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RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« on: November 04, 2006, 09:41:11 PM »
Alot has been said on these boards since the 06 Olympia.Most have it has been trashing of Ronnie when those same people were kissing his ass a week before the O.I have never been a Ronnie Coleman fan.I think he helped usher in the freak era.Just my opinion.However, he was the definentition of a bodybuilder.He was willing to push the wieght no else wanted to to obtain the size and strength that everyone wanted.I dont condone drug use, but he was also willing to put his body\health on the line to get his hands on that sandow.He was willing to give up any and all social life he may have had to train every day and stay on a strict diet and be in bed on time every night so as not to slip up and risk losing that Sandow.Ronnie raised the bar so high it will be a long time before we see anyone come close to grasping it or getting on stage at 300 lbs. completley ripped and shredded with the conditioning he had.Unfortunatley for Ronnie, he was in the sports entertainment business and he wasnt marketable.

As dedicated and balls to the wall determined as Ronnie is/was, he couldnt even finish a sentence in public, let alone do an interview on Jay Leno.If anyone saw that broadcast, people werent amazed and inspired to obtain a physique like his.They were appauled at the 300 lb mass who was so muscle bound he could barely move.When Sergio Olivia was competing he was the greatest on stage and in the world.However, he had a thick cuban accent, wore mountains of gold jewelry which made him look like a pimp, and had skin dark as hell. No marketability.Then along came Arnold.Many have said Arnold wasnt the best man onstage when he beat Oliva, but Arnold was marketable.If Oliva had starred in Pumping Iron would it have been a success?Hell no.Arnold made it a success with his charisma and personality.Vince MacMahon is the king of the sports entertainment business.If he has a wrestler who has the right look, can perform in the ring and has the best physique ever, but sucks on the mike, stuters through a sentence, and cant get the crowd moving, is he gong to invest money in that wrestler?HELL NO.

Fast forward to Ronnie's era.He was the best man onstage 60 percent of the time, and when Ronnie stepped onstage on point, well, we all know how that went.At the 06 O I'll be the first to admit, he looked like shit.And Jay was more marketable.As much as Ronnie loves bbing, as determined as he is to win, as determined as he is to train his ass off and come in in the best shape ever next year, it will do him no good.Ronnie's 43, has a public speaking problem, isnt acceptable to mainstream media, and has bored the fans with his eight years of the same thing.Not that Jay has the solution to all of Ronnie's faults but he's One Step Closer, as his DVD  procliamed.Ronnie will go down in history as one of the greatest bodybuyilders of all time.But even if he comes back next year and blows everyone out of the water, the powers that be will see to it he doesnt get number 9.He's a great champion if this were a sport, but its not. Its sports entertainment, and Ronnie's not marketable.

(Ronnie, if your reading this, here's your motivation.)

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2006, 09:44:18 PM »
Men oiled up in thongs are Marketable?

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2006, 09:45:43 PM »
Men oiled up in thongs are Marketable?

Absolutely.




















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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2006, 09:46:41 PM »
George Bush can't speak English either and he's president.

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2006, 10:22:35 PM »
I disagree with basically all your analysis.
Ronnie was just as marketable as all the Mr.O. except Arnold. The marketability problem belongs to professional bodybuilding, not to Ronnie Coleman. Do you think that the majority of people know who is Lee Haney? Or Dorian Yates? Or Samir Bannout?
We should stop expecting from bodybuilding something that it's not in its nature. And this just because Arnold became a famous actor and a politician.
I don't see in other sports many well spoken athletes. Michael Jordan was marketable for his basketball skills, not his microphone abilities. And people give a damn about basketball.
However for most people bodybuilding is not attractive. If it was, then maybe some small natural bodybuilders that appear on Muscle and Fitness would be celebrities. They are not.
Bodybuilding is a niche, extreme discipline and it will never be mainstream, no matter who Mr.O is or will be.

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2006, 01:59:36 AM »
I was not refering to the mainstream media or the MTV generation. I was talking about bodybuilding fans.Most bodybuilding fans are kids who dont know about the dark side of the sport yet such as the drugs and alternate lifestyles and such. When a 13 or 15 or even 22 year old male reads about an article in Flex magazine where Ronnie talks about protien synthesis and metabolism rates that they cant even fathom and then here him talk at an Olympia press conference where he cant finish the sentence, it raises a question mark.My post wasnt meant to discredit Ronnie just to pit his extreme dedication to be the best at what he did v.s. his lack of marketablility in the bodybuilding world, not the mass media.I understand full well why bbing will never be exepted in mainteam.I just think that even if Ronnie had come in 110% shape, he would have lost due to the fact that the IFBB wanted to take things in another direction.Romano stated that backstage the overall feeling was the IFBB  was taking a new direction.Jay was that first step.

Im not saying he ddint deserve it, Im just saying that IMO even if Ronnie had shown up in 110% dead on shape, it would have been hard for him to win due to the fact the IFBB wanted to shake things up a bit.Rpnnie was dedicated beyond belief to being the best bodybuildr in the world, he just wasnt marketable to the bodybuilding community.

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2006, 02:00:39 AM »
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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2006, 04:31:42 AM »
I disagree with basically all your analysis.
Ronnie was just as marketable as all the Mr.O. except Arnold. The marketability problem belongs to professional bodybuilding, not to Ronnie Coleman. Do you think that the majority of people know who is Lee Haney? Or Dorian Yates? Or Samir Bannout?
We should stop expecting from bodybuilding something that it's not in its nature. And this just because Arnold became a famous actor and a politician.
I don't see in other sports many well spoken athletes. Michael Jordan was marketable for his basketball skills, not his microphone abilities. And people give a damn about basketball.
However for most people bodybuilding is not attractive. If it was, then maybe some small natural bodybuilders that appear on Muscle and Fitness would be celebrities. They are not.
Bodybuilding is a niche, extreme discipline and it will never be mainstream, no matter who Mr.O is or will be.

yep, couldn't agree more and to be honest those natural that appear on men health and muscle and fitness are even less known that Coleman.


quick test, ask your mom to name another bodybuilder other than Arnold

now ask her to name some basketball players...even if she doesn't like basketball she could probably call out a name or two

jordan, shaq, kobe, bird......
Here comes the money shot

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2006, 05:08:11 AM »
Here we go again, when will you muscle brains learn, body-building is a cult sport/hobbie/art form/mail pagent show and will never be mainstream because the average person knows that no matter how hard they work they will never look like an IFBB pro PERIOD!!!!!!!!! And the steroid cat has been out the bag since the early 90's - so the average person knows that shyt they glance at while in the grocery store magazine rack is all chemically induced!! You can get the prettiet metro-sexual psuedo-homo to become Mr.O and he'll never be mainstream cause Jane the suburban soccer mom doesn't want little Timmy to be sticking pins in his ass!!!!
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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2006, 05:10:58 AM »
It's obvious that most Olympia winners aren't especially marketable. Zane's persona's on par with Cutler's.

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2006, 06:09:57 AM »
I was not refering to the mainstream media or the MTV generation. I was talking about bodybuilding fans.Most bodybuilding fans are kids who dont know about the dark side of the sport yet such as the drugs and alternate lifestyles and such. When a 13 or 15 or even 22 year old male reads about an article in Flex magazine where Ronnie talks about protien synthesis and metabolism rates that they cant even fathom and then here him talk at an Olympia press conference where he cant finish the sentence, it raises a question mark.My post wasnt meant to discredit Ronnie just to pit his extreme dedication to be the best at what he did v.s. his lack of marketablility in the bodybuilding world, not the mass media.I understand full well why bbing will never be exepted in mainteam.I just think that even if Ronnie had come in 110% shape, he would have lost due to the fact that the IFBB wanted to take things in another direction.Romano stated that backstage the overall feeling was the IFBB  was taking a new direction.Jay was that first step.

Im not saying he ddint deserve it, Im just saying that IMO even if Ronnie had shown up in 110% dead on shape, it would have been hard for him to win due to the fact the IFBB wanted to shake things up a bit.Rpnnie was dedicated beyond belief to being the best bodybuildr in the world, he just wasnt marketable to the bodybuilding community.

civello... I see your point but again, the fans will always follow budybuilding no matter who is Mr.O.  We will always be here discussing our ideas about training, nutrition and contests. And i don't see many new fans just because Jay is Mr.O. and is more articulated than Ronnie.
Personally I don't give a shit if Ronnie doesn't explain to me the protein methabolism. Information is out there, and everywhere if I want it.
It's true that maybe the IFBB decided to change to boost interest. However this is because some people in this country get tired and want a new champ every year. The same people will get tired of everyone, not just of Ronnie. Check what happened in the WWE, now they alternate champions every other month, in previous decades you had long reigns of several years.
Personally I care that the best physique on stage wins. Because this is what a bb contest is all about right? 

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2006, 08:45:08 AM »
Love the guy but pics like these dont help Marketing :-\

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2006, 08:48:46 AM »
Love the guy but pics like these dont help Marketing :-\

Thats part & parcel of the mordern ' advancement ' in bodybuilding , watch pumping iron , Franco Cololmbu jumps rope for a few minutes and then hits the heavy bag and he's not breaking a sweat , Ronnie does rasie the roof and is sucking O2 in massive ammounts !! progress my ass !

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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2006, 09:02:21 AM »
Thats part & parcel of the mordern ' advancement ' in bodybuilding , watch pumping iron , Franco Cololmbu jumps rope for a few minutes and then hits the heavy bag and he's not breaking a sweat , Ronnie does rasie the roof and is sucking O2 in massive ammounts !! progress my ass !
Good point, and very true.  :(
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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2006, 09:03:37 AM »
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Love the guy but pics like these dont help Marketing

That pic's been misread many many times without knowing anything about the context. Maybe all the BBs backstage were using this.



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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2006, 09:08:20 AM »
That pic's been misread many many times without knowing anything about the context. Maybe all the BBs backstage were using this.

I'm sure more were using but not all .

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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2006, 09:10:24 AM »
They weren't, I was Backstage when the photo was taken!
Only Flex Wheeler used it. :-\

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2006, 09:12:03 AM »
They weren't, I was Backstage when the photo was taken!
Only Flex Wheeler use it. :-\

pumpy owned  ;)

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2006, 09:19:24 AM »
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They weren't, I was Backstage when the photo was taken!
Only Flex Wheeler use it.

pumpy owned

Monster over-use of owned. Now we know what was happening backstage. The only problem was allowing the pic to be taken.

I'd like to know why those two guys were using and not others..

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2006, 09:27:01 AM »
How do you market freaks who break drug laws every single day to Middle America? Ain't gonna happen.  ???

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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2006, 09:27:59 AM »
Monster over-use of owned. Now we know what was happening backstage. The only problem was allowing the pic to be taken.

I'd like to know why those two guys were using and not others..


No that was a clear cut use of the term owned if there was any , you thinking you alone know whats going on , say " that pic's been misread many many times without knowing anything about the context." he and knew the context and corrected you and put you in your place period !!

owned bitch

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2006, 09:40:58 AM »
I disagree with basically all your analysis.
Ronnie was just as marketable as all the Mr.O. except Arnold. The marketability problem belongs to professional bodybuilding, not to Ronnie Coleman. Do you think that the majority of people know who is Lee Haney? Or Dorian Yates? Or Samir Bannout?
We should stop expecting from bodybuilding something that it's not in its nature. And this just because Arnold became a famous actor and a politician.
I don't see in other sports many well spoken athletes. Michael Jordan was marketable for his basketball skills, not his microphone abilities. And people give a damn about basketball.
However for most people bodybuilding is not attractive. If it was, then maybe some small natural bodybuilders that appear on Muscle and Fitness would be celebrities. They are not.
Bodybuilding is a niche, extreme discipline and it will never be mainstream, no matter who Mr.O is or will be.

I AGREE
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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2006, 09:42:25 AM »
Only thing in common is "The Chad" :-\

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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2006, 09:47:27 AM »
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No that was a clear cut use of the term owned if there was any , you thinking you alone know whats going on , say " that pic's been misread many many times without knowing anything about the context." he and knew the context and corrected you and put you in your place period !!

owned bitch

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2006, 09:56:00 AM »
Love the guy but pics like these dont help Marketing :-\

Come on Shawn, you professional bodybuilders take much more than simple oxygen. Maybe it doesn't appear in pictures but people know. Do you really want to make a case for Flex and Ronnie being too depleted and short of breath? Everybody knows that professional bb is not the most healthy activity, with or without that picture.