Dick Cheney's daughter is gay

[Mr. Intenseone]

Not only that, but the best of fucking all..... BUSH goes into full meltdown mode over the "activist" judges in NJ very happy use gays as a wedge issue....  The NJ court stopped short of approving gay marriage and instead paved the way for civil unions giving couples the same rights.... The court said in its 4-3 ruling; "The issue is not about the transformation of the traditional definition of marriage, but about the unequal dispensation of benefits and privileges to one of two similarly situated classes of people."

WELL WELL, LET'S SEE WHAT BUSHIE HAS SAID ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST....

''I don't think we should deny people rights to a civil union, a legal arrangement, if that's what a state chooses to do so.''--G.W Bush

Mr. Gibson then noted to Mr. Bush that the Republican Party platform opposed civil unions. ''Well, I don't,'' Mr. Bush replied. ''So the Republican platform on that point, as far as you're concerned, is wrong?''' 'Right,'' Mr. Bush replied.

''I view the definition of marriage different from legal arrangements that enable people to have rights. And I strongly believe that marriage ought to be defined as between a union between a man and a woman. Now, having said that, states ought to be able to have the right to pass laws that enable people to be able to have rights like others.''--G.W Bush

I'm really trying to find out what your point is? Is it you think that he's contradicting himself??

[Hugo Chavez]

I'm really trying to find out what your point is? Is it you think that he's contradicting himself??

are you actually serious   yea... Bush condemned what happened in NJ despite making public statements in the recent past that support the NJ court's decision?  IS BUSH RIGHT OR WRONG TO DO IT?  the point was obvious man....

[Mr. Intenseone]

Here's some more goodstuff for Cons 

"It’s time America realized that there was no gay exemption in the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in the Declaration of Independence... The conservative movement is founded on the simple tenet that people have the right to live life as they please, as long as they don’t hurt anyone else in the process. No one has ever shown me how being gay or lesbian harms anyone else. Even the 1992 Republican platform affirms the principle that “bigotry has no place in our society." I am proud that the Republican Party has always stood for individual rights and liberties... Now some in our ranks want to extinguish this torch. The radical right has nearly ruined our party... Anybody who cares about real moral values understands that this isn’t about granting special rights—it’s about protecting basic rights... Constitutional conservatives know that doing the right thing takes guts and foresight, but that’s why we’re elected, to make tough decisions that stand the test of time..."--Sen. Barry Goldwater

The Government "ought to be kept off our backs, out of our pocketbooks and out of our bedrooms."--Sen. Barry Goldwater

Mr. OneIntenseHobbit.... how does it feel to be a part of the radical right that destroyed the beauty of the conservative movement?  Absolutely ruined it.... Enjoy you traitor...

LOL..I'm a traitor?? Remember, i'm the one who supports our troops, like I said, just because your served doesn't mean you put your heart and sole into your job for the love of your country, and I say that because you oppose damn near everything this President has done and I assume you served under this president!

[Hugo Chavez]

LOL..I'm a traitor?? Remember, I'm the one who supports our troops, like I said, just because your served doesn't mean you put your heart and sole into your job for the love of your country, and I say that because you oppose damn near everything this President has done and I assume you served under this president!

I would never normally be for calling another American a traitor for having an alternate opinion, but you sir have fucking earned it with your bullshit of calling so many people traitors including when you suggested I was a traitor... I'll submit that you do a greater harm to our troops... Traditionally a member of the military has no voice... Their voice is that of their commanders period...  That means while they are in, they count on our voices... That is they count on the voices of the democratic process to be working... That means PUBLIC DEBATE.... so yea, you are a traitor to our troops by working to stifle the public debate.  enjoy traitor

[Hugo Chavez]

LOL..I'm a traitor?? Remember, i'm the one who supports our troops, like I said, just because your served doesn't mean you put your heart and sole into your job for the love of your country, and I say that because you oppose damn near everything this President has done and I assume you served under this president!

Honest Mr. Intfucker you ought to take that back because you don't know... That's bullshit!  fuck you! Why would you ASSume I served under this pres?  There's like no basis for thinking that at all... especially since I have said I served during the first gulf war fool... 

[Hugo Chavez]

Note how Int can't address whether Bush was right or wrong or Goldwater was right or wrong   Intstead, he's back to attacking my service... wow, that's very typically neocon of him...

[Hugo Chavez]

Int...

Goldwater is right or wrong.... YES OR NO.... WHY...

Bush was right or wrong.... YES OR NO.... WHY....

That was a really nice diversion attempt but I'm not that fucking stupid... now stop running as is your usual MO....

[Hugo Chavez]

DID you even read this Int  because you should!  these are the tenets I grew up with in Wyoming...  This is exactly why people use to say all the time that this is a free country and you may not like what your neighbor is doing but if you don't want someone in your business, don't get in theirs... People in Wyo use to say that... Haven't heard it in quite some time.... all that is as good as gone now...  Large part due to the POS drug addled hatemongering fools like the one you worship and the radial right who gives them their message... You are ruining America...

"It’s time America realized that there was no gay exemption in the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in the Declaration of Independence... The conservative movement is founded on the simple tenet that people have the right to live life as they please, as long as they don’t hurt anyone else in the process. No one has ever shown me how being gay or lesbian harms anyone else. Even the 1992 Republican platform affirms the principle that “bigotry has no place in our society." I am proud that the Republican Party has always stood for individual rights and liberties... Now some in our ranks want to extinguish this torch. The radical right has nearly ruined our party... Anybody who cares about real moral values understands that this isn’t about granting special rights—it’s about protecting basic rights... Constitutional conservatives know that doing the right thing takes guts and foresight, but that’s why we’re elected, to make tough decisions that stand the test of time..."--Sen. Barry Goldwater

The Government "ought to be kept off our backs, out of our pocketbooks and out of our bedrooms."--Sen. Barry Goldwater

[Hugo Chavez]

Silence is golden it says volumes about you without saying anything... thanks Int....

[Hugo Chavez]

Int says.... "OH GODDAMNIT... HOW DO I USE THE GOOGLE...." 

[240 is Back]

Her sexual orientation really has nothing to do with our nation, IMO.

[Mr. Intenseone]

Silence is golden it says volumes about you without saying anything... thanks Int....

I'm going to bed right now, you noob, I have to be up at 4:30am.

But a quick answer is NO, I don't agree with him (Goldwater) while I'm far from homophobic, I disagree with what he says about gays or lesbians harming anyone else, IMO, it does harm society morally, I'll have more on this later, but one question, what was the date of this quote by Goldwater, or are you just Googling what ever comments that you can find that contradics each other???

[Mr. Intenseone]

Silence is golden it says volumes about you without saying anything... thanks Int....

Google for what assmonkey??

[Hugo Chavez]

Her sexual orientation really has nothing to do with our nation, IMO.

uh hum.... not even when the leaders of the nation are doing things that affect her and people like her because of her sexual orientation... Of course it matters, they made it matter, bush makes it matter every time he speaks on this...  Are my posts deviated slightly from the point of the original post... yea... but important to the debate, yea i believe so...

[Mr. Intenseone]

uh hum.... not even when the leaders of the nation are doing things that affect her and people like her because of her sexual orientation... Of course it matters, they made it matter, bush makes it matter every time he speaks on this...  Are my posts deviated slightly from the point of the original post... yea... but important to the debate, yea i believe so...

Did you read my above post???

[Mr. Intenseone]

uh hum.... not even when the leaders of the nation are doing things that affect her and people like her because of her sexual orientation... Of course it matters, they made it matter, bush makes it matter every time he speaks on this...  Are my posts deviated slightly from the point of the original post... yea... but important to the debate, yea i believe so...

Your a bigger idiot than I expected....240"s right!!

[Hugo Chavez]

I'm going to bed right now, you noob, I have to be up at 4:30am.

But a quick answer is NO, I don't agree with him (Goldwater) while I'm far from homophobic, I disagree with what he says about gays or lesbians harming anyone else, IMO, it does harm society morally, I'll have more on this later, but one question, what was the date of this quote by Goldwater, or are you just Googling what ever comments that you can find that contradics each other???

So we know that you stand against Goldwater on the basis that you believe that gays do harm to society... morally How do your gay neighbors do moral harm to you for not being treated less than you?  I don't get where the moral damage occurs by providing civil unions the same benefits and equal rights in the workplace to gays?  How are you morally damaged by them not being less than you?  Unless you're a bigot?  And you forgot to answer, yes or no, why for Bush?

[Hugo Chavez]

Did you read my above post???

That's a reply to 240 idiot

[Hugo Chavez]

Your a bigger idiot than I expected....240"s right!!

again, you're the idiot.... that wasn't a reply to you... it was a reply to 240... 

[240 is Back]

IMO sexual orientation, gay marriage, stem cell research...

these are fluff issues.  they are intended to fill news cycles.  People get all riled up about these and they forget things like the two wars we're in, the fact many of us don't have health care, and that social security is failing.  Instead, we worry about little shit which will never afect 99% of us, and only 1% of us minimally.

Remember when CNN had BREAKING NEWS of a 14 hour plane flight of a man with a false confession to Jon Benet killing?  That was a percect example.  More important issues existed, but they chose to elicit an emotional response to garner ratings and keep the minds off the serious shit of the world.

[Hugo Chavez]

IMO sexual orientation, gay marriage, stem cell research...

these are fluff issues.  they are intended to fill news cycles.  People get all riled up about these and they forget things like the two wars we're in, the fact many of us don't have health care, and that social security is failing.  Instead, we worry about little shit which will never afect 99% of us, and only 1% of us minimally.

Remember when CNN had BREAKING NEWS of a 14 hour plane flight of a man with a false confession to Jon Benet killing?  That was a percect example.  More important issues existed, but they chose to elicit an emotional response to garner ratings and keep the minds off the serious shit of the world.

yes 240, you are correct in saying they are wedge issues... where are your posts on 911, i'll jump in   Oh it's becoming impractical for that debate to happen under the rules of General topics which aren't actually stated rules of the forum as per the delusional rantings of BiggerB... Let's get a political forum so we can post our asses off on real issues then  ... But there is nothing really wrong with debating a wedge issue as long as you know what it is.... If people would see that Bush flips to meet his needs on the issue, it is nullified as a wedge... If people would see the wisdom in Goldwater's words, it would nullify this wedge issue.

[240 is Back]

I'm all for a political board!!

[Hugo Chavez]

look 240, I really want to give a push again to the idea of a political board... I think it could be good.  I'll help make the case of why you'd be a good mod   I believe you would be fair!  It could be moded by you as a middle, Int as a righty and find a lefty... I would like it but I know Ozmo would be good as well as a few others... Think about it.... please..

[Hugo Chavez]

I'm all for a political board!!

I pm'd you on this... I want to start a new push for it for many reasons and would really like to get the drive going... Let me know..

[240 is Back]

To illustrate my point about diversionary news stories.... remember that monster 9/11-style plane plot that was foiled in the UK?  More and more of those involved are quietly being relseased every day.  It was important enough to scare the world, but they have nothing on the guys? Hmm...



UK 'air plot:' Brothers released

CNN
Wednesday, November 1, 2006

Two brothers charged in an alleged plot to blow up U.S.-bound airliners have been released after a British court ruled there was insufficient evidence to warrant a trial.

Westminster Magistrate's Court confirmed that the case of Umair Hussain, 25, and Mehran Hussain 23, was discharged due to "insufficient information evidence."

The two faced charges of failing to disclose information about the suspected role of their brother Nabeel Hussain, 22, one of 11 people charged with conspiracy to murder and preparing acts of terrorism in the plot.

Police arrested 25 people in raids across Britain on August 9 and 10 and charged 17 of them, after uncovering a suspected plot to attack up to 10 U.S.-bound passenger jets using liquid explosives.

The alleged plot was uncovered when a member of Britain's Muslim community noticed an acquaintance acting suspiciously and went to authorities, leading investigators to plant an undercover British agent in the group, U.S. and British authorities said.