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Black firefighter settles suit over racial prank
« on: November 09, 2006, 08:11:39 AM »
Black firefighter settles suit over racial prank
A black firefighter who was served dog food in his dinner by fellow firefighters at the Westchester station will receive $2.7 million.
By Sandy Banks, Times staff writer

November 9, 2006

A black firefighter who was served dog food in his spaghetti by fellow firefighters will be paid more than $2.7 million to settle a lawsuit alleging racial harassment within the Los Angeles Fire Department.

The award, approved on an 11-1 vote Wednesday by the Los Angeles City Council, is the latest in a recent string of settlements of lawsuits by firefighters claiming discrimination and harassment and retaliation against those who complain.

It is believed to be the largest payout for misconduct in the department's history, which was long considered among the nation's finest, but has often been the target of complaints about hostility toward African American and female firefighters.

Firefighter Tennie Pierce, 51, alleged in his lawsuit that Firefighter Jorge Arevalo mixed canned dog food into Pierce's dinner at their Westchester station two years ago; that Capt. John Tohill purchased the dog food; and that Capt. Chris Burton knew about the prank but didn't warn Pierce. All three men were present when Pierce ate the dog food.

Pierce "took a large bite, at which time he noticed the other firefighters were laughing and making noises," the lawsuit says. He took a second bite, then demanded to know what was in his food, "but no one would tell him." Pierce then left the kitchen "with his co-workers laughing at him."

A Fire Department investigation suggested the incident was intended to "humble" Pierce — who stands 6 feet 5 — after his team won a fire station volleyball game. A lawyer for one of the defendants initially called the incident "a good-natured prank … [not] in any way motivated by race."

But a UC Santa Cruz professor who was hired by Pierce's attorney to review department records of discrimination complaints said the prank was clearly intended to "humiliate and dehumanize" Pierce.

"The association of a black man and dog food resonates with the deep historical roots of slavery and the corresponding dehumanization," said sociologist David Wellman, co-author of "Whitewashing Race: Colorblind Policies in a Color Conscious America."

"It's not just silly stuff. It's racially motivated…. The organization labels it as macho, 'boys will be boys' behavior. I think it's more about keeping blacks out by making their lives so miserable that they don't want to stay."

In addition to the three firefighters, the lawsuit named the city as a defendant because the fire captains allegedly allowed a hostile workplace to exist in violation of department policies forbidding harassment. The two captains were given one month off without pay as punishment. Arevalo was ordered off work for three days without pay. As part of the settlement, they were dismissed from the lawsuit, so they are not liable financially.

Fire Chief William Bamattre admitted the incident was "intolerable" and violates department "guidelines on what's professional performance.... That type of harassment or prank or whatever you call it is not consistent with what the public expects from the Fire Department, the confidence the public has in us."

But Councilman Dennis Zine, a police officer for 38 years and the lone vote against the settlement, said he thought the $2.7-million award was "outrageous for something that caused no serious injury, no permanent harm…. "

"That's not to say it was right, not to justify what they did. But $2.7 million?…. I don't think it was a racial deal. It was a prank that turned sour, but did it go bad to the point that he's harmed for life? That it should cost the taxpayers $2.7 million?"

In his lawsuit, Pierce said that for more than a year after the October 2004 incident he was subjected to "verbal slurs, insults [and] derogatory remarks" — including taunting by firefighters "barking like dogs [and] asking him how dog food tasted" — in the presence of supervisors.

In addition to the payout, the settlement provides for Pierce to remain on fully-paid administrative leave until April, when he reaches his 20-year service anniversary. Then he can retire with an annual pension amounting to half of his salary for life.

Pierce was out of town and could not be reached for comment Wednesday. But his attorney, Genie Harrison, said the incident — and the unwillingness of other firefighters at the table to intervene — was a "shocking betrayal" for Pierce, who grew up in South Los Angeles . . .


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dogfood9nov09,0,3717174.story?track=mostviewed-homepage

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Re: Black firefighter settles suit over racial prank
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2006, 08:15:13 AM »
Nearly $3,000,000 for eating two bites of spaghetti with dog food in it?

Where do I sign up? I'll eat the whole can of dog food for nearly $3,000,000.

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Re: Black firefighter settles suit over racial prank
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2006, 08:20:38 AM »
For 2.7 million I'd eat the Dog food minus the spaghetti.  Seriously though....Good
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Re: Black firefighter settles suit over racial prank
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2006, 08:24:40 AM »
How was this in any way racial? It was just a stupid prank. This sort of shit happens all the time anywhere you get men working together. Especially in something like the fire service, where men spend a long time with each oither, living together almost


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Re: Black firefighter settles suit over racial prank
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2006, 08:28:30 AM »
What a load of crap.   >:(

This kind of lawsuit is ruining America, making all levels of society change the way we live, afraid to do anything that might possibly "offend" anyone.  >:(


This quote is exactly on point:

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But Councilman Dennis Zine, a police officer for 38 years and the lone vote against the settlement, said he thought the $2.7-million award was "outrageous for something that caused no serious injury, no permanent harm…. "

"That's not to say it was right, not to justify what they did. But $2.7 million?…. I don't think it was a racial deal. It was a prank that turned sour, but did it go bad to the point that he's harmed for life? That it should cost the taxpayers $2.7 million?"
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Re: Black firefighter settles suit over racial prank
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2006, 08:29:30 AM »
if it was racially motivated wouldnt they have fed him water melon, collard greens or a bananna ;D

personally i think the suit is great cause fireman tend to be an old boys clubs just like cops >:(

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Re: Black firefighter settles suit over racial prank
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2006, 09:32:35 AM »
How was this racially motivated? 

I would have paid the guy some money, but not 2.7 mil.  No way. 

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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2006, 11:47:51 AM »
unless theres more to the story...this is not racial. stupid yes...racial no.

if they would have done it to a white guy do you think he would have gotten 2.7 million  >:(
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Re: Black firefighter settles suit over racial prank
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2006, 01:44:55 PM »
if it was racially motivated wouldnt they have fed him water melon, collard greens or a bananna ;D

You left out the fried chicken man, c'mon  ;) Mmmmmmm!

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Re: Black firefighter settles suit over racial prank
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2006, 01:48:12 PM »
fu***ng bull s**t, everyt department plays pranks and jokes its how u boost moral and become friends, god i cant stand reverse racism, its shit like this that makes me think twice about people of color and i hate it. i hope this guys house catches on fire and they show up a lil late u know what i mean

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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2006, 01:53:14 PM »
You left out the fried chicken man, c'mon  ;) Mmmmmmm!

YUMMY!!!!!



Damn that chicken looks good.
BTW if it were a black man in on the joke would it be called racist?

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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2006, 02:04:11 PM »
Damn that chicken looks good.
BTW if it were a black man in on the joke would it be called racist?


Hell I'm still trying to find out how he put the "spin" on this one.  ??? ???

We used to play WAAAAAY worse pranks in the military than this. This was nothing here.
 

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Re: Black firefighter settles suit over racial prank
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2006, 02:48:52 PM »
Now if they gave him a banana, fried chicken or watermelon with his meal then maybe racism but this guy needs to fucking lighten up.  Geez.

hell even then I would have put a bib on and devoured that sh*t and told em thanks...tell em they need to do this for a brother more often. thanks guys!  ;D ;D


I agree, the guy obviously had zero sense of humor man. I"m just not seeing how this was even close to a racist prank at all.

I could see if they all had on KKK outfits standing in front of the table with a bucket of KFC, watermelon and Kool-aid.

EVEN THEN I WOULD HAVE STILL ATE THAT SH*T!!!!    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D said: Nice one fellaz!!! Ha, ha!!! Real funny!  ;D

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Re: Black firefighter settles suit over racial prank
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2006, 02:49:03 PM »
1. Some poor people eat dog food regularly.

2. I'd eat dog shit in spaghetti for a week for $2.7M.   That's some seriously nice retirement money.

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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2006, 03:26:00 PM »
1. Some poor people eat dog food regularly.

2. I'd eat dog shit in spaghetti for a week for $2.7M.   That's some seriously nice retirement money.

dont forget the pension hes still gonna get
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Re: Black firefighter settles suit over racial prank
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2006, 03:28:54 PM »
dont forget the pension hes still gonna get

He earned that for 20 yrs of service. It should have no bearing on whatever award he receives from the suit.
$2.7 Million is a nice chunk of change. I think there might be a bit more to the lawsuit than is reported, and a history of targetting for harrassment after filing complaints might have had a lot to do with the settlement. I'm sure he's smiling tonight tho.
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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2006, 04:45:26 PM »
Good for Mr. Pierce.  Those ass holes serving him dog food like it's funny.

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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2006, 05:24:37 PM »
Yea because white guys never pull pranks on each other.  ::).  Honestly, women and minorities are more sensitive to this shit and can get away with reporting it as discrimination.  Maybe those groups should grow a thicker skin and realize that guys f**k around with each other.  Deal with it or don't go into a profession where people do that shit.  You mean to tell me that he never pranked a probbie when he got off probation?  Please... ::)

yeah right, had it been 20 black guys and one white guy, i'm sure you would have been singing a different tune.

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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2006, 05:46:13 PM »
Here is where the problem lies and why he got all that money. One Captain purchased the food and another knew of the prank ahead of time. If fellow firefighters and not officers were the only ones responsible there would not have been a 2.7 million dollar payout. Think on this- the man was a 20 year veteran. You do this shit to rookies, not veterans. Especially a guy approaching retirement. He deserves to be pissed off. It was a classless act.
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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2006, 05:56:52 PM »
Yea because white guys never pull pranks on each other.  ::).  Honestly, women and minorities are more sensitive to this shit and can get away with reporting it as discrimination.  Maybe those groups should grow a thicker skin

You're right.  Women and minorities should toughen up.... they've had it so easy over the years.  ::)

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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2006, 06:22:02 PM »
I don't know all the facts or the history, but I don't see a race issue here.  But I do think what they did is outrageous.  I'm not litigious, but I'm be inclined to ask for compensation if I ate dog food.  That kind of prank is arguably funny in college, but not in the professional ranks. 

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Re: Black firefighter settles suit over racial prank
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2006, 08:03:25 PM »
hell even then I would have put a bib on and devoured that sh*t and told em thanks...tell em they need to do this for a brother more often. thanks guys!  ;D ;D


I agree, the guy obviously had zero sense of humor man. I"m just not seeing how this was even close to a racist prank at all.

I could see if they all had on KKK outfits standing in front of the table with a bucket of KFC, watermelon and Kool-aid.

EVEN THEN I WOULD HAVE STILL ATE THAT SH*T!!!!    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D said: Nice one fellaz!!! Ha, ha!!! Real funny!  ;D



o the guy has a sence of humor...


just his sence of $ overpowers the humor
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Re: Black firefighter settles suit over racial prank
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2006, 05:05:33 AM »
Firefighter settlement sharply splits council
By Steve Hymon and Jim Newton
Times Staff Writers

November 29, 2006

A torturous debate left the Los Angeles City Council sharply divided by race Tuesday as members weighed whether to restore a settlement offered to a black firefighter whose dinner had been laced with dog food.

For the first time, the council heard directly from Tennie Pierce, the target of the incident, who had filed a discrimination case against the city.

At their lawyer's recommendation, council members initially voted to pay $2.7 million to keep it from going to trial. But last week — amid a storm of public reaction — Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa vetoed the action, setting the stage for Tuesday's council session.

"Whatever anyone says about me, I've always tried to do what's right," said Pierce, holding back tears as his wife sat nearby. "This is wrong. If four black firemen did it to a white fireman, I would stand up [with] the white fireman and say it was wrong."

With a decision expected today, all three black members — Bernard C. Parks, Jan Perry and Herb Wesson — said they would vote to override the veto because the white firefighters who doctored Pierce's spaghetti committed an act that could be viewed as racist and because the city could lose more money in court.

But other members said they had come to view it as a firehouse prank, especially after photos surfaced showing Pierce taking part in hazing rituals banned by a Fire Department that has repeatedly been accused in audits and other lawsuits of subjecting blacks to hostile conditions.

The Times obtained portions of a July deposition late Tuesday, in which Pierce denied under oath having joined in the shaving of a fellow firefighter's groin:

"Were you ever present when a firefighter was shaved?" an assistant city attorney asked.

"No," said Pierce.

"You've never done that?"

"I've never done it."

"And if anybody said you did, they would be lying?" the attorney continued.

"They are lying," Pierce said.

Yet Pierce appears in a photo of just such an incident, and he admitted Tuesday that he had participated in hazing out of a sense of camaraderie.

"Yes, we do have what you call hazing, we do have what you call pranks, but there's a certain level you have to go to, and a certain level that has to be stopped," Pierce said.

"I was involved in those pictures, I don't deny it, but so were many others," he said. "But those pictures were done in love to guys who were promoted, to guys who had a long stint with the Fire Department."

Genie Harrison, Pierce's lawyer, said the firefighter in the photo has a signed declaration that says it was a hoax.

"The person who is the alleged victim of the shaving is saying that they did not actually shave him, they staged it and they took the photos and these things are shown at retirement parties," Harrison said.

With 12 of 15 members present, the council agreed to delay a final decision until the absent Wendy Greuel, Ed Reyes and Alex Padilla rejoin them today. When the group reconvenes, it is to meet with City Atty. Rocky Delgadillo's staff in a closed session permitted when officials take up legal issues. To override the veto and restore the settlement, 10 members would have to oppose the mayor, a prospect that seems unlikely.

Council President Eric Garcetti said it is possible that the council could emerge with an offer of a different settlement. Or it could instruct the city attorney to let the case go to a judge or jury.

Harrison said she would be satisfied with that: "I've already won the case," Pierce's lawyer said. "That's one reason that the city attorney has been telling the council and presumably the mayor's office to settle."

The firefighter case has led both the council and the mayor into a political thicket from which there is no easy escape. Approving the large settlement could mean incurring public wrath from those who see it as squandering city money on an unsympathetic plaintiff. Opposing it, however, could be viewed as sanctioning discrimination and harassment.

At one juncture Tuesday, Councilwoman Perry held up a bag of dog food that she said had been mailed to her at the urging of radio talk show hosts who for weeks have mocked the proposed settlement as being too much for what they call a relatively harmless act.

"You'll never know how much I understand," Perry said to Pierce and his wife, Brenda.

Turning to other black firefighters who accompanied the Pierces, Perry added: "It must make them physically sick that they have to keep going through this [racism] over and over and over again, and it must make them wonder if it will ever stop."

Later, Councilman Greig Smith ardently argued that he believed the dog food incident was serious but not racist.

"It is wrong, it is abusive, it is dehumanizing to all races and not just African Americans," Smith said. "I'm sorry, sir. The question here today is do we pay Mr. Pierce for his charge of racism or look at it for what it is."

Councilman Parks told Pierce that his comments had "brought tears to my eyes."

Parks said he had recently spoken on "The John & Ken Show" on KFI-AM (640), whose hosts have been prominent in fighting the settlement, and "I had the great pleasure of them hanging up on me.

"I said [to them], 'When's the last time that you ate dog food?' "

Pierce suggested to the council that the pranks he participated in were good-natured and said that, when they were over, "people would hug the person and take pictures with them. What they did to me at the Fire Station 5 was wrong because it was something I did not know. My mother worked three jobs to get me where I am today. At no time did she ever feed us dog food."

Pierce said that what bothered him most was that white firefighters watched him eat. And, when he complained, the Fire Department didn't help.

"You have to stand up when you do something wrong. If it's wrong, it's wrong," Pierce said. "The captains never stood up. If they would have said in the office 'I put it in your food. I'm sorry.' I would have washed it clean. But they didn't."

"If it wasn't for my no vote" in the initial 11-1 settlement, "we wouldn't be here," said Councilman Dennis Zine, who remains the most outspoken critic of the deal. "I'm Middle Eastern and a minority" — Zine is of Lebanese descent — "and I've been called many different names in my career [as a Los Angeles police officer], but it was not done in my opinion as a negative. It was done in brotherhood."

After the five-hour council meeting Tuesday, Councilwoman Janice Hahn paused as she returned to her office.

"This whole thing is literally making me sick to my stomach," Hahn said. "No one should be humiliated or treated with such disrespect."

"I think this case cries out for people to vote their conscience."

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Re: Black firefighter settles suit over racial prank
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2006, 07:15:20 AM »
Still don't see a race issue. 

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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2006, 07:25:35 AM »
The Times obtained portions of a July deposition late Tuesday, in which Pierce denied under oath having joined in the shaving of a fellow firefighter's groin:

"Were you ever present when a firefighter was shaved?" an assistant city attorney asked.

"No," said Pierce.

"You've never done that?"

"I've never done it."

"And if anybody said you did, they would be lying?" the attorney continued.

"They are lying," Pierce said.

Yet Pierce appears in a photo of just such an incident, and he admitted Tuesday that he had participated in hazing out of a sense of camaraderie.

"Yes, we do have what you call hazing, we do have what you call pranks, but there's a certain level you have to go to, and a certain level that has to be stopped," Pierce said.

"I was involved in those pictures, I don't deny it, but so were many others," he said. "But those pictures were done in love to guys who were promoted, to guys who had a long stint with the Fire Department."

I love how this guy has no problem lying under oath. Giving this guy $2.7 million is insanity, he deserves nothing.  ::)