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Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« on: November 19, 2006, 10:35:33 AM »
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An influential Democratic lawmaker on Sunday called for reinstatement of the draft as a way to boost U.S. troop levels and draw a broader section of the population into the military or public service.

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U.S. Rep. Charles Rangel (news, bio, voting record), the incoming chairman of the House of Representatives' tax-writing committee, said he would introduce legislation to reinstate the draft as soon as the new, Democratic-controlled Congress convenes in January.

Asked on CBS' "Face the Nation" if he was still serious about the proposal for a universal draft he raised a couple of years ago, he said, "You bet your life. Underscore serious."

"If we're going to challenge        Iran and challenge        North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to        Iraq, we can't do that without a draft," he said.

Rangel, who opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq, also said he did not think the United States would have invaded Iraq if the children of members of Congress were sent to fight. He has said the U.S. fighting force is comprised disproportionately of people from low-income families and minorities.

"I don't see how anyone can support the war and not support the draft. I think to do so is hypocritical," he said.

The New York Democrat had introduced legislation to reinstate the draft in January 2003 before the Iraq invasion. The        Pentagon has said the all-volunteer army is working well and there is no need for a draft, and the idea had no traction in the Republican-led Congress.

Democrats gained control of both the House and Senate for the first time in 12 years in the November 7 election, and a wholesale change in the leadership of Congress is to be made in January. Rangel is to head the House Ways and Means Committee, which is charged with U.S. tax and trade legislation.

The draft was in place from 1948 to 1973, when the United States converted to an all-volunteer army. But almost all men living in the United States - including most male noncitizens - are required to register with the Selective Service upon reaching 18, and federal benefits, including financial aid for college studies, are contingent on registration.

Rangel said his legislation on the draft would also offer the alternative of a couple of years of public service with educational benefits.

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2006, 11:30:45 AM »
Rangel, who opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq, also said he did not think the United States would have invaded Iraq if the children of members of Congress were sent to fight.

You got that right.  And most of the warmongers here are either current military who are still drinking the koolaid, or people whose kids arent enlisted.  When you think of the severity of bleeding out in the sand for oil, it's a fucking easy choice to make.

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2006, 11:35:46 AM »
Draft???? Bahhahaha. If you wanna see the shit really hit the fan start with that crap.  Fucking Iraq war.

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2006, 11:37:30 AM »
Draft???? Bahhahaha. If you wanna see the shit really hit the fan start with that crap.

that's what Rangel is doing.  Forcing the point. Right now it's mostly poor kids dying, so people aren't rushed.  If every CEO's son was suddenly refereeing a civil war with a strategy to "stall while the oil pipeline is built", you might have some campaign donations to the Repubs halted quickly.

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2006, 11:45:15 AM »
that's what Rangel is doing.  Forcing the point. Right now it's mostly poor kids dying, so people aren't rushed.  If every CEO's son was suddenly refereeing a civil war with a strategy to "stall while the oil pipeline is built", you might have some campaign donations to the Repubs halted quickly.
exactly.... You can't exactly hide from having an opinion or blindly picking an opinion with a draft looming on the horizon.  The days of slapping a yellow sticker on your truck and calling it good are over.

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2006, 05:05:31 PM »
Wow! The only problem is that this time around people are going to desert en masse. People are not up for this bullshit anymore.

I have an idea, SEND BUSH AND CHENEY!!!!

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2006, 05:25:07 PM »
He's always calling for the draft because there's no way they will ever let a vote occur. It's political showboating.
A draft is the only thing that will stop the war machine, that's exactly why it wont happen.

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2006, 05:32:58 PM »
they tried this before the 04 election. they're trying to get us scared. the dems want out of iraq, if they instill some fear the public will back them

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2006, 05:40:12 PM »
I'm registered with that selective services bullcrap, does this mean getting drafted? Let's pray there's never a military draft.  :(

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2006, 05:49:10 PM »
they tried this before the 04 election. they're trying to get us scared. the dems want out of iraq, if they instill some fear the public will back them

do you think the 4 American lives sacrificed a day are worth the lack of progress we've had in the last 12 months?

Do you feel 5 more years with 4 deaths a day and minimal progress is a best use of our fighting men and women?

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2006, 05:51:58 PM »
I'm registered with that selective services bullcrap, does this mean getting drafted? Let's pray there's never a military draft.  :(
That's what it means...

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2006, 05:58:04 PM »
do you think the 4 American lives sacrificed a day are worth the lack of progress we've had in the last 12 months?

Do you feel 5 more years with 4 deaths a day and minimal progress is a best use of our fighting men and women?

Hard to tell. Ask the people of Iraq if Saddam would have killed over half a million of them in the past two years.

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2006, 06:34:04 PM »
Hard to tell. Ask the people of Iraq if Saddam would have killed over half a million of them in the past two years.

Yep. Also they didn't get us to support that war by talking about human rights abuses.  They did it using WMD which didn't exist.  Would the American people have supported a war to save iraqi lives? No, because there are much worse human rights abuses going on in other countries.  And, there are far worse WMD threats in other countries.

We're in iran because we planned to invade 3 nations for an oil pipleline - Afghanistan, Iran, and Iraq.  We let 9/11 happen and called off the fighter jets in order to invade Afghanistan.  We swallowed bullshit about WMD to get into Iraq.  And it'll just be a matter of time til they use something to invade Iran.

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2006, 06:45:29 PM »
Over 80% of Americans oppose a draft.

If the Democrats want to see a return to a Republican-controlled Congress in 2 years, passing a draft is a really good way to do it.  ::)
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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2006, 06:54:06 PM »
Over 80% of Americans oppose a draft.

If the Democrats want to see a return to a Republican-controlled Congress in 2 years, passing a draft is a really good way to do it.  ::)

Of course they do, LOL!

Wars, like this, only affect the poor and minorities. WTF are we gonna do when they're all dead?

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2006, 06:58:02 PM »
Over 80% of Americans oppose a draft.

If the Democrats want to see a return to a Republican-controlled Congress in 2 years, passing a draft is a really good way to do it.  ::)
Are you for going to war with Iran or against?  If you're for, it's not happening without a draft.  Zero chance... We won't be able to just shock and awe Iran and call it good.  Everything will change going after Iran.

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2006, 07:05:01 PM »
Are you for going to war with Iran or against?  If you're for, it's not happening without a draft.  Zero chance... We won't be able to just shock and awe Iran and call it good.  Everything will change going after Iran.

Yes....  Everthing will change to Syria, LOL!

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2006, 07:53:47 PM »
do you think the 4 American lives sacrificed a day are worth the lack of progress we've had in the last 12 months?

Do you feel 5 more years with 4 deaths a day and minimal progress is a best use of our fighting men and women?

how do you feel about the 55,000 babies that are aborted every day?

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2006, 07:59:38 PM »
how do you feel about the 55,000 babies that are aborted every day?
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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2006, 08:32:12 PM »
how do you feel about the 55,000 babies that are aborted every day?

same way i feel about red herrings thrown into conversations when a person has no argument and won't admit it.  Sucks.

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2006, 09:18:23 PM »
i love it when a person claims to be a humanitarian, but thinks abortions are ok. a hypocrite like you cant complain about the soldiers

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2006, 09:24:54 PM »
I'm registered with that selective services bullcrap, does this mean getting drafted? Let's pray there's never a military draft.  :(

Yes.  And they have random drug testing in the military.  I hated those 3 a.m. surprise calls.   

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2006, 10:17:29 PM »
How does your draft work over there?  Do they pick names at random or panel reviewed?

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2006, 10:25:12 PM »
anybody ???

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Re: Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2006, 10:34:08 PM »
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