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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #75 on: November 04, 2006, 08:21:19 PM »
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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #76 on: November 04, 2006, 08:22:47 PM »
ahem.........




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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #77 on: November 04, 2006, 08:25:44 PM »
who


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who doesn'ty like a tongue up their ass?


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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #78 on: November 04, 2006, 08:27:07 PM »
who


i mean really



who doesn'ty like a tongue up their ass?




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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #79 on: November 04, 2006, 08:31:18 PM »
i want that tongue up myass






ok, who am i bullshittin....


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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #80 on: November 04, 2006, 08:33:03 PM »
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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #81 on: November 04, 2006, 08:35:16 PM »
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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #82 on: November 04, 2006, 08:39:12 PM »
Admit the truth. You have been married for 17 years, and for every year your desire for hot cock up your anus has grown. The last 10 years you have had your private male rump rider. That's right, eh? Your own private shit canal cleaner. You love it when he uses his tongue, right? ;)

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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #83 on: November 04, 2006, 08:40:18 PM »
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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #84 on: November 04, 2006, 08:41:31 PM »
Uh oh.  Must be a full moon (no pun intended).  Buenos noches.  Have to go watch Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds with my girls.     

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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #85 on: November 05, 2006, 03:16:24 AM »
Not unless they rewrite the Bible. 

Only one part of the Bible is the words of God: The Ten Commandments.

Everything else, especially the Old Testament, are a bunch of different books that nobody knows how credible sources for Gods Will they actually are, hence the huge amounts of contradictions.

The testamonies of how Jesus lived, and set an example, coupled with the Ten Commandments, are the best bet on how to live a good Christian life.

Nothing else.

Try reading the Bible, the old testament, eg Mosaic Law: "Man should not lay with man as man lay with woman". That was Moses, or rather someone who wrote ABOUT Moses who tells us that. Not God.

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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #86 on: November 05, 2006, 09:25:31 AM »
Only one part of the Bible is the words of God: The Ten Commandments.

Everything else, especially the Old Testament, are a bunch of different books that nobody knows how credible sources for Gods Will they actually are, hence the huge amounts of contradictions.

The testamonies of how Jesus lived, and set an example, coupled with the Ten Commandments, are the best bet on how to live a good Christian life.

Nothing else.

Try reading the Bible, the old testament, eg Mosaic Law: "Man should not lay with man as man lay with woman". That was Moses, or rather someone who wrote ABOUT Moses who tells us that. Not God.

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Regardless of your personal interpretation of the Bible, this man's church agrees with the parts that condemn homosexuality.  Also, he violated criminal law by buying narcotics.  The only responsible thing to do was remove him from his post, particularly since he hasn't taken complete responsibility for his conduct. 

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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #87 on: November 05, 2006, 10:06:35 AM »
Regardless of your personal interpretation of the Bible, this man's church agrees with the parts that condemn homosexuality.  Also, he violated criminal law by buying narcotics.  The only responsible thing to do was remove him from his post, particularly since he hasn't taken complete responsibility for his conduct. 

Good point.

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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #88 on: November 05, 2006, 10:58:05 AM »
Regardless of your personal interpretation of the Bible, this man's church agrees with the parts that condemn homosexuality.  Also, he violated criminal law by buying narcotics.  The only responsible thing to do was remove him from his post, particularly since he hasn't taken complete responsibility for his conduct. 

You mean you don't believe him when he says he threw away the drugs?  Or that it was just a massage?  ::)

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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #89 on: November 05, 2006, 11:19:49 AM »
You mean you don't believe him when he says he threw away the drugs?  Or that it was just a massage?  ::)

Not for one second.  He's lying through his teeth IMO.  What Bill Clinton and countless other men have shown is we will not confess until you show us the video . . . or the DNA.  And even with video proof guys STILL deny, deny, deny (see Kelly, R.).   

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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #90 on: November 05, 2006, 01:25:40 PM »
Fired Evangelical Leader Apologizes

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- Less than 24 hours after he was fired from the pulpit of the evangelical megachurch he founded, the Rev. Ted Haggard confessed to his followers Sunday that he was guilty of sexual immorality.

In a letter that was read to the congregation of the New Life Church by another clergyman, Haggard apologized for his acts and requested forgiveness.

"I am so sorry for the circumstances that have caused shame and embarrassment for all of you," he said, adding that he had confused the situation by giving inconsistent remarks to reporters denying the scandal.

"The fact is I am guilty of sexual immorality. And I take responsibility for the entire problem. I am a deceiver and a liar. There's a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring against it for all of my adult life," he said.

Haggard resigned last week as president of the National Association of Evangelicals, where he held sway in Washington and condemned homosexuality, after a man claimed to have had drug-fueled homosexual trysts with him. Haggard also placed himself on administrative leave from the New Life Church, which has 14,000 members, but its independent Overseer Board fired him on Saturday.

In his letter, Haggard said "the accusations made against me are not all true but enough of them are that I was appropriately removed from his church leadership position."

He did not give details on which accusations were true.

The letter was read to the church by the Rev. Larry Stockstill, senior pastor of Bethany World Prayer Center in Baker, La., and a member of the board that fired Haggard.

Youngsters were sent out of the room before elders began speaking about the church crisis.

"Worshippers are always challenged by crisis. And when tragedy and crisis strikes it is at that moment that you truly decide if you are a worshipper of the most high god. And today as the worship pastor of this church I am very proud of you," said the Rev. Ross Parsley, who has replaced Haggard.

"I am so grateful for the government system in place here at this church. ... The speed with which things were dealt with this week has been a testimony to the godliness, to the integrity and authority of the overseers of the board of this church," he said.

Haggard, 50, had acknowledged on Friday that he paid Mike Jones of Denver for a massage and for methamphetamine, but said he did not have sex with him and did not take the drug.

The Overseer Board, made up clergy from various churches, used stronger language.

"Our investigation and Pastor Haggard's public statements have proven without a doubt that he has committed sexually immoral conduct," the board said in a statement.

The NEA, representing 30 million evangelicals, named the Rev. Leith Anderson, senior pastor of Wooddale Church in Eden Prairie, Minn., as its interim president.

Jones said in a telephone interview Sunday: "I am sad for him and his family. I know this is a tough day for him also. I wish him well. I wish his family well. My intent was never to destroy his family. My intent was to expose a hypocrite.

"I hope the healing process can start. I welcome his request for forgiveness for me."

Haggard's situation is a disappointment to Christian conservatives, whom President Bush and other Republicans are courting heavily in the run-up to Tuesday's election.

Many were already disheartened with the president and the Republican-controlled Congress over their failure to deliver big gains on social issues even before the congressional page scandal involving former Rep. Mark Foley.

Haggard, who had been president of the evangelical association since 2003, has participated in conference calls with White House staffers and lobbied Congress last year on Supreme Court nominees.

Haggard founded New Life in the mid-1980s and held its first services in the basement of his Colorado Springs home.

Jones, who said he is gay, said he was upset when he discovered who Haggard was and found out that New Life had publicly opposed same-sex marriage _ a key issue in Colorado, with a pair of issues on Tuesday's ballot.

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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #91 on: November 05, 2006, 02:37:22 PM »
Very good.  That's the right thing to do.  He's not the only one.  We've all fallen short in some way.  I hope he gets his act together. 

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« Reply #92 on: November 05, 2006, 02:57:05 PM »
Very good.  That's the right thing to do.  He's not the only one.  We've all fallen short in some way.  I hope he gets his act together. 

What would that consist of?  Sure he can wean himself off drugs, but his appetite for men is not going away anytime soon.  :-\

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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #93 on: November 05, 2006, 03:19:11 PM »
After a person is caught, he needs to shut up.

By sitting in his truck and spinning that silly story off the top of his head for the cameras, he destroyed his credibility. 

You can use drugs and rent prostitutes and still be honest.  Immediate admittance would have meant we could call him a junkie or a whore, but never a liar.  And in this world, being a liar is the worst offense of all.  You cannot re-buy lost credibility.  At least not for the wise consumer.  Some goldfished-memory sheeplike idiots will accept what they're fed by soundbytes.

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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #94 on: November 05, 2006, 03:45:58 PM »
I hope this Haggard fella will come to peace with his gaylording, perhaps his denial was a reason for the drug abuse as well.

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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #95 on: November 05, 2006, 04:11:46 PM »
What would that consist of?  Sure he can wean himself off drugs, but his appetite for men is not going away anytime soon.  :-\

That would consist of, among other things, fidelity (i.e., no adultery), honesty and integrity (I'm sure he lied more than once about his whereabouts and activities), obeying the law (by not buying and/or possessing narcotics), fatherhood (the atrocious example he set for his kids), and leadership (he misled and disappointed thousands of people). 

As far as his appetite for men, it's a temptation he will have to overcome.  He won't be the first or the last.  Everyone has their issues.   

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« Reply #96 on: November 05, 2006, 04:28:22 PM »
That would consist of, among other things, fidelity (i.e., no adultery), honesty and integrity (I'm sure he lied more than once about his whereabouts and activities), obeying the law (by not buying and/or possessing narcotics), fatherhood (the atrocious example he set for his kids), and leadership (he misled and disappointed thousands of people). 

As far as his appetite for men, it's a temptation he will have to overcome.  He won't be the first or the last.  Everyone has their issues.   


That all sounds good, but I don’t think his appetite for men is a temptation he can “overcome.”  This is not like chocolate chip cookies or smoking.  You can’t overcome who you are and this is who he is.  He has obviously denied it for many years and kept it from many people.  With everything he had to lose, he was not able to resist his sex drive for men.  There is no reason to think he will be able to do so going forward.  He can sublimate it or act it out in other ways (pornography or male strip clubs for example) but can he overcome it?

His wife has said that she is standing by him till the end.  Nice sentiments but “the end” could be divorce.  Not many women would be happy in a sexless marriage or a marriage with someone you think may be placing your health at risk.

Haggard may have trouble finding a date in the short term, but overcome his appetite? I think that’s virtually impossible.  :-\

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« Reply #97 on: November 05, 2006, 04:30:36 PM »
That all sounds good, but I don’t think his appetite for men is a temptation he can “overcome.”  This is not like chocolate chip cookies or smoking.  You can’t overcome who you are and this is who he is.  He has obviously denied it for many years and kept it from many people.  With everything he had to lose, he was not able to resist his sex drive for men.  There is no reason to think he will be able to do so going forward.  He can sublimate it or act it out in other ways (pornography or male strip clubs for example) but can he overcome it?

His wife has said that she is standing by him till the end.  Nice sentiments but “the end” could be divorce.  Not many women would be happy in a sexless marriage or a marriage with someone you think may be placing your health at risk.

Haggard may have trouble finding a date in the short term, but overcome his appetite? I think that’s virtually impossible.  :-\

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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #98 on: November 05, 2006, 04:50:02 PM »
That all sounds good, but I don’t think his appetite for men is a temptation he can “overcome.”  This is not like chocolate chip cookies or smoking.  You can’t overcome who you are and this is who he is.  He has obviously denied it for many years and kept it from many people.  With everything he had to lose, he was not able to resist his sex drive for men.  There is no reason to think he will be able to do so going forward.  He can sublimate it or act it out in other ways (pornography or male strip clubs for example) but can he overcome it?

His wife has said that she is standing by him till the end.  Nice sentiments but “the end” could be divorce.  Not many women would be happy in a sexless marriage or a marriage with someone you think may be placing your health at risk.

Haggard may have trouble finding a date in the short term, but overcome his appetite? I think that’s virtually impossible.  :-\

Bay I don't think either one of us knows enough about him to say he is a homosexual.  I suspect he is, but he could have also been sleeping with female prostitutes.

He has a wife and children, so in my book, he is a husband and father, who has a problem. 

Big surprise here, but we just have different views on homosexuality.   :)  There have been numerous men and women who have engaged in the lifestyle and then stopped.  It's not impossible at all to stop engaging in homosexual sex.  There is actually an organization that consists of reformed gays (for lack of a better phrase).  The name escapes me . . . .

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Re: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
« Reply #99 on: November 05, 2006, 05:52:04 PM »
Bay I don't think either one of us knows enough about him to say he is a homosexual.  I suspect he is, but he could have also been sleeping with female prostitutes.

I agree, which is why did not call him a homosexual.  No one has raised the possibility or prospect of him sleeping with female prostitutes so I’m not sure what you’re getting at..

He has a wife and children, so in my book, he is a husband and father, who has a problem. 

I guess we read different books.  I think someone who drinks, gambles, or drives too fast has “a problem.”  A married man and father of five who is living a double (hypocritical) life and sucks cock on the side with male escorts has more than a problem in my book.

Big surprise here, but we just have different views on homosexuality.   :)  There have been numerous men and women who have engaged in the lifestyle and then stopped.  It's not impossible at all to stop engaging in homosexual sex.  There is actually an organization that consists of reformed gays (for lack of a better phrase).  The name escapes me . . . .

And many of those former converts have come out against the conversion process as malarkey.  Gay, straight, or bi, I say be who you are and don’t apologize for it.  I can see Ted Haggard or someone from his church going through one of those “conversions” and then swearing by it.  Sorry. I’m not buying it.  Who do you think started those gay-to-straight conversion groups anyway and what do you think their motivations are/were?

Different opinions are nice, but opinions about things one has little real knowledge of are often useless and counterproductive.  Are you an expert on this subject?  Are you basing your opinions on first hand knowledge?  If not, why are your opinions so strongly held on a subject you really know little about?  I can talk forever about gay identity, but when the topic is, for example, lesbian identity, I defer to people (usually lesbians) with more knowledge in the area.  I think we would all be better off if fewer straight people tried to speak with authority about what it means to be homosexual or whether or not we choose to be this way.