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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2006, 09:58:26 AM »
if anyone thinks that Jay is one step closer then ronnie to anythinoxg theyre retarded... especially marketability.... the guys got as much personality as a cardboard box, plus he's from MA... and nobody cept jay nuthuggers wanna be or look like jay... the guys more like 6000 steps backwards

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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2006, 10:02:05 AM »
They weren't, I was Backstage when the photo was taken!
Only Flex Wheeler used it. :-\
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« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2006, 10:04:09 AM »
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Thats part & parcel of the mordern ' advancement ' in bodybuilding , watch pumping iron , Franco Cololmbu jumps rope for a few minutes and then hits the heavy bag and he's not breaking a sweat , Ronnie does rasie the roof and is sucking O2 in massive ammounts !! progress my ass !
Standard, very predictable Iron Age dogma, talking out of his ass again. He actually has no idea from a couple of scenes whether one guy was in better shape.

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2006, 10:29:33 AM »
Most have you have failed to read my second post that explained I wasnt talking about mainstream marketaility, but maketability to the bodybuilding community.Aside from Tiger Ive heard very little intelegence contained in the reponses.Shawn your's contained none as that pic had nothing to do with the topic.Most people are filing out of their seats by the time Jay was announced in 2nd place and to their cars by the time Ronnie had finished his acceptance speach.Not only was Ronnie constantly wining boring the fans, but so was Ronnie.But all Ronnie was doing was winning at what he was good at.How many cheers did you hear when they anounced Jay in first place?Alot more.And there were still asses in those seats when Jay took the sandow.
As I said before, I think Jay is one step closer to puting more bodybuilding fans in seats at shows.A four year run with Jay would decrease his value tremendously.Truth be told Jay will not last.Victor or Phil Heath will replace him shortly if the IFBB knows whats good for them.They are young and could do more for the bbing as MR. O.My main point was that Ronnie's lack of marketability to the bodybuilding community was one of the main lynchpins that spelled the end of King Ronnie.Ronnie thought he was competeing in a sport when in fact it was sports entertaiment.

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« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2006, 10:32:06 AM »
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Shawn your's contained none as that pic had nothing to do with the topic.
What was that pic there for other than to be annoying while pandering to Iron Age clones with pavlovian reponses?

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« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2006, 10:35:34 AM »
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My main point was that Ronnie's lack of marketability to the bodybuilding community was one of the main lynchpins that spelled the end of King Ronnie.Ronnie thought he was competeing in a sport when in fact it was sports entertaiment.
Part of your long-winded dissertation. Some of it was hard to read: "A four year run with Jay would decrease his value tremendously" without a concise explanation's basically talking in riddles.

What's already said that you didn't pick up on is that the other guys near the top now aren't much different. I'm not talking about your guess as to what might happen, i'm talking about how they come across now.

Visually it might help marginally to have Jay around, but he'd be limited by having to keep his mouth shut.

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« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2006, 11:39:00 AM »
Love the guy but pics like these dont help Marketing :-\

UMM YEAH RIGHT!!! MARKETING OF BODYBUILDING...BY WHO? AND WHERE?

ALMOST NO ONE ELSE BUT YOU KNOWS ABOUT THIS BACKSTAGE PIC....SO PLEASE STOP POSTING IT AND CLAIMING IT IS AFFECTING BODYBUILDING. I WOULD THINK THE DEATH OF VARIOUS BODYBUILDERS AT YOUNG AGES WOULD HAVE BEEN A DEATH BLOW TO THE SPORT BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN. 

AND FOR THE RECORD...

DID ARNOLD'S SMOKING OF WEED AT THE END OF THE PUMPING IRON VIDEO STOP THE MARKETING OF HIM?
HOW ABOUT BOB PARIS BEING A FAG?...DID IT STOP BODYBUILDING? OR TURN AWAY FANS?
IN GENERAL...IS ROBERT DOWNY SEVERE DRUG PROBLEM STOPPING HIM? STOPPING OTHER ACTORS CAREERS? STOPPING THE MOVIE INDUSTRY?
HOW ABOUT DANNY BONADUCHE? WILL TV KICK HIM OOFF BECAUSE HE IS A JUNKIE?
DID AND IS DREW BARRYMORES DRUG PROBLEM STOPPING HER?

SADLY RACE PLAYS AND CRIPPLING ROLE IN SPORTS...LEE HANEY WON 8 MR OLYMPIAS..IS OR WAS HE BEING MARKETED ANYWHERE IN THE SPORT? LET ALONE MAINSTREAM!
RONNIE COLEMAN ANOTHER 8 OLYMPIAS...ANY MOVIE ROLES? COMMERCIALS? SPOKES PERSON FOR FITNESS? ANYTHING?...
LENDA MURRAY WON 6 MS OLYMPIAS...WAS THERE ANY MARKETING FOR HER ANYWHERE? MOVIE ROLES? FASHION MAGAZINES OR MAKE UP CONTRACTS? SHE WAS AND IS VERY ATTRACTIVE. CORY EVERSON RECEIVED TONS OF MARKETING AND PUBLICITY AND SHE DIDN'T WIN AS MANY MS OLYMPIAS.
HOW ABOUT THE OUTSPOKEN PEOPLE LIKE SHAWN RAY?...ANY MARKETING THERE? ONE OF THE BEST BODYBUILDERS EVER...ANY PRODUCTS WITH HIS NAME ON THEM? PICS IN EVERY MAGAZINE?...NOTHING
HOW ABOUT SERGIO? VINCE TAYLOR? FLEX WHEELER? RON LOVE (FIRST 300 POUND BODYBUILDER) ANY PUBLICATIONS? ETC ETC ETC... PROBLEM IS THE REALITY OF THE SPORT (LIKE SO MANY OTHER THINGS) AND THOSE WHO RUN IT IS CONSTANTLY BEING IGNORED. ARNOLD TO ME WAS NOTHING, HAD AND HAS NOTHING SPECTACULAR ABOUT HIMSELF TO PROMOTE (THAT IS UNLESS I BEGIN TO EXPOSE HIS NAZI FAMILY LINES...MAYBE THAT'S WHY HE IS GETTING SO MUCH PLAY? HMMMMM...).

THE SPORT IS A SUBCULTURE THAT IS THE BACKBONE OF ALL OTHER SPORTS. SADLY MOST OF THE PROBLEMS WITHIN THE SPORT COMES FROM THE "FANS" THEMSELVES WHO BITTERLY COMPLAIN IRONICALLY ABOUT DRUGS (NAME ONE SPORT THAT DOESN'T USE THEM), OR COMPLAIN ABOUT A CHAMP BEING THE CHAMP TO LONG, OR FABRICATE RUMORS AND LIES CONTINUOUSLY...HONESTLY BODYBUILDING WILL NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT OUTSIDE INFLUENCES DESTROYING IT...THERE ARE ENOUGH INSIDERS TO TAKE IT DOWN WITHOUT A PROBLEM....

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« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2006, 11:50:50 AM »
Part of your long-winded dissertation. Some of it was hard to read: "A four year run with Jay would decrease his value tremendously" without a concise explanation's basically talking in riddles.

What's already said that you didn't pick up on is that the other guys near the top now aren't much different. I'm not talking about your guess as to what might happen, i'm talking about how they come across now.

Visually it might help marginally to have Jay around, but he'd be limited by having to keep his mouth shut.
Good point and I apologize if my writing was hard to read.What I meant was Jay is great as Mr. O right now.As I said before, there were alot more people in those seats ready to see Jay except the Sandow in 06 then there were to see Ronnie except it in 05 or 04.When we have someone on top for so long, i.e. Dorian, Haney, and Ronnie, the competition besomes less intersting.You made a good point when pointing out Jay would have to keep his mouth shut.This is unnacceptable.As mr. O he should be able to talk to the bbing press the way Arnold did.There are alot of things missing from the Mr. O's of recent years but thats another thread.It is my belief Jay will be replaced soon.Mabye not in 07 but probably in 08.Victor may be a possible replacement and then later Phil Heath.They need to find a championship calibur physique that is combined with a magnetic stage presence to keep bbing fans on their toes.

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« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2006, 11:51:53 AM »
Hope to hear back from you pumpster.You and Tiger seem to have the best viewpoints so far.

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2006, 11:54:44 AM »
UMM YEAH RIGHT!!! MARKETING OF BODYBUILDING...BY WHO? AND WHERE?

ALMOST NO ONE ELSE BUT YOU KNOWS ABOUT THIS BACKSTAGE PIC....SO PLEASE STOP POSTING IT AND CLAIMING IT IS AFFECTING BODYBUILDING. I WOULD THINK THE DEATH OF VARIOUS BODYBUILDERS AT YOUNG AGES WOULD HAVE BEEN A DEATH BLOW TO THE SPORT BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN. 

AND FOR THE RECORD...

DID ARNOLD'S SMOKING OF WEED AT THE END OF THE PUMPING IRON VIDEO STOP THE MARKETING OF HIM?
HOW ABOUT BOB PARIS BEING A FAG?...DID IT STOP BODYBUILDING? OR TURN AWAY FANS?
IN GENERAL...IS ROBERT DOWNY SEVERE DRUG PROBLEM STOPPING HIM? STOPPING OTHER ACTORS CAREERS? STOPPING THE MOVIE INDUSTRY?
HOW ABOUT DANNY BONADUCHE? WILL TV KICK HIM OOFF BECAUSE HE IS A JUNKIE?
DID AND IS DREW BARRYMORES DRUG PROBLEM STOPPING HER?

SADLY RACE PLAYS AND CRIPPLING ROLE IN SPORTS...LEE HANEY WON 8 MR OLYMPIAS..IS OR WAS HE BEING MARKETED ANYWHERE IN THE SPORT? LET ALONE MAINSTREAM!
RONNIE COLEMAN ANOTHER 8 OLYMPIAS...ANY MOVIE ROLES? COMMERCIALS? SPOKES PERSON FOR FITNESS? ANYTHING?...
LENDA MURRAY WON 6 MS OLYMPIAS...WAS THERE ANY MARKETING FOR HER ANYWHERE? MOVIE ROLES? FASHION MAGAZINES OR MAKE UP CONTRACTS? SHE WAS AND IS VERY ATTRACTIVE. CORY EVERSON RECEIVED TONS OF MARKETING AND PUBLICITY AND SHE DIDN'T WIN AS MANY MS OLYMPIAS.
HOW ABOUT THE OUTSPOKEN PEOPLE LIKE SHAWN RAY?...ANY MARKETING THERE? ONE OF THE BEST BODYBUILDERS EVER...ANY PRODUCTS WITH HIS NAME ON THEM? PICS IN EVERY MAGAZINE?...NOTHING
HOW ABOUT SERGIO? VINCE TAYLOR? FLEX WHEELER? RON LOVE (FIRST 300 POUND BODYBUILDER) ANY PUBLICATIONS? ETC ETC ETC... PROBLEM IS THE REALITY OF THE SPORT (LIKE SO MANY OTHER THINGS) AND THOSE WHO RUN IT IS CONSTANTLY BEING IGNORED. ARNOLD TO ME WAS NOTHING, HAD AND HAS NOTHING SPECTACULAR ABOUT HIMSELF TO PROMOTE (THAT IS UNLESS I BEGIN TO EXPOSE HIS NAZI FAMILY LINES...MAYBE THAT'S WHY HE IS GETTING SO MUCH PLAY? HMMMMM...).

THE SPORT IS A SUBCULTURE THAT IS THE BACKBONE OF ALL OTHER SPORTS. SADLY MOST OF THE PROBLEMS WITHIN THE SPORT COMES FROM THE "FANS" THEMSELVES WHO BITTERLY COMPLAIN IRONICALLY ABOUT DRUGS (NAME ONE SPORT THAT DOESN'T USE THEM), OR COMPLAIN ABOUT A CHAMP BEING THE CHAMP TO LONG, OR FABRICATE RUMORS AND LIES CONTINUOUSLY...HONESTLY BODYBUILDING WILL NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT OUTSIDE INFLUENCES DESTROYING IT...THERE ARE ENOUGH INSIDERS TO TAKE IT DOWN WITHOUT A PROBLEM....


Once again, I was talking about the marketability of Ronnie Coleman to the bbing community, not mainstream media.Ignore Shawn, he is a child who used to be a champion.I indeffenently disagree with your point of views on Arnold.

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2006, 12:04:21 PM »
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When we have someone on top for so long, i.e. Dorian, Haney, and Ronnie, the competition besomes less intersting.You made a good point when pointing out Jay would have to keep his mouth shut.
Yes, the competition becomes less interesting with multiple winners, just like the Yankees winning every year. This is one of the only flaws in the Weider approach, otherwise it's been masterful marketing. Dating back to the 1970s the contest would've been more interesting and more believable had the true winner been allowed to win.

Instead you had an exodus of the top guys in the early 80s-Robinson, Padilla, Szkalak, Mentzer, Fox-that made the show less interesting when rivalries between these guys would've been great to see develop.

Instead you had guys like Columbu winning-he's the Cutler of that era-good filler until someone good comes along.

Haney & Yates didn't deserve 14 Sandows.

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« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2006, 12:40:08 PM »
I agree on Yates.I havent seen many of Haney's O videos so I cant comment.

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« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2006, 12:42:09 PM »
George Bush can't speak English either and he's president.
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« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2006, 02:04:37 PM »
Yes, the competition becomes less interesting with multiple winners, just like the Yankees winning every year. This is one of the only flaws in the Weider approach, otherwise it's been masterful marketing. Dating back to the 1970s the contest would've been more interesting and more believable had the true winner been allowed to win.

Instead you had an exodus of the top guys in the early 80s-Robinson, Padilla, Szkalak, Mentzer, Fox-that made the show less interesting when rivalries between these guys would've been great to see develop.

Instead you had guys like Columbu winning-he's the Cutler of that era-good filler until someone good comes along.

Haney & Yates didn't deserve 14 Sandows.

And NO WAY in hell Ronnie deserved 8

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« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2006, 03:05:34 PM »
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And NO WAY in hell Ronnie deserved 8
Why would anyone start and obsess on Coleman with far less worthy examples like Columbu, Dickerson, and Zane Yates & Haney in some cases?  ???

Coleman's margin of dominance most but not all years was akin to Oliva's or Schwarzenegger's.

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« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2006, 03:57:07 PM »
There were some years where Coleman came in off and should not have one, however for the most part, Coleman introduced a physique into bodybuilding that will not be duplicated for a very long time.He has raised the bar beyond the grasp of at least the next generation and possibly the next after that.While I dont like Coleman's physique or that type of physique, I cannot deny the sheer amazement and credit due to King Ron.

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« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2006, 04:02:44 PM »
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« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2006, 04:04:39 PM »
Why would anyone start and obsess on Coleman with far less worthy examples like Columbu, Dickerson, and Zane Yates & Haney in some cases?  ???

Coleman's margin of dominance most but not all years was akin to Oliva's or Schwarzenegger's.

far less worthy? Hell even at his best he only managed to beat Flex by 3 points , 2001/2002/2004 were all contests he could have just as easily lost and in 2000 Levrone said he should have won just based on Ronnie looking pregnant !! you have some base to say Franco , Arnold , Yates and Haney all could have lost but to exclude Ronnie from that list reaks of blatant bias and hypocrisy , oh wait I'm dealing with pumpster...carry on !!

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« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2006, 04:12:15 PM »
Alot has been said on these boards since the 06 Olympia.Most have it has been trashing of Ronnie when those same people were kissing his ass a week before the O.I have never been a Ronnie Coleman fan.I think he helped usher in the freak era.Just my opinion.However, he was the definentition of a bodybuilder.He was willing to push the wieght no else wanted to to obtain the size and strength that everyone wanted.I dont condone drug use, but he was also willing to put his body\health on the line to get his hands on that sandow.He was willing to give up any and all social life he may have had to train every day and stay on a strict diet and be in bed on time every night so as not to slip up and risk losing that Sandow.Ronnie raised the bar so high it will be a long time before we see anyone come close to grasping it or getting on stage at 300 lbs. completley ripped and shredded with the conditioning he had.Unfortunatley for Ronnie, he was in the sports entertainment business and he wasnt marketable.

As dedicated and balls to the wall determined as Ronnie is/was, he couldnt even finish a sentence in public, let alone do an interview on Jay Leno.If anyone saw that broadcast, people werent amazed and inspired to obtain a physique like his.They were appauled at the 300 lb mass who was so muscle bound he could barely move.When Sergio Olivia was competing he was the greatest on stage and in the world.However, he had a thick cuban accent, wore mountains of gold jewelry which made him look like a pimp, and had skin dark as hell. No marketability.Then along came Arnold.Many have said Arnold wasnt the best man onstage when he beat Oliva, but Arnold was marketable.If Oliva had starred in Pumping Iron would it have been a success?Hell no.Arnold made it a success with his charisma and personality.Vince MacMahon is the king of the sports entertainment business.If he has a wrestler who has the right look, can perform in the ring and has the best physique ever, but sucks on the mike, stuters through a sentence, and cant get the crowd moving, is he gong to invest money in that wrestler?HELL NO.

Fast forward to Ronnie's era.He was the best man onstage 60 percent of the time, and when Ronnie stepped onstage on point, well, we all know how that went.At the 06 O I'll be the first to admit, he looked like shit.And Jay was more marketable.As much as Ronnie loves bbing, as determined as he is to win, as determined as he is to train his ass off and come in in the best shape ever next year, it will do him no good.Ronnie's 43, has a public speaking problem, isnt acceptable to mainstream media, and has bored the fans with his eight years of the same thing.Not that Jay has the solution to all of Ronnie's faults but he's One Step Closer, as his DVD  procliamed.Ronnie will go down in history as one of the greatest bodybuyilders of all time.But even if he comes back next year and blows everyone out of the water, the powers that be will see to it he doesnt get number 9.He's a great champion if this were a sport, but its not. Its sports entertainment, and Ronnie's not marketable.

(Ronnie, if your reading this, here's your motivation.)
well written post with very valid points.
however... bodybuilding will NEVER be marketable. period.
even with the help of a face called arnold s., who wasn't PURPOSELY trying to make it marketable. it still isn't and will never be.
ever been to the gym on a crowded day, with plenty of reg/fit physiques, as well as a good amount of the more serious, as well as hardcore? then you're out for the evening, or at the mall, or wherever, and how many guys/girls do you see that make you say to yourself,"they look like they train pretty hard?"
i've said it 2x in 30 years, and i've trained in L.A. for many years, new york, new jersey, canada, etc... you rarely see that, you know why? because people, for the most part, are to lazy to be committed to real training.
i don't mean gassed up drug freaks, just good shape, muscular defined people.
i am not counting of course, contests, bb seminars, mma events, etc..  just regular places where regular people go and lead their ordinary  (non) hardcore lives.
so it doesn't matter who the face is, who the "ambassador" (f*ckin' hilarious terminology) for the "sport"(freak show) is.
it's a cult freak following and that's that.
do you see even attractive fitness girls doing revlon, maybelene ads, etc? no. because even with their beauty and level of fitness, they threaten the average couch potato andy frank hot fry eating pigs- which make up the majority of the country(world).
seeing those that are committed, serious, and dedicated only makes them feel guilty and even more depressed...as they reach for another beer, slice of pizza, or institutional sized pack of fish sticks.

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2006, 07:52:18 PM »
well written post with very valid points.
however... bodybuilding will NEVER be marketable. period.
even with the help of a face called arnold s., who wasn't PURPOSELY trying to make it marketable. it still isn't and will never be.
ever been to the gym on a crowded day, with plenty of reg/fit physiques, as well as a good amount of the more serious, as well as hardcore? then you're out for the evening, or at the mall, or wherever, and how many guys/girls do you see that make you say to yourself,"they look like they train pretty hard?"
i've said it 2x in 30 years, and i've trained in L.A. for many years, new york, new jersey, canada, etc... you rarely see that, you know why? because people, for the most part, are to lazy to be committed to real training.
i don't mean gassed up drug freaks, just good shape, muscular defined people.
i am not counting of course, contests, bb seminars, mma events, etc..  just regular places where regular people go and lead their ordinary  (non) hardcore lives.
so it doesn't matter who the face is, who the "ambassador" (f*ckin' hilarious terminology) for the "sport"(freak show) is.
it's a cult freak following and that's that.
do you see even attractive fitness girls doing revlon, maybelene ads, etc? no. because even with their beauty and level of fitness, they threaten the average couch potato andy frank hot fry eating pigs- which make up the majority of the country(world).
seeing those that are committed, serious, and dedicated only makes them feel guilty and even more depressed...as they reach for another beer, slice of pizza, or institutional sized pack of fish sticks.
Once again, I was refering to the marketbaility of Ronnie Coleman to the bbing crowd, not to the mainstream crowd.Arnold, in contrast, just wanted to get his name out there.One getbig.com member comented on how Arnold's smomking pot at the end of Pumping Iron had negatively effected his career.The answer is no.He was, in my Opinion, trying to get himself out into the mainstream media, out of the  bodybulding media, as best he could.He would have done whatever he could to expose himself to the mainstream media.Smoking pot, in the 70's, was shocking.People thought that was an alternate lifestyle, as was bodybuilding.Obviously he backtracked from that later on when he obtained a movie career with Conan and later the Terminator series.He had obtained the notoriousity from Pumping Iron he needed to break into mainstream media, therefore he didnt need the heat brought on from smoking pot and bbing that came with breaking into mainstream media.

However, this is off the subject.The main point of this post was to point out the fact that Ronnie Coleman's demise was mainly based on the fact that his dedication to bodybuilding and winning at what he was good at, outwieghed the fact that he was unmarketable to the bbing community,Tiger and Pumpster seem to be the only ones coming up with intelligent answers.Lets here some more from the getbig.com cummunity.

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #45 on: November 05, 2006, 08:32:37 PM »
There were some years where Coleman came in off and should not have one, however for the most part, Coleman introduced a physique into bodybuilding that will not be duplicated for a very long time.He has raised the bar beyond the grasp of at least the next generation and possibly the next after that.While I dont like Coleman's physique or that type of physique, I cannot deny the sheer amazement and credit due to King Ron.

this i agree with

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« Reply #46 on: November 05, 2006, 08:54:43 PM »
this i agree with
Then we agree.Coleman was a hell of a champion.He just didnt fit into the sports entertainment industry.

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« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2006, 01:19:38 AM »
Then we agree.Coleman was a hell of a champion.He just didnt fit into the sports entertainment industry.
what do you think he should do to fit into the bb community?  c'mon? i actually don't even understand this premise.

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2006, 04:21:12 AM »
Most people are filing out of their seats by the time Jay was announced in 2nd place and to their cars by the time Ronnie had finished his acceptance speach.Not only was Ronnie constantly wining boring the fans, but so was Ronnie.But all Ronnie was doing was winning at what he was good at.How many cheers did you hear when they anounced Jay in first place?Alot more.And there were still asses in those seats when Jay took the sandow.

Where I was sitting I saw a lot of people get up and leave the second Jay was announced the winner and people continued to leave during his acceptance speech.

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Re: RONNIE COLEMAN-GREAT CHAMPION, JUST NOT MARKETABLE
« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2006, 08:06:11 AM »
Ronnie's next DVD should be titled" I just got my ass handed to me by the Weiders"  lol...
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