short clip of Flex from 93AC - holy crap!

[Hulkster]

Idiot , thickness is as the name implies , width is as the name implies it HAS NOTHING to do with the development of the muscle , Nasser had a thick back , and Dillett had a wide back and NEITHER had any fucking development within the muscles , jesus christ get with the program.

once again, ND cannot contemplate that someone might have a combo of both detail AND thickness.

notice how he only seems to grasp one or the other but not both?

he still has so much to learn about how this sport is judged.

[NarcissisticDeity]

very true.

ND really has no clue.

You think Ronnie with bitch-tits a GH gut and poor muscle shape can overcome Flex Wheeler 1993? lol kid wake up and smell the coffee

[NarcissisticDeity]

once again, ND cannot contemplate that someone might have a combo of both detail AND thickness.

notice how he only seems to grasp one or the other but not both?

he still has so much to learn about how this sport is judged.

Again you're behind the 8 ball with all your imaginary advantages Ronnie has bitch-tits a GH gut and poor muscle shape compared to Flex and no aesthetics , whatever imagined advantages you think Ronnie as his weaknesses and Flex's strenghts would walk all over Ronnie.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Sure Dillett had a wide back. 

Kid thats an old Hulkster trick and it failed when he tried it , try getting a pic of Paul where he's flexing 

width wasn't an issue for Paul

[Hulkster]

You think Ronnie with bitch-tits a GH gut and poor muscle shape can overcome Flex Wheeler 1993? lol kid wake up and smell the coffee

yes, and as you can see, everyone else thinks so too.

oh, sorry, I guess we are all wrong once again

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes, and as you can see, everyone else thinks so too.

oh, sorry, I guess we are all wrong once again

 

You're damn right you're all wrong and you're clueless about how the contests are judges I know , I known for years and you still don't , X-frame and the guy with the widest back , and lumpiness  get a clue , here please read the criteria and if you need any help just ask I'll be more than willing to help the ignorant , Hulkster you're not stupid just uninformed but thats why I here to teach you !!


When assessing a competitor’s physique, a judge should follow a
routine procedure which will allow a comprehensive assessment of
the physique as a whole. During the comparisons of the
compulsory poses, the judge should first look at the primary
muscle group being displayed. The judge should then survey the
whole physique, starting from the head, and looking at every part
of the physique in a downward sequence, beginning with general
impressions, and looking for muscular bulk, balanced
development, muscular density and definition. The downward
survey should take in the head, neck, shoulders, chest, all of the
arm muscles, front of the trunk for pectorals, pec-delt tie-in,
abdominals, waist, thighs, legs, calves and feet. The same
procedure for back poses will also take in the upper and lower
trapezius, teres and infraspinatus, erector spinae, the gluteus
group, the leg biceps group at the back of the thighs, calves, and
feet. A detailed assessment of the various muscle groups should
be made during the comparisons, at which time it helps the judge
to compare muscle shape, density, and definition while still
bearing in mind the competitor’s overall balanced development.
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

Front Double Biceps (see Figure 1)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet
in-line and a short distance apart, the competitor will raise
both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows.
The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to
cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed
in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt
to contract as many other muscles as possible as the
judges will be surveying the whole physique, from head to
toe.

The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps, and will continue the
head-to-toe survey by observing the development of the
forearms, deltoids, pectorals, pec-delt tie-ins, abdominals,
thighs, and calves. The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance.

Front Lat Spread (see Figure 2)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet a
short distance apart, the competitor will place the open
hands, or clenched fists, against, or gripping, the lower
waist or obliques and will expand the latissimus muscles.
At the same time, the competitor should attempt to
contract as many other frontal muscles as possible. It
shall be strictly forbidden for the competitor to pull up on
the posing trunks so as to show the top inside of the
quadriceps.
The judge should first see whether the competitor can
show a good spread of the latissimus muscles, thereby
creating a V-shaped torso. Then the judge should
continue with the head-to-foot survey, noting first the
general aspectsof the physique and then concentrating on
the more detailed aspects of the various muscle groups.

3. Side Chest (see Figure 3)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose, in
order to display the “better” arm. He will stand with his
left or right side towards the judges and will bend the arm
nearest the judges to a right-angle position, with the fist
clenched and, with the other hand, will grasp the wrist.
The leg nearest the judges will be bent at the knee and
will rest on the toes. The competitor will then expand the
chest and by upward pressure of the front bent arm and
contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also
contract the thigh muscles, in particular, the biceps
femoris group, and by downward pressure on his toes,
will display the contracted calf muscles.
The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral
muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg
biceps and the calves, and will conclude with the head-tofoot
examination. In this pose the judge will be able to
survey the thigh and calf muscles in profile, which will
help in grading their comparative development more
accurately.

Back Double Biceps (see Figure 4)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh
and calf muscles.

The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance.

Back Lat Spread (see Figure 5)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
place his hands on his waist with his elbows kept wide,
one foot back and resting on the toes. He will then
contract the latissimus dorsi as wide as possible and
display a calf contraction by pressing downward on the
rear toes. The competitor should make an effort to
display the opposite calf to that which was displayed
during the back double biceps pose so the the judge may
assess both calf muscle equally. It shall be strictly
forbidden for the competitor to pull up on the posing
trunks so as to show the gluteus maximus muscles.
The judge will look for a good spread of the latissimus
dorsi, but also for good muscle density and will again
conclude with the head-to-foot survey.

6. Side Triceps (see Figure 6)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose so as
to show the “better” arm. He will stand with his left or
right side towards the judges and will place both arms
behind his back, either linking his fingers or grasping the
front arm by the wrist with his rear hand. The leg nearest
the judges will be bent at the knee and the foot will rest
flat on the floor. The competitor will exert pressure
against his front arm, thereby causing the triceps muscle
to contract. He will also raise the chest and contract the
abdominal muscles as well as the thigh and calf muscles.
The judge will first survey the triceps muscles, and
conclude with the head-to-foot examination. In this pose,
the judge will be able to survey the thigh and calf muscles
in profile, which will help in grading their comparative
development more accurately.

Abdominals and Thighs (see Figure 7)
Standing face front to the judges, the competitor will
place both arms behind the head and will place one leg
forward. He will then contract the abdominal muscles by
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“crunching” the trunk slightly forward. At the same time,
he will contract the thigh muscles of the forward leg.
The judge will survey the abdominal and thigh muscles,
and then conclude with the head-to-foot examination.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yeah, if only flex was this wide 

width wasn't Pauls problem kid , it was development

[Hulkster]

You're damn right you're all wrong

ND, whats it like to be alone in your contentions in each and every thread?

[pobrecito]

Hulkster you are so naive and ignorant.

You have been to a king kamali seminar and you think you know everything.

ND is far more knowledgable than you.

[Parker]

no...meant to say....flex was a great bodybuilder but come on.

dont compare him to ronnie.

Ronnie was able to come in at his peak far better than Flex. Flex had a problem with his lower back, glute-ham tie ins. Something that became more of a problem when he got bigger, and stopped working with Joe McNeal. Flex's best yrs as a pro was 93, 97, and 98.

Ronnie is also able to carry more mass than Flex, that is in genetics. And it showed in 99-00. Flex couldn't hang and Ronnie past him. Flex was always a ectomorph. Ronnie could look at cornbread and grow.
If Flex were to have his same look as he did at the 93 ASC, but was about 230 pounds, Ronnie would not have been Mr. O. It was said if Flex just came in his 98 Arnold condition, he would have walked away with it. He didn't and.

Kinda like how Ferrari used to have an advantage over the F1 field (2yrs ago), but due to the fact they used tires like crazy (their own fault), and the rules changes to one set of tires, other teams (Renault) which were more frugal, beat Ferrari.

What I'm trying to say is that, Flex had the tools to win, but due to his own neglegance, and his genetic limitations, Ronnie surpassed Flex... 

[Theoak*]

are you refering to the same flex wheeler that never came close to beating dorian and in fact called dorian in 93, flex's best year in over 10 years of competition, untouchable.

yes, that is a quote from flex him self.

"dorian is untouchable".

flex himself said that.  what more do you need?

is your opinion more valid than flex's about his fucking self?

even when the person of subject admits to it, you still dont believe them.

you truly are delusional.

Are you referring to the same flex wheeler who came on this board this year and admitted that coleman would own yates at both their peaks?

ND you truly are a delusional dumbass.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, whats it like to be alone in your contentions in each and every thread?

No I'm not you have more uneducated people on your side , I'll stick to with the few intelligent knowlegable people on my side , people who can look objectively , honestly and without bias , your problem is you're a blinded guy who thinks his hero is untoucable , in every single tread you post your nonsense about Ronnie having the best this the best that and you somehow equate all Ronnie great parts as a great whole its not Ronnie at his best was an exceellent bodybuilder no questions about it , but Flex & Dorian at their best would beat him and I can honestly say that and the best part is I'm more than willing to admit I may be wrong because bodybuilding is very subjective but thats more than you can do.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Are you referring to the same flex wheeler who came on this board this year and admitted that coleman would own yates at both their peaks?

ND you truly are a delusional dumbass.

I'm reffering to the same Flex Wheeler who said if he didn't retire a few of Ronnie's Sandows would be his 

[Hulkster]

Hulkster you are so naive and ignorant.

You have been to a king kamali seminar and you think you know everything.

ND is far more knowledgable than you.

LOL no, that was a nimrod king seminar.

he is a pro that was competeting in the Mr O. no doubt long before you were even following the sport...

[NarcissisticDeity]

Unless you show me a great Dillett latspread stop talking bs. His back looks decent from the front but from the back he looks like shit.

Again width wasn't Pauls problem it was development , so please explain to me again what development does Ronnie have in his back that Flex doesn't.

[pobrecito]

Ronnie was able to come in at his peak far better than Flex. Flex had a problem with his lower back, glute-ham tie ins. Something that became more of a problem when he got bigger, and stopped working with Joe McNeal. Flex's best yrs as a pro was 93, 97, and 98.

Ronnie is also able to carry more mass than Flex, that is in genetics. And it showed in 99-00. Flex couldn't hang and Ronnie past him. Flex was always a ectomorph. Ronnie could look at cornbread and grow.
If Flex were to have his same look as he did at the 93 ASC, but was about 230 pounds, Ronnie would not have been Mr. O. It was said if Flex just came in his 98 Arnold condition, he would have walked away with it. He didn't and.

Kinda like how Ferrari used to have an advantage over the F1 field (2yrs ago), but due to the fact they used tires like crazy (their own fault), and the rules changes to one set of tires, other teams (Renault) which were more frugal, beat Ferrari.

What I'm trying to say is that, Flex had the tools to win, but due to his own neglegance, and his genetic limitations, Ronnie surpassed Flex... 

It was all due to Flex's genetic Kidney problem as to why he kept coming in less shape year after year. I would go so far as to say, if Flex didn't have FSGS, Ronnie never would have been Mr. Olympia.

[pobrecito]

LOL no, that was a nimrod king seminar.

he is a pro that was competeting in the Mr O. no doubt long before you were even following the sport...

Hulkster, based on your assinine assessments, and lack of knowledge of the IFBB judging criteria that ND has schooled you on many a time, one would think you just recently started following bodybuilding. You are very, very naive and I suggest you listen carefully to ND.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Sure, just a tad more synthol and he would own ronnie. 

And add in a gut and bitch tits and he'll really be able to compete with Ronnie lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

paul wide back no development

[pobrecito]

Please stop.

Yates completely annihilates that sack of shit.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Flex was on another level from Ronnie

[NarcissisticDeity]

Just a perfect blend of size & aesthetics

[pobrecito]

Study ND's posts very carefully Hulkster. You could learn a thing or two....or three

[NeoSeminole]

Just a perfect blend of size & aesthetics

According to you, aesthetics don't matter in a bodybuilding competition and he lacks size compared to Ronnie. So how exactly would Ronnie lose to Flex?

[NarcissisticDeity]

According to you, aesthetics don't matter in a bodybuilding competition and he lacks size compared to Ronnie. So how exactly would Ronnie lose to Flex?

Pay attention to me , I never said they don't matter I said they didn't apply to Dorian Yates , he didn't need aesthetics to beat guys with aesthetics , Flex is down size compared to Ronnie but he's way up in terms of shape , his muscle shape in unrivaled by Ronnie and he doesn't have bitch tits , a gut , overdeveloped glutes , Ronnie never faced Flex at his best and Flex still beat him , despite being lighter ever wonder why?