Shawn Ray had the muscle maturity of a 35 year old @ 21 years old. Just dig back some pics and you'll see what Im taking about. He was way ahead of the IFBB development curve. At 22 or 23 he was already a Ironman and Arnold champ, Weiders had no idea what to do. Come to the Arnold Classic and Shawn magically test postive for winstrol. Right. That was the end for him, unbelievable phyisque.