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Deadlifts = Nausea???
« on: November 04, 2006, 05:08:38 PM »
Wondering if this happens to others.  I find that after I do my final "heavy" set of deadlifts I get so nauseous  it ends my workout.  Since I try to do deads early in the workout when freshest I've been having some pretty short back days.  I've tried changing my before meal but havent seen  lot of difference.  Could it be because the abs and core stabilizers get so "locked" up???  Could it be a technique issue?
Any of you guys have this problem...or found a way around it?

Also, do you find a difference in taking the deadlift all the way to the ground or just bringing the bar a couple of inches below the knees?  I find more emphasis on the back versus legs that way...you guys?










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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2006, 05:10:08 PM »
I like deadlifts. But nothing hits the lower back like heavy assed good mornings imo.

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2006, 05:33:28 PM »
I agree...Good mornings are one of my favorites.  Im wondering if deadlifts are that important in a bodybuilding regime.  I have no doubt that they add strength in the core, back and legs...that its an excellent exercise, but in terms of shaping the body???

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2006, 05:43:55 PM »
 It's VERY common, if you didn't get nauseous then you're probably not doing them correctly ;)

Are they necessary?  :o Two of the greatest backs in history (Yates and Coleman) had ONE thing in common....HEAVY DEADLIFTS!

Trust me stick with them, if you have to, do them at the end of the workout.


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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2006, 05:54:38 PM »
deadlifts are great not only as a muscle stimulator but as a  testosterone stimulator

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2006, 06:11:12 PM »

Also, do you find a difference in taking the deadlift all the way to the ground or just bringing the bar a couple of inches below the knees?  I find more emphasis on the back versus legs that way...you guys?



Bodybuilding Deadlifts – These are called bodybuilding deadlifts, because of their extreme hypertrophy abilities. They are an aesthetic exercise, and build the rotator cuff muscles, but also retract the scapula, which builds center back thickness as well. Traditionally these are performed on smith machines. You will frequently see Charles Glass utilize this exercise with top IFBB pros. It is a partial deadlift. You set the weight to a level about knee high. The the key is to focus on pulling the weight with the upper back muscles. At the top range of motion laterally rotate your shoulder joint, and squeeze the living daylights out of your rotator cuff muscles. The key is the lateral rotation here! You should get a massive peak contraction.

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2006, 06:53:11 PM »

Goodmornings are for fitness competitors ;)

BULLSHIAT!!!

I personally watched the great Bruce Randall ('59 Mr. Universe) knock out a set of GM's (no lifting belt and bending over till his upper back was approx. parallel to the floor with over 500 lbs. x 5 reps.).

In his prime, Bruce could deadlift (in front of many creditable witnesses) over 700 lbs. (no drugs!), when the best deadlifters in the world at that time (mid-1950's) could not do much more!

GM's are a good assistance exercise, as an alternative exercise to the deadlift, and Bruce Randall did them almost exclusively as a lower-back/glute/hamstring developing/strengthening exercise! To do them properly, you bend your knees slightly ("soft" knee-lock") and are practically forced to maintain a flat-back throughout the movement.

The BIG problem with the regular straight-bar DL, unless you use the Sumo-style, is clearing the knees, and having to dangerously round the back to do so, with maximum poundages. Enter the Gerard Trap Bar whose rhombus-shape allows you to pull the bar straight-up and back, over the heels, and enables a much SAFER, flatter back position throughout the complete DL movement!

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2006, 07:41:23 PM »
Great info!  I had heard that the 3 big movements, dl,chest press and squats made your body release the most GH and test...and I personally enjoy the move because I have long arms for 5'11...it just feels natural to my body, unlike squats where I have to work hard to get a 'natural' movement.  I dont do DL every back day as they just take so much out of you, but they kill the rest of my workout. 
Do you think I should stick to lighter weight and higher reps?  I can typically do 225 for 10-12 reps 3 sets.  On friday I did 315 for 5...trying to show off a little to a new training partner...AND MAN DID I PAY THE PRICE!  Had to cut the workout short by saying  I was tired...didn't want to come right out and say I was about to hurl...wouldn't look to good.

I guess my question is what do you do to overcome the nausea and keep working?  I've tried drinking more water...less water...eating a protien bar (mistake) drinking a protein drink.  Usually I have to get in the shower and turn the water to cold...get a few dry heaves and feel a little better.  I workout at a Gold's gym that I would call 'sorta hardcore'  its pretty well behaved..a few muscle heads, way too many divorced guys in their 40s watching women and too much MTV type music and videos.  Its not that I dont want to puke (I dont), but...I dont want to puke there...my dad works out there and I would have to hear endless stories about "pushing it to hard tough guy" at family events.    It's an Irish family...so you know that f**king story would go about 20 years!

Any advice...Oh and I've walked outside and around the parking lot a few times too...not much help!

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2006, 08:17:12 PM »
Do you think I should stick to lighter weight and higher reps?  I can typically do 225 for 10-12 reps 3 sets.  On friday I did 315 for 5...trying to show off a little to a new training partner...AND MAN DID I PAY THE PRICE!  Had to cut the workout short by saying  I was tired...didn't want to come right out and say I was about to hurl...wouldn't look to good.

I guess my question is what do you do to overcome the nausea and keep working?  I've tried drinking more water...less water...eating a protien bar (mistake) drinking a protein drink.  Usually I have to get in the shower and turn the water to cold...get a few dry heaves and feel a little better.  I workout at a Gold's gym that I would call 'sorta hardcore'  its pretty well behaved..a few muscle heads, way too many divorced guys in their 40s watching women and too much MTV type music and videos.  Its not that I dont want to puke (I dont), but...I dont want to puke there...my dad works out there and I would have to hear endless stories about "pushing it to hard tough guy" at family events.    It's an Irish family...so you know that f**king story would go about 20 years!

Any advice...Oh and I've walked outside and around the parking lot a few times too...not much help!

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i would keep the rep range from 6-12.

also if you are a bodybuilder i wouldnt be doing deads off the ground...there is really no reason for it....do the bodybuilding or rack lifts that i posted above...i do them on the power rack ...once i started doing these as part of my regular back training i saw some drastic improvements.

as far as the nausea while training you may have to change what you are doing with you pre workout meal....if you are getting nausea while working out you could have pop a few of those tums tabs while your training...it will help to neutralize the acid in the stomach.

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2006, 08:54:33 PM »
as far as the nausea while training you may have to change what you are doing with you pre workout meal....if you are getting nausea while working out you could have pop a few of those tums tabs while your training...it will help to neutralize the acid in the stomach.

Thats not a bad idea!  Ive tried not eating breakfast, as I workout in the morning, and have less problems but NO energy to sustain the workout.  But I'll try your suggestion.

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2006, 09:00:19 PM »



Goodmornings are for fitness competitors ;)

Then the NFL must be full of fitness competitors :-\!!

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2006, 09:04:21 PM »
Then the NFL must be full of fitness competitors :-\!!
Its not a sport.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2006, 09:04:58 PM »
Its not a sport.

Hope this helps.

Whats not a sport?

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2006, 09:25:24 PM »
Wondering if this happens to others.  I find that after I do my final "heavy" set of deadlifts I get so nauseous  it ends my workout.  Since I try to do deads early in the workout when freshest I've been having some pretty short back days.  I've tried changing my before meal but havent seen  lot of difference.  Could it be because the abs and core stabilizers get so "locked" up???  Could it be a technique issue?
Any of you guys have this problem...or found a way around it?

Also, do you find a difference in taking the deadlift all the way to the ground or just bringing the bar a couple of inches below the knees?  I find more emphasis on the back versus legs that way...you guys?



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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2006, 09:35:36 PM »
I guess this post should be over on the Training Q&A forum...but, misplaced topics are "apparently the norm" on Getbig, so what the hell!

I don't know what to advise you on the nausea, as the only time I ever experienced something like this was if I tried to do squats or deads too soon after eating a large meal...I would wait at least three hours after eating a heavy meal and the suggestion for popping anti-acids sounds like a good one.

Hey, its great if you can keep your deadlift reps. high throughout your training career, say 10-25, and not give in to the overwhelming temptation to often test yourself with a 1 RM.  In the 5 decades I've been training in gyms all over the U.S., I've seen more lifters injure their themselves doing the DL with the straight bar.  Yes, if you used perfect form on every rep, no problem, but that often is not the case with limit attempts or when you try to squeeze out that very last brutal back-rounding rep (and, the next morning/day with your nagging SORE back you REGRET you did!!).

However, the real beauty of the trap bar is that you can start the DL in absolutely the perfect starting position with the knees well bent, hips low, and back absolutely flat.  However, with a straight bar, depending upon your height and bone lengths/leverages your shins always contact the bar and this limits many trainees from lowering the hips far enough down, or bending the knees sufficently, to reach an ideal starting position (non-sumo style).

The trap bar is the perfect device to use with straps to do full-range deadlifts in as near perfect form as possible, and practically eliminates (or greatly reduces) the dangerous rounding of the back in an effort to clear the knees. You can even stand on plates/boxes/etc. and get the tops of the thighs parallel, or even BELOW parallel, with the floor doing trap bar DL's. Thus, you are combining the benefits of the squat and DL in one tremendous full-range movement/exercise...arguably the best single BB exercise ever, as you are definitely working more muscles than in the back squat.!

Of course, partial DL's in the power rack, starting the bar just above the knees on the pins, is much safer than the full-range straight bar DL and allows you to overload the affected muscles and can be a very effective strength/muscle builder.  However, just like partial squatting in the power rack, it does not work the muscles over their full-range.

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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2006, 09:39:56 PM »
Mr. I, do think rack deads are good for sports?

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2006, 09:44:35 PM »
breathe while doing them

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2006, 09:56:47 PM »
Sounds like a case of vaginaitis, you should feel nauseous and then push through your workout dont quit, quiting is what Queen Tamali would do

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2006, 02:11:39 AM »
I superset Barbell Rows with Deads, and it seems to take all day to get my breath back. I've felt like Im going to faint after deads, but not spew.. hack squats make me spew... I call the all out last set of hacks.. the spew set.

Ive always resumed my workout after a good spew.

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2006, 02:18:57 AM »
I've never felt nausea.

Every time I do my big work set I lose hearing a bit.. maybe see some stars.  I also get blood blisters here and there and burst blood vessels on my face, chest, shoulders and legs (every week)

Never nausea though.

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2006, 08:25:37 AM »
I've never felt nausea.

Every time I do my big work set I lose hearing a bit.. maybe see some stars.  I also get blood blisters here and there and burst blood vessels on my face, chest, shoulders and legs (every week)

Never nausea though.

I've seen the stars too :)  Reminds me of some younger days and not quite so healthy living...at least physically healthy.  I love the DL's primarilly for the super hormone rush at the end!  The brains kicking out the most pure 'get high' sh*t in the universe at that point.  I'll bet thats why some people get 'hooked' on weightlifting or even cardio.   Had it happen to me once after 60 minutes on the ellipticle.  didn't last as long and required at LOT more time to reach then 8-12 reps heavy.
I've actually come to believe that I have "cured" or at least moderated a ton of depression I used to have with bodybuilging.  My wife comments the same...and I assume thats why she backs me and my training/diet so much. Happier husband=happier marriage.  I know that if I go 3 days without hitting the weights I feel like shit...headaches, intolerant...making stupid decisions.

I've come to believe that 90% of disease/pain/sickness can be treated with diet/exercise.  The other 10% requires having a bodypart reattached or removed. :)


Any of you guys have similar experiences?  Using weight training to treat illness?  Head or body?



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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2006, 08:35:22 AM »
i have the same problem. I get nauseous from back and leg workouts.

It helps if i dont eat so close to the wokout. Squats and deadlifts allways makes me nauseous anyway.

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2006, 02:50:03 PM »
What are box squats?

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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2006, 04:44:29 AM »
If you are getting nausea you might not be taking enough pre workout sugar to get you through.  Legs training always threatens any carb deficit and even if you're on fat loss you should be getting some energy in before doing them.


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Re: Deadlifts = Nausea???
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2006, 11:55:48 AM »
i barf every time i do squats. I also started walking lunges with 185lbs. Instant earlege from that