Author Topic: Another great commentary from Olbermann. (Read 5396 times)

Purge_WTF · « **on:** November 01, 2006, 06:08:17 PM »

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Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #1 on:** November 01, 2006, 06:10:39 PM »

Quote from: Purge_WTF on November 01, 2006, 06:08:17 PM

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I refuse to open that link for fear I will be tainted!

OzmO · « **Reply #2 on:** November 01, 2006, 06:18:20 PM »

Bush owes troops an apology, not Kerry

Those are the headlines.

The reality is: Bush, Rumsfield and the other gay neo-cons who have never served a day in combat their entire lives owe the families of these dead soldiers an apology for putting them in harms way BASED ON A LIE.

And yes, this doesn't let Kerry off the hook either.

Bast000 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 01, 2006, 06:22:36 PM »

Most of the people I know who signed up for the military weren't cut out for college (i.e. not the most intelligent guys). Most need the money and come from the lower class or lower middle class. Of course some are intelligent or not out of the lower classes but most are not well off and educated. Kerry is right.

Why would he have to apologize for stating the truth?

OzmO · « **Reply #4 on:** November 01, 2006, 06:28:19 PM »

Quote from: Bast000 on November 01, 2006, 06:22:36 PM

Most of the people I know who signed up for the military weren't cut out for college (i.e. not the most intelligent guys). Most need the money and come from the lower class or lower middle class. Of course some are intelligent or not out of the lower classes but most are not well off and educated. Kerry is right.

Why would he have to apologize for stating the truth?

Becuase in politics, truth takes a back seat to political correctness. In this case, it's not a complete truth. In some instances...yes, but overall no.

An all volunteer army is always mostly filled with poeple with little or no advanced education and or limited opportunities who are trying to escape a poor economic situtation. Most of these people do not make the millitary a career but instead get needed skills they can use in real life. They are of average intelligence.

They are really more of a product of a poor educational system and family units that don't place a high importance on education combined with a modren society that encourages the opposite of hard work and bettering your self through education.

Purge_WTF · « **Reply #5 on:** November 01, 2006, 06:30:14 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Intenseone on November 01, 2006, 06:10:39 PM

I refuse to open that link for fear I will be tainted!

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OzmO · « **Reply #6 on:** November 01, 2006, 06:32:21 PM »

Quote from: Purge_WTF on November 01, 2006, 06:30:14 PM

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lol

I get it! I get it!

pumpster · « **Reply #7 on:** November 01, 2006, 07:04:57 PM »

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Most of the people I know who signed up for the military weren't cut out for college (i.e. not the most intelligent guys). Most need the money and come from the lower class or lower middle class. Of course some are intelligent or not out of the lower classes but most are not well off and educated. Kerry is right.

Forgetting politics it's disrespectful to say that about those whose lives are on the line, true or not. Being right doesn't require actually saying it, which was tasteless given the ongoing sacrifices.

That's aside from the fact that this generalization doesn't apply across the board.

kh300 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 01, 2006, 07:23:42 PM »

look up the facts. the majority of the soldiers in iraq are from middle to upper middle class. the only people who have put troops in harms way are the fucking terrorists. the terrorists are the ones who started the war. bad information and lies are 2 differant things. the fact is the liberals have nothing to run on, so they came up with the bullshit "bush lied so we could go to iraq".

Bast000 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 01, 2006, 08:10:04 PM »

Quote from: kh300 on November 01, 2006, 07:23:42 PM

look up the facts. the majority of the soldiers in iraq are from middle to upper middle class. the only people who have put troops in harms way are the fucking terrorists. the terrorists are the ones who started the war. bad information and lies are 2 differant things. the fact is the liberals have nothing to run on, so they came up with the bullshit "bush lied so we could go to iraq".

where did you look up that information?

how did Bush NOT lie? Where were the WMDs that he claimed to have proof of?

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #10 on:** November 01, 2006, 08:15:30 PM »

Quote from: kh300 on November 01, 2006, 07:23:42 PM

look up the facts. the majority of the soldiers in iraq are from middle to upper middle class. the only people who have put troops in harms way are the fucking terrorists. the terrorists are the ones who started the war. bad information and lies are 2 differant things. the fact is the liberals have nothing to run on, so they came up with the bullshit "bush lied so we could go to iraq".

Yea, lets have this, how did bush not lie?

JOHN MATRIX · « **Reply #11 on:** November 01, 2006, 08:19:19 PM »

say what you want about Olbermann but the guy is a damn good speaker.
hes damn intense though...someone should buy him a beer so he can relax for a bit;D

pumpster · « **Reply #12 on:** November 01, 2006, 08:23:44 PM »

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look up the facts. the majority of the soldiers in iraq are from middle to upper middle class.

Go ahead and provide them; they're not the majority.

kh300 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 01, 2006, 08:34:30 PM »

the Senate Intelligence Committee, Lord Butler’s investigation in Britain and the 9/11 Commission have all come out and said there was no lying on the part of President Bush. Plus, Vladimir Putin has said his intelligence told Bush there were weapons of mass destruction.
so You’ve got three separate investigations plus the president of Russia all saying… British intelligence, U.S. intelligence, Russian intelligence, told the president there were weapons of mass destruction.now he may have made a mistake, which is obvious. bush even admits to that. but faulty intelligence is not a lie

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #14 on:** November 01, 2006, 08:54:39 PM »

Quote from: JOHN MATRIX on November 01, 2006, 08:19:19 PM

say what you want about Olbermann but the guy is a damn good speaker.
hes damn intense though...someone should buy him a beer so he can relax for a bit;D

He's a spin doctor!

Bast000 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 01, 2006, 08:58:54 PM »

'spin' is a word that republicans use in a way that makes no sense like "fuzzy math".

240 is Back · « **Reply #16 on:** November 01, 2006, 09:49:29 PM »

In all fairness, Bush got us into war over WMDs.

He didn't say WMDs from bunkers left over from before 1991.

He talked of buying yellow cake from Africa and roving chemlab trucks. "We know where the WMD are" - Rummy on Meet the Press.

IF he had said "I think there's about 500 pieces of 1985-1990 degraded mustard gas buried in the desert, would he have received the green light for war? No. North Korea and other states are far more potent threats.

We were told of NEW wmds, and given OLD wmds. To some, it's "Hey, he had them, we were justified!". Well, they like war and think it's cool when people die. I do not.

kh300 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 01, 2006, 10:07:32 PM »

George Tenet the head of the cia looked the president in the eye, and said, “President, weapons of mass destruction are a slam dunk.’ with the 3 differant intelligance agencys giving you the same information when the country is scared shitless of another attack. If you’re the president, do you ignore all that? if you dont like the war dont go. nobodys going to make you.

240 is Back · « **Reply #18 on:** November 01, 2006, 10:15:49 PM »

Quote from: kh300 on November 01, 2006, 10:07:32 PM

George Tenet the head of the cia looked the president in the eye, and said, “President, weapons of mass destruction are a slam dunk.’ with the 3 differant intelligance agencys giving you the same information when the country is scared shitless of another attack. If you’re the president, do you ignore all that? if you dont like the war dont go. nobodys going to make you.

Why hasn't Bush come forward and named the groups who gave him poor intel, and admitted that the WMD we were promised, were not there. Some 1985 shit was.

Why the hell are the people in power who told him this info, still getting a paycheck?

how the fuck did our three top intelligence agencies ALL GET IT WRONG when the UN and the on-the-ground team which was all over iraq with the best equipment in the world and 24/7 satellite coverage, not an ounce of WMD was found?

Why didn't Bush DEMAND the 3 intel agencies to show him just what they had, that the rest of the world couldn't find?

This leads to teh foregone conclusion that Iraq was always a target. Stupid people don't see it. But the rest of us know that WMD was just a lame excuse to get us in there. The rest of the world knew it. it's about oil and regional domination. it was never about WMD. Pwnd.

MKD · « **Reply #19 on:** November 01, 2006, 10:18:04 PM »

Quote from: Bast000 on November 01, 2006, 06:22:36 PM

Most of the people I know who signed up for the military weren't cut out for college (i.e. not the most intelligent guys). Most need the money and come from the lower class or lower middle class. Of course some are intelligent or not out of the lower classes but most are not well off and educated. Kerry is right.

Why would he have to apologize for stating the truth?

Assuming Sen Kerry was referring to the military and not a "botched joke", he was not right. From the newest recruit to the most senior general, the military as a whole is better educated than the general public-- and the education disparity is increasing due to the Montgomery GI Bill and other education incentives. Talk to any recruiter or just look at the military personnel statistics to verify this. They may not be cut out for college when they signed up, but they probably are a lot more educated once they leave the service.

kh300 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 01, 2006, 10:42:03 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on November 01, 2006, 10:15:49 PM

Why hasn't Bush come forward and named the groups who gave him poor intel, and admitted that the WMD we were promised, were not there. Some 1985 shit was.

Why the hell are the people in power who told him this info, still getting a paycheck?

how the f**k did our three top intelligence agencies ALL GET IT WRONG when the UN and the on-the-ground team which was all over iraq with the best equipment in the world and 24/7 satellite coverage, not an ounce of WMD was found?

Why didn't Bush DEMAND the 3 intel agencies to show him just what they had, that the rest of the world couldn't find?

This leads to teh foregone conclusion that Iraq was always a target. Stupid people don't see it. But the rest of us know that WMD was just a lame excuse to get us in there. The rest of the world knew it. it's about oil and regional domination. it was never about WMD. Pwnd.

the cia director was fired. the cia under the patriot act is almost completly differant now. the un weapons inspectors were kicked out of iraq. giving us even more suspicion of what was going on there.

240 is Back · « **Reply #21 on:** November 01, 2006, 10:48:19 PM »

Quote from: kh300 on November 01, 2006, 10:42:03 PM

the cia director was fired. the cia under the patriot act is almost completly differant now. the un weapons inspectors were kicked out of iraq. giving us even more suspicion of what was going on there.

No. Two days before we invaded, Sadaam caved and granted complete access to his bedrooms and bathrooms, as per UN/US requests. (It was a rather silly demand intended to irritate and spy - who keeps Sarin or Anthrax in their bed? lol)

We declined. Then we bombed the shit outta them. Look it up. We've lost 2800 men and killed 100 to 600k, because he violated our arbitrary timeline for letting us search his sock drawer for WMD. yes. Funny shit, eh? lol...

240 is Back · « **Reply #22 on:** November 01, 2006, 10:49:36 PM »

Quote from: kh300 on November 01, 2006, 10:42:03 PM

the cia director was fired. the cia under the patriot act is almost completly differant now. the un weapons inspectors were kicked out of iraq. giving us even more suspicion of what was going on there.

CIA director is a window dressing position, you know that. The come in and out every 18 months or so.

Please tell me
1) what 3 agencies told bush there weer WMD.
2) Who was fired form each for their error.

Oblique · « **Reply #23 on:** November 01, 2006, 11:19:42 PM »

How the f**k can anyone listen to that loser Olbermann?

The guy is a f**king former ESPN announcer.

Only the morons at MSNBC would give this douche a forum to talk about things he knows nothing about.

It's truly f**king hilarious!

Go away, Keith. That entire network is about to be sent to the scrapheap anyway. You'll soon be begging for your job back at ESPN even if you have to start bl*wing Dan Patrick just to get it.

240 is Back · « **Reply #24 on:** November 01, 2006, 11:26:03 PM »

Quote from: Oblique on November 01, 2006, 11:19:42 PM

How the f**k can anyone listen to that loser Olbermann? The guy is a f**king former ESPN announcer.

Only the morons at MSNBC would give this douche a forum to talk about things he knows nothing about. It's truly f**king hilarious!

Go away, Keith. That entire network is about to be sent to the scrapheap anyway. You'll soon be begging for your job back at ESPN even if you have to start bl*wing Dan Patrick just to get it.

I know it's fun to bash people.

But Olbermann has been working in primetime cable news for quite a few years now. And his voice is one of the only ones who focus more upon maintaining constitutional rights, then about riling people up with political bickering.

You have Oreilly bitching about Saw 3. You have Olbermann fighting nightly for an explanation of the war objectives/timeline, and more importantly, constitutional rights.

Which man is a bigger loser? The one who spends 10 minutes bashing movies and discussing torture with a psychologist (orielly)? Or, the guy who spends 10 minutes pointing out to Americans the ways their rights have been lessened in the last 6 years?

Monster awareness deliverace to the people, vs. monster diversion.