Author Topic: Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair (Read 37227 times)

Dos Equis · « **Reply #25 on:** November 02, 2006, 10:26:35 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on November 02, 2006, 07:45:00 PM

Perhaps this sheds a different light on being homosexual as it's more something you are born with rather than you choose.

Why wouldn't he chose to have sex with a woman?

And this isn;t the first time this has happen with a pastor.

Why focus on the handful of high profile guys who fall instead of the thousands who don't? You are trying to use this instance to pass judgment on all Christians.

BayGBM · « **Reply #26 on:** November 03, 2006, 03:14:11 AM »

...The acting senior pastor at New Life, Ross Parsley, told KKTV-TV of Colorado Springs that Haggard admitted that some of the accusations were true.

"I just know that there has been some admission of indiscretion, not admission to all of the material that has been discussed but there is an admission of some guilt," Parsley told the station...

Jones claimed Haggard paid him to have sex nearly every month over three years. He said he advertised himself as an escort on the Internet and was contacted by a man who called himself Art, who snorted methamphetamine before their sexual encounters to heighten his experience...

He said he has voice mail messages from Haggard, as well as an envelope he said Haggard used to mail him cash. He declined to make the voice mails available to the AP, but KUSA-TV reported what it said were excerpts late Thursday that referred to methamphetamine.

"Hi Mike, this is Art," one call began, according to the station. "Hey, I was just calling to see if we could get any more. Either $100 or $200 supply."

A second message, left a few hours later, began: "Hi Mike, this is Art, I am here in Denver and sorry that I missed you. But as I said, if you want to go ahead and get the stuff, then that would be great. And I'll get it sometime next week or the week after or whenever."

BayGBM · « **Reply #27 on:** November 03, 2006, 05:10:47 AM »

I heard an audio clip of his voice mail messages on Good Morning America. Unless someone out there is very good at impersonating his voice, I no longer have any doubts that the allegations against this guy are true.

The leader of a 30 million evangelicals and active opponent of gay and lesbian equality sucks cock! This is so phucked up!

But you know what... I don’t blame this guy. I blame bigotry and homophobia... The ignorance and fear characteristic of bigotry is so powerful in our culture that what you have are tens of thousands of men (if not more) who are conditioned to think that simply being who they are is so unacceptable that they deny who they are (even to themselves) and get married only to end up sucking cock on the side.

Sure this guy will probably be expelled from the church and go away... but there are plenty more where he came from. The people in that church need to take a long hard look at themselves.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #28 on:** November 03, 2006, 08:04:49 AM »

Then there are the millions who disagree with the homosexual lifestyle (which is not in any way, shape or form "bigotry" or "homophobia), lead normal lives, and do not have homosexual sex. Stop trying to make the story of one man bigger than it really is.

OzmO · « **Reply #29 on:** November 03, 2006, 08:33:33 AM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on November 02, 2006, 10:26:35 PM

Why focus on the handful of high profile guys who fall instead of the thousands who don't? You are trying to use this instance to pass judgment on all Christians.

This instance IS indicative of many christians in principle,(not all of course and not most) . They commit major sins over and over again, sins that are about choices; moral choices; no-brainer choices. We only hear about the high profile ones. But the ones having gay sex, cheating on their taxes, commiting adultry etc... and then going to chruch every Sunday all at the same time condeming anyone who not a christian, supporting the destruction fo other faiths are the ones i'm talking about. These poeple are in your neighborhood, in every neighborhood around world.

They are not true Christians, they do not walk the walk, they only talk the talk.

this is not about perfection. It's about plain choices. The "Message" sometimes translates to some as not having to be accountable for your choices.... Therefore you can make Major sin choices over and over again and you are still saved. I call BUll Shit to that. that seems more like a built in mechanism to keep followers in the church rather than maintain a standard of conduct as a Christain.

Debussey · « **Reply #30 on:** November 03, 2006, 08:46:47 AM »

Quote from: OzmO on November 03, 2006, 08:33:33 AM

This instance IS indicative of many christians in principle,(not all of course and not most) . They commit major sins over and over again, sins that are about choices; moral choices; no-brainer choices. We only hear about the high profile ones. But the ones having gay sex, cheating on their taxes, commiting adultry etc... and then going to chruch every Sunday all at the same time condeming anyone who not a christian, supporting the destruction fo other faiths are the ones i'm talking about. These poeple are in your neighborhood, in every neighborhood around world.

They are not true Christians, they do not walk the walk, they only talk the talk.

this is not about perfection. It's about plain choices. The "Message" sometimes translates to some as not having to be accountable for your choices.... Therefore you can make Major sin choices over and over again and you are still saved. I call BUll Shit to that. that seems more like a built in mechanism to keep followers in the church rather than maintain a standard of conduct as a Christain.

Most christians are fucking hypocrites. They will burn in hell for their ignorance.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #31 on:** November 03, 2006, 09:55:52 AM »

Quote from: OzmO on November 03, 2006, 08:33:33 AM

This instance IS indicative of many christians in principle,(not all of course and not most) . They commit major sins over and over again, sins that are about choices; moral choices; no-brainer choices. We only hear about the high profile ones. But the ones having gay sex, cheating on their taxes, commiting adultry etc... and then going to chruch every Sunday all at the same time condeming anyone who not a christian, supporting the destruction fo other faiths are the ones i'm talking about. These poeple are in your neighborhood, in every neighborhood around world.

They are not true Christians, they do not walk the walk, they only talk the talk.

this is not about perfection. It's about plain choices. The "Message" sometimes translates to some as not having to be accountable for your choices.... Therefore you can make Major sin choices over and over again and you are still saved. I call BUll Shit to that. that seems more like a built in mechanism to keep followers in the church rather than maintain a standard of conduct as a Christain.

It is indicative that all people, including Christians, make mistakes. Everyone (me included) makes mistakes all the time, whether they are Christian, Jewish, atheist, agnostic, etc. You don't exchange your innate sinful nature for a halo and white gown when you become a Christian. In fact, temptations become much greater when you cross over, because the enemy is constantly trying to make you fall. A roaring lion, trying to devour you.

OzmO · « **Reply #32 on:** November 03, 2006, 10:07:03 AM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on November 03, 2006, 09:55:52 AM

It is indicative that all people, including Christians, make mistakes. Everyone (me included) makes mistakes all the time, whether they are Christian, Jewish, atheist, agnostic, etc. You don't exchange your innate sinful nature for a halo and white gown when you become a Christian. In fact, temptations become much greater when you cross over, because the enemy is constantly trying to make you fall. A roaring lion, trying to devour you.

The temptations only become greater becuase the restrictions become greater. Which is due one of organized region's method of controling people.

Deedee · « **Reply #33 on:** November 03, 2006, 10:14:01 AM »

I don't think it has anything to do with making mistakes. This man is obviously a self-hating homosexual. People who loathe themselves are often drawn to religion or conservative politics, as it gives them an opportunity to deny who they really are while they fight against gay rights, etc... Of course, sooner or later they end up giving in to their real natures, and that's when scandal ensues.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #34 on:** November 03, 2006, 11:22:17 AM »

Quote from: Deedee on November 03, 2006, 10:14:01 AM

I don't think it has anything to do with making mistakes. This man is obviously a self-hating homosexual. People who loathe themselves are often drawn to religion or conservative politics, as it gives them an opportunity to deny who they really are while they fight against gay rights, etc... Of course, sooner or later they end up giving in to their real natures, and that's when scandal ensues.

I've been in religious circles for my entire life and I completely disagree. This man may be self-hating homosexual, or simply a hypocrite, but he is not representative of the majority of true Christians at all. In fact, one of the reasons a story like this is so big is because it's out of the ordinary.

Victor VonDoom · « **Reply #35 on:** November 03, 2006, 11:46:14 AM »

Quote from: Deedee on November 03, 2006, 10:14:01 AM

I don't think it has anything to do with making mistakes. This man is obviously a self-hating homosexual. People who loathe themselves are often drawn to religion or conservative politics, as it gives them an opportunity to deny who they really are while they fight against gay rights, etc... Of course, sooner or later they end up giving in to their real natures, and that's when scandal ensues.

Agreed.

Doom disapproves

Deedee · « **Reply #36 on:** November 03, 2006, 11:54:00 AM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on November 03, 2006, 11:22:17 AM

I've been in religious circles for my entire life and I completely disagree. This man may be self-hating homosexual, or simply a hypocrite, but he is not representative of the majority of true Christians at all. In fact, one of the reasons a story like this is so big is because it's out of the ordinary.

I didn't at all say he was representative of the majority of true Christians. However, it is a statistical fact that pedophiles for instance, are more likely to hold conservative views and are "religious." Self-hating homosexuals will often work in areas where they can oppose gay rights. Some self-loathing gay men become priests or pastors. I don't think you can deny that.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #37 on:** November 03, 2006, 12:57:17 PM »

DOH!

I don't believe this for one second. He ought to just come completely clean and make the Jimmy Swaggart "I have sinned against you my Lord" speech.

Evangelical Leader Admits to Buying Meth, Receiving Massage From Gay Escort
Friday, November 03, 2006

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — Embattled national evangelical leader the Rev. Ted Haggard admitted Friday that he bought methamphetamines and received a massage from a gay prostitute, but denies he ever used the drug or had sex with the man.

"I bought it for myself but never used it," Haggard told reporters gathered outside his home. "I was tempted but I never used it."

Haggard, 50, a married father of five, who resigned his post as head of the thirty million member National Association of Evangelicals, said he never had sex with Mike Jones, a 49-year-old gay escort who claims to have had a drug-laced three year tryst with Haggard.

Haggard, who was leaving his home with his wife and three of his five children, said he bought the methamphetamine because he was curious. He claimed he threw it away.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227159,00.html

BayGBM · « **Reply #38 on:** November 03, 2006, 01:04:19 PM »

He gave another interview.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.allegations/index.html

Voice experts have matched Haggard's voice with the voice on the answering machine. When told this, Haggard admits that he called the prostitute. The reporter then asks what he called him about. Haggard replies, "I called him to buy some meth. But I threw it away."

So, we're supposed to believe that he called a male prostitute for a "massage" --not for sex. He bought the meth but then threw it out because he decided it was wrong?

Given a choice between believing the Reverend or believing the male prostitute, I believe the prostitute. $:-\$ There's a sentence you don't say every day.

And his poor wife sitting right there having to listen to all this... oye! Why does this guy keep giving interviews? Just shut up and go into rehab.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #39 on:** November 03, 2006, 01:50:08 PM »

He needs to confess, then shut up and go into rehab.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #40 on:** November 03, 2006, 01:55:47 PM »

Quote from: Deedee on November 03, 2006, 11:54:00 AM

I didn't at all say he was representative of the majority of true Christians. However, it is a statistical fact that pedophiles for instance, are more likely to hold conservative views and are "religious." Self-hating homosexuals will often work in areas where they can oppose gay rights. Some self-loathing gay men become priests or pastors. I don't think you can deny that.

I won't deny statistics (even though I haven't seen them), but I will deny there is any correlation between conservative views, religion, and pedophilia (priest scandal notwithstanding). I read a quote the other day from Mark Twain (?): "there are lies, da%@ lies, and statistics."

You could probably argue that most of the people in prison believe in God and are "religious." That's because the majority of the country believes in God and hold some religious views. You could say the same about people who engage in all sorts of conduct. What I don't think anyone can do is provide a credible link between genuine religious views and bad conduct.

Debussey · « **Reply #41 on:** November 03, 2006, 02:12:11 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on November 03, 2006, 01:50:08 PM

He needs to confess, then shut up and go into rehab.

Rehab because he's gay?

Dos Equis · « **Reply #42 on:** November 03, 2006, 02:31:53 PM »

Quote from: Debussey on November 03, 2006, 02:12:11 PM

Rehab because he's gay?

Rehab because he's apparently a drug addict.

Debussey · « **Reply #43 on:** November 03, 2006, 02:34:22 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on November 03, 2006, 02:31:53 PM

Rehab because he's apparently a drug addict.

Deedee · « **Reply #44 on:** November 03, 2006, 04:47:00 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on November 03, 2006, 01:55:47 PM

I won't deny statistics (even though I haven't seen them), but I will deny there is any correlation between conservative views, religion, and pedophilia (priest scandal notwithstanding). I read a quote the other day from Mark Twain (?): "there are lies, da%@ lies, and statistics."

You could probably argue that most of the people in prison believe in God and are "religious." That's because the majority of the country believes in God and hold some religious views. You could say the same about people who engage in all sorts of conduct. What I don't think anyone can do is provide a credible link between genuine religious views and bad conduct.

Beach I think you're reading my post backwards.

I'm not saying there is a correlation between conservative views/religion and pedophilia. And these people, as well as self-hating gay people, only make up the tiniest fraction. What I said was these people are outwardly attracted to conservatism/religion because it gives them "a front." How genuine their belief system is, is of course, highly questionable. I won't dig up the statistics, but the general profile of the average pedophile is: white, around 35, above average intelligence, conservative religious views. What I have read is that pedophiles are attracted to religion because it gives them the notion of comfort, i.e. that they will be saved, God loves them no matter what, their sins will be forgiven, etc. It is twisted, but then again these people are twisted from the get go. People lie to themselves, rationalize their actions, for all kinds of reasons. I also think many people in prison probably wouldn't have found God if they hadn't been imprisoned in the first place.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #45 on:** November 03, 2006, 05:10:51 PM »

Quote from: Deedee on November 03, 2006, 04:47:00 PM

Beach I think you're reading my post backwards. I'm not saying there is a correlation between conservative views/religion and pedophilia. And these people, as well as self-hating gay people, only make up the tiniest fraction. What I said was these people are outwardly attracted to conservatism/religion because it gives them "a front." How genuine their belief system is, is of course, highly questionable. I won't dig up the statistics, but the general profile of the average pedophile is: white, around 35, above average intelligence, conservative religious views. What I have read is that pedophiles are attracted to religion because it gives them the notion of comfort, i.e. that they will be saved, God loves them no matter what, their sins will be forgiven, etc. It is twisted, but then again these people are twisted from the get go. People lie to themselves, rationalize their actions, for all kinds of reasons. I also think many people in prison probably wouldn't have found God if they hadn't been imprisoned in the first place.

Ah so. You are correct. I'm a little slow.

I agree with everything you said.

Hedgehog · « **Reply #46 on:** November 03, 2006, 05:50:17 PM »

Quote from: BayGBM on November 02, 2006, 03:52:49 PM

Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
Evangelical Leader Ted Haggard Steps Down After Being Accused of Affair With Gay Man

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. Nov 2, 2006 (AP)— The Rev. Ted Haggard resigned as president of the influential National Association of Evangelicals on Thursday after being accused of paying for sex with a man.

Haggard who has been a leading opponent of the drive for same-sex marriage also stepped aside as head of his 14,000-member New Life Church while a church panel investigates, saying he could "not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations."

The investigation came after a 49-year-old man told a Denver radio station that Haggard paid him to have sex nearly every month for three years.

Haggard, a married father of five, denied the allegations in an interview with KUSA-TV late Wednesday: "Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I'm steady with my wife, I'm faithful to my wife."

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press.

People should be supportive of this homo, instead of blasting him for not coming out.

Something's fcuked up with this society when a fag like this guy doesn't feel comfortable being public about being a homo.

YIP
Zack

OzmO · « **Reply #47 on:** November 03, 2006, 06:04:45 PM »

Quote from: Hedgehog on November 03, 2006, 05:50:17 PM

People should be supportive of this homo, instead of blasting him for not coming out.

Something's fcuked up with this society when a fag like this guy doesn't feel comfortable being public about being a homo.

YIP
Zack

His religion, which is everything he is about, which he leads and influences a greatmany young people forbids him to engage in sex with a man and sees it as a choice of sinning.

No way but out for him.

Ahh yes they will all forgive him, and in time he'll do it again, we just won;t hear about it becuase he'll more careful fext time.

Butterbean · « **Reply #48 on:** November 03, 2006, 06:05:19 PM »

Quote from: Debussey on November 03, 2006, 08:46:47 AM

Most christians are fucking hypocrites. They will burn in hell for their ignorance.

ALL christians are hypocrites. Because ALL PEOPLE are hypocrites. But if you are truly a Christian (which means you are saved by no means of what you have accomplished by yourself) you WON'T burn in hell because you are forgiven because you have seen the need for forgiveness and accepted it through what Christ did for you

(yes, I feel a move to the Relig. board here $:-\$ )

Quote from: Hedgehog on November 03, 2006, 05:50:17 PM

People should be supportive of this homo, instead of blasting him for not coming out.

Something's fcuked up with this society when a fag like this guy doesn't feel comfortable being public about being a homo.

YIP
Zack

I'm sorry but if this person wants to just be a homer, that's one thing...but he has a wife (that he is committing adultery against) as well as he has purportedly been lying to his children, his congregation, and the world.

Quote from: BayGBM on November 03, 2006, 01:04:19 PM

He gave another interview.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.allegations/index.html

Haggard replies, "I called him to buy some meth. But I threw it away."

Sounds as reliable as "I didn't inhale."

Ree damn diculous. I feel badly for his family

gordiano · « **Reply #49 on:** November 03, 2006, 06:07:15 PM »

Quote from: BayGBM on November 02, 2006, 03:52:49 PM

Evangelical Leader Accused of Gay Affair
Evangelical Leader Ted Haggard Steps Down After Being Accused of Affair With Gay Man

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. Nov 2, 2006 (AP)— The Rev. Ted Haggard resigned as president of the influential National Association of Evangelicals on Thursday after being accused of paying for sex with a man.

Haggard who has been a leading opponent of the drive for same-sex marriage also stepped aside as head of his 14,000-member New Life Church while a church panel investigates, saying he could "not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations."

The investigation came after a 49-year-old man told a Denver radio station that Haggard paid him to have sex nearly every month for three years.

Haggard, a married father of five, denied the allegations in an interview with KUSA-TV late Wednesday: "Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I'm steady with my wife, I'm faithful to my wife."

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press.

How fitting. Hate the gays and all along he's one of them.

Monster irony.