised Turkey help getting into the EU if they joined the coalition of the bribed?

[Nordic Superman]

I believe Turkey should be allowed in.

But they should have to make lots of changes before joining, and get the approval should take 10-15 years IMO.

EU needs to put the pressure on Turkey, bad ass pressure.

We need them in. But not as much as they need to be in. So we can force them to do away with the religious influence and all that undemocratic shit they have going.

Getting Turkey to join could be another step in making the world less religious.

YIP
Zack

Tell me the pros of Turkeys inclusion and cons of Turkeys exclusion.

The question should be, should the EU be scrapped in favour of a return to the Common Market? then the answer would be yes.

The EU should only translate to a common market, not me being ruled by Brussels.

[Diesel1]

A common market was all that it was meant to be and nothing more

[Hugo Chavez]

A common market was all that it was meant to be and nothing more

People should keep that in mind when they tell us the exact same thing with the north american union...

[Diesel1]

I believe Turkey should be allowed in.

But they should have to make lots of changes before joining, and get the approval should take 10-15 years IMO.

EU needs to put the pressure on Turkey, bad ass pressure.

We need them in. But not as much as they need to be in. So we can force them to do away with the religious influence and all that undemocratic shit they have going.

Getting Turkey to join could be another step in making the world less religious.

YIP
Zack

Tell me Zack, does Sweden still have it's own currency or has your government sold you out to the single currency? How do you feel about this?

[Diesel1]

People should keep that in mind when they tell us the exact same thing with the north american union...

It'll seem like a great idea at first then it starts to grow, power starts shifting, they start passing laws, then comes talk of a single currency. The end of America as you know it has begun. It will happen

[Hedgehog]

Tell me Zack, does Sweden still have it's own currency or has your government sold you out to the single currency? How do you feel about this?

We still have the Swedish Krona.

I would like to see the Euro as a currency myself, but the Swedes voted against it (there's a majority in the parlament for the Euro though), so I doubt there will be Euro in at least 10-15 years, at least I hope not. The parlament should respect the decision of a general vote IMO, even though I don't agree with the outcome.

There are many pros of being part of the Euro, as I believe it will be the most powerful currency in the world in a few years.

The currency is less vulnerable, to name the most obvious.

The biggest drawback, is that Sweden would not be able to dictate rates and such for its currency any longer, instruments that are used to keep the market optimized.

That tool wouldn't be as sharp and specific, since not all countries that are Euro countries have the same economic situation and needs.

All in all though, I think the pros outweighs the cons.

YIP
Zack

[Hedgehog]

Tell me the pros of Turkeys inclusion and cons of Turkeys exclusion.

The EU should only translate to a common market, not me being ruled by Brussels.

Among all pros:
A more secular Turkey.
A more industrialised Turkey.
A democratic Turkey.
A modern Turkey.



Cons of exclusion:
Risk of Turkey turning towards Islamism.
A Turkey that refuses to embrace democracy.
Lots of other things.



The key issue is that if Turkey is allowed in with tough restrictions, and heavily supervised, the chances of democracy in Turkey is better than ever, the chances of equal rights for women, and the chances of rights for Kurds et al, are better than ever.

The idea behind EU is to unite countries to avoid conflicts. Here is a brilliant opportunity.

EU needs to seize it.



YIP
Zack

[Nordic Superman]

Aah right, so all the PROS you listed benefitted Turkey, and not Britain, Sweden, Spain, Portugal, France, Netherlands, Norway etc?

You're coming across as an hippy clown. Non-sensical.

[Diesel1]

We still have the Swedish Krona.

I would like to see the Euro as a currency myself, but the Swedes voted against it (there's a majority in the parlament for the Euro though), so I doubt there will be Euro in at least 10-15 years, at least I hope not. The parlament should respect the decision of a general vote IMO, even though I don't agree with the outcome.

There are many pros of being part of the Euro, as I believe it will be the most powerful currency in the world in a few years.

The currency is less vulnerable, to name the most obvious.

The biggest drawback, is that Sweden would not be able to dictate rates and such for its currency any longer, instruments that are used to keep the market optimized.

That tool wouldn't be as sharp and specific, since not all countries that are Euro countries have the same economic situation and needs.

All in all though, I think the pros outweighs the cons.

YIP
Zack

Yes I remember the Swedish no vote now and the shock on all the pro eu curency twats.

Well done Sweden. For now at least anyway, within twenty years we'll have a single curency weather we like it or not  

[Hedgehog]

Aah right, so all the PROS you listed benefitted Turkey, and not Britain, Sweden, Spain, Portugal, France, Netherlands, Norway etc?

You're coming across as an hippy clown. Non-sensical.

A more secular Turkey is very beneficial to Sweden, UK and the rest of the EU.

It would mean a democratic and secular Turkey.

Turkey is still at the border of EU, and better to include Turkey and reform it, make it a powerful economy and a contributor to the EU powerhouse, just like the Czech Republic is today.

There is potential in Turkey, tremendous potential.

It's not to any benefit to exclude Turkey, to keep them on the outside.

It's an extreme challenge to include Turkey, a challenge that needs a great leader, a man who can put down the pimphand and force Turkey to make the necessary changes, and explain to Turkey why they need to do this.

There will be need for both spanking and sugarcoating.

YIP
Zack

[Hedgehog]

BTW Nordic, calling me a hippy clown is only hurting your own credibility.

I take no offence, I just look at your arguments, and have no problem really with namecalling on your behalf. But I believe that your affection of throwing insults, hurts your cause, JMO.

YIP
Zack

[Nordic Superman]

Wait... Where does Europe begin and End?

If turkey becomes a european country, then Iraq is on the border of Europe. How long then til Iraq becomes a member of the EU?

Where's the potential in Turkey? You're talking as if it's some economic power house like China.

BTW Nordic, calling me a hippy clown is only hurting your own credibility.

I take no offence, I just look at your arguments, and have no problem really with namecalling on your behalf. But I believe that your affection of throwing insults, hurts your cause, JMO.

YIP
Zack

Damn... just call me a cunt instead of whining you damn hippy

[Hedgehog]

Wait... Where does Europe begin and End?

If turkey becomes a european country, then Iraq is on the border of Europe. How long then til Iraq becomes a member of the EU?

Where's the potential in Turkey? You're talking as if it's some economic power house like China.

Damn... just call me a cunt instead of whining you damn hippy

The argument about Turkey not being a part of Europe is a very legit argument IMO.

I'm not all for Turkey being a member, it's not a position I take lightly, I see arguments againsts Turkey being allowed into EU.

But in the end, I believe it to be the best solution.

I don't want it to happen today or tomorrow, not in three or five years. Maybe in 10 or 15.

EU and Turkey should continually grow tighter, and take care of the situation in Turkey.

TBH, getting Turkey and perhaps Ukraine inside EU, would make EU a economical and political powerhouse on the world scene, able to hold Europes interests against the Asians, the US and the Arab interests.

It's equally important to get Norway into EU, because of Norways enormous wealth.

YIP
Zack

[Nordic Superman]

Why should a rich, independant Norway want to get in the socialist dilema of the EU?

You think they want to be controlled by Brussels? You think they want to be told how to spend their money? etc etc

You're just another pro socialist. Turkey is NOT an option for Europe.