OJ book/TV cancelled

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At, first, I will admit that I thought he was innocent, I thought his son did it, because his son didn't like Nicole Brown. But then when the 911 tapes came out, I was like, "OJ did it."

But I think the Borwn family is partly responsible for their daughter's death. I remember seeing an interview with the sister and she was crying saying, "OJ had pushed Nicole out of a moving car", and other abuses. If the family all this as going on, why didn't they try to stop it, while she was alive. Well the reason is , they were making mone off of OJ (they owned the Herz rental car biz, I believe), So as long as he was running thur the airport in commercials it was fine, Nicole was the "sacrificial lamb"

Basically they framed a guilty man, botched up evidence, and had a racist cop trying to hit on the black  lead singer of Vanity 6 (Vanity). Johnnie Cochran had this case given to him. It all had the makings of a very bad movie.

I've heard others say this.  I believe OJ is guilty as sin, but there was substantial evidence of police misconduct.  For example, one of the experts called by the defense testified that there was a blood preservative and "more DNA" in blood on the socks in OJ's bedroom and the blood on the back gate.  The police lab didn't "find" this blood until weeks after the crime. 

I think Henry Lee's testimony was very harmful to the prosecution too.  "Something wrong."   

For me, the most compelling piece of evidence against OJ was the Bruno Magli shoe print at the crime scene.  Size 12.  The defense couldn't touch that evidence.  Then, after the trial, they found numerous pictures of OJ wearing those shoes as a sideline reporter at NFL games.  The pictures were used during his civil trial.     

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People were so blinded by disgust for police, racial issues, etc to just look at the evidence. 

Bruno Magli shoe print at the crime scene lol... I forgot about that one.  What an incredible smoking gun of guilt.  And today, most people - of any race - would look at the evidence and say 'guilty!!'.

But back then, people would seriously fistfight over it.  They were so wrapped up in emotion that they wouldn't even LOOK at the facts.

Sounds kinda familiar!

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The most glaring and overlooked evidence was his admission of guilt to Rosey Grier, in prison. In yet another Ito blunder, the evidence of neither witness was ever admitted:


Following Simpson's arrest, Grier had been a regular visitor at the Los Angeles County Jail. A giant, African-American former NFL defensive lineman, Grier had become an ordained minister.

On November 13th, 1994, a Sunday afternoon at about 4:30 p.m., he and Simpson were talking by telephone, separated by a glass partition. A deputy called Jeff Stuart was sitting close by and heard Simpson yell, and slam down his telephone, shouting: "I didn't mean to do it. I'm sorry." Grier leaned forward and yelled back: "O.J., you gotta come clean. You gotta tell somebody!" Simpson then buried his face in his hands, looking distraught. They talked for another few minutes and then Grier left.

Although both Stuart and Grier gave testimony to Judge Ito regarding the overheard conversation, and the judge ruled that Simpson had waived any right to "clergyman-penitent privilege," he nevertheless disallowed the prosecution from presenting the guard's testimony.

I believe OJ is guilty as sin, but there was substantial evidence of police misconduct.

Police bumbling soiled the evidence.

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The most glaring and forgotten evidence was his admission of guilt to Rosey Grier, in prison. Apparently because he was a priest, Grier was never pressured to forgo his credo of discretion.

That wasn't an admission of guilt.  Hardly the strongest piece of evidence either.

The bloody glove found in OJ's yard would have been the strongest piece of evidence, if not for Fuhrman.   

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That wasn't an admission of guilt.  Hardly the strongest piece of evidence either.

Absurd. A minister's words as well as those from a guard would have been huge. Besides which, i said forgotten/ignored. This event isn't even known by most.

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Absurd. A minister's word as well as that of a guard would have been huge.

I heard various reports of what Simpson allegedly yelled when talking to Grier.  I think the judge did the right thing by keeping it out.  The judge should have also kept out the "dream" testimony (OJ allegedly saying he had dreams about killing Nicole). 

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I heard various reports of what Simpson allegedly yelled when talking to Grier.  I think the judge did the right thing by keeping it out.

Given the fact that you're going on hearsay and the established reality that Ito did a poor job, that's pretty lame.

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Given the fact that you're going on hearsay and the established reality that Ito did a poor job, that's pretty lame.

   The guard's comments were hearsay.  OJ's alleged comments might have been a hearsay exception.   

Did I say Ito did a poor job? 

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The guard's comments were hearsay.  OJ's alleged comments might have been a hearsay exception.   

Did I say Ito did a poor job? 

No you didn't; maybe you think he did a great job.

Neither a minister's words, or those of a guard, would have been hearsay-they were both there, which is not hearsay.

Their words would have been huge in the court of public opinion.

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I sure hope the same people who refuse to even look at the 911 evidence are getting their panties in a wad over OJ evidence. 

Well, perhaps in ten years, here in the general room we'll finally be discussing 9/11 evidence while you refuse to look at whatever major issue is relevant at the time.

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I sure hope the same people who refuse to even look at the 911 evidence are getting their panties in a wad over OJ evidence. 

Well, perhaps in ten years, here in the general room we'll finally be discussing 9/11 evidence while you refuse to look at whatever major issue is relevant at the time.

Would it be possible to create discrete threads on 9/11 rather than trying to peddle these theories everywhere? Most don't believe or care.

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Would it be possible to create discrete threads on 9/11 rather than trying to peddle these theories everywhere? Most don't believe or care.

IMO most people who look at the evidence suddenly do care a great deal.

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IMO most people who look at the evidence suddenly do care a great deal.

Self-delusion. Please try to control the spread of this to every thread it's tired.

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from what I have seen as well, there were probems the intelligence of the jury.

I watched a tv show and they said something like the highest level of education completed by any of the jury members was grade 10 or something.

according to the show, the jury literally could not grasp the concept of the DNA and forensic evidence, thus, part of why they disregarded the mountain of it...

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No you didn't; maybe you think he did a great job.

Neither a minister's words, or those of a guard, would have been hearsay-they were both there, which is not hearsay.

Their words would have been huge in the court of public opinion.

Ito did okay.  I'd give him a C.   

Hearsay is an out-of-court statement made by someone not testifying at trial.  Grier's testimony about what OJ allegedly said outside of court would be hearsay.  The guard's testimony about what he allegedly heard Grier and OJ say would be hearsay.  There are exceptions, and OJ's comments might fall into one of those exceptions. 

I don't think the disputed comments would have impacted public opinion.  People are and were already firmly entrenched with their beliefs of guilt or innocence.  OJ cannot possibly become any more of a pariah than he is now.   

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Would it be possible to create discrete threads on 9/11 rather than trying to peddle these theories everywhere? Most don't believe or care.

Tell me about it. 

[bmacsys]

Remember back when a lot of people seriously said OJ was innocent?

No, as soon as he ran in the white Bronco nobody thought he was innocent.

[bmacsys]

10-4
racial hatred might be a strong term, but you are correct sir.

I think how bad many people thought of the LAPD at the time may have helped OJ be aquitted. After all it was right after Rodney King.

[bmacsys]

I don't wan tto hijack the thread or anything,

Oh come on. Of course you do!

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Hearsay is an out-of-court statement made by someone not testifying at trial.  Grier's testimony about what OJ allegedly said outside of court would be hearsay.  The guard's testimony about what he allegedly heard Grier and OJ say would be hearsay.  There are exceptions, and OJ's comments might fall into one of those exceptions. 

I don't think the disputed comments would have impacted public opinion.  People are and were already firmly entrenched with their beliefs of guilt or innocence.  OJ cannot possibly become any more of a pariah than he is now. 

Whatever tech details about it, it's significant that Grier's a minister & a guard was a part of the equation.

You opinion on public opinion's just yours. It would've made a difference at that time, IMO. Trials are not just based on evidence, as was seen in that trial.

[bmacsys]

I heard various reports of what Simpson allegedly yelled when talking to Grier.  I think the judge did the right thing by keeping it out.  The judge should have also kept out the "dream" testimony (OJ allegedly saying he had dreams about killing Nicole). 

Supposedly he yelled at Rosy Grier  "I killed the bitch!" This came out in 1994. I remember hearing that it wasn't admissable due to Rosy being his minister. Kind of like a priest not being able to rat you out at confession.

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THIS IS A FUCKING CONFESSION! PUT THE guy IN PRISON ALREADY!  

[pumpster]

That confession should not have been ruled out on technicalities, like the one about Grier being a minister. Nice job, judge Itoh! 

[pumpster]

November 16, 2006

A pathetic O.J. Simpson delivered a blubbering double-murder "confession" during his shocking TV interview that hypothetically details his role in the grisly slayings.

"I can't do this, I can't have my kids hear me say this," a tearful Simpson says in his Fox special, "If I Did It, Here's How It Happened," which will coincide with the release of his book by the same name.

The book's publisher, Judith Regan, is the on-camera interviewer in the jaw-dropping spectacle.

"This is a historic case, and I consider this his confession," Regan said yesterday.

The allegedly fictional account will explain how his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman were slaughtered outside her Los Angeles condo on June 12, 1994.

Talk of that bloody night proved too much for Simpson.

"I can't do no more of this," he said, in an interview clip posted on the Fox network Web site yesterday. Simpson appeared to be putting down a book as he cried.

A source close to the production - which will air Nov. 27 and 29 - said Simpson broke down in tears several times.

"It was extraordinarily difficult but detailed," the insider said. "For a story that's supposed to be hypothetical, this guy could barely get through it."

Even though the book's title implies guilt, Simpson still clings to his claims of innocence. The former Buffalo Bills star and Heisman Trophy winner could confess to the killings, but still remain free under double-jeopardy protection.

"I don't think two people could be murdered without everyone being covered in blood," Simpson said in the clip.

Traces of Brown's blood were found on Simpson's socks in his bedroom. Cops, however, were never able to find the clothes worn by the killer.

Simpson sat down with Regan on Monday in Miami, according to O.J.'s lawyer Yale Galanter, who said he didn't know about the deal until then.

Galanter said he would have advised Simpson against doing this book and TV deal - and even encouraged the Goldman and Brown families to go after the money O.J. might make.

"Absolutely . . . they can go after Fox and find out what the financial arrangement was between Fox and Regan Books," Galanter told Court TV. "And I think they could go after HarperCollins [the publisher for which Regan Books is an imprint] and Regan and find out what the deal was with Simpson and the people behind the book."

The book and TV deal made Simpson's lawyer so nervous, Galanter said he hit the law books to make sure his client was legally bulletproof.

"I actually spoke to a law professor about that today and the conclusion that everybody is reaching is that any murder suspect that is tried for a murder in 1995 would be absolutely immune from any type of prosecution in 2006," Galanter said.

"O.J.'s been tried, he's been acquitted in terms of the murder of Ron and Nicole. That issue is over. The only issue that's left on the table is the $33 million judgment."

Simpson is reportedly going to make $3.5 million from the book and TV special. Galanter declined to confirm that figure, but disclosed that his client's contract gives complete control of publicity to Regan and bars the grid great from speaking publicly for 30 days.

"There's little that would surprise me from this murdering s.o.b., but this does reach an all-time low, even for him," Ron Goldman's dad, Fred Goldman, told The Post from his home in Arizona.

"What's so morally reprehensible to me is that he's pretending 'how I would have done it' when in reality we all know how he did it."

The families lashed out not just at Simpson, but at Regan and Fox as well.

"We hope Ms. Regan takes full accountability for promoting the wrongdoing of criminals and leveraging this forum and the actions of Simpson to commercialize abuse," fumed Nicole Brown's sister Denise Brown.

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This really makes me sick.