Gh15? Who was GH15?

[Palpatine Q]

So I'll ask you. You have a daughter. What would you rather HAVE her consume, narcotics or a big mac? Will you view the dealer that gave your daughter drugs the same way you view the cashier sitting behind the counter at Burger King handing her a burger and fries?
W

I am vehemently against both of them. Ofc illicit drugs are worse but it's not an either/or argument to me.

It's a "they both suck" argument.

As far as my kid...it's funny you bring this up because I just went through this with her...Shes at that age...Her friends all think they are adults apparently and go to Starbucks at lunch and get 1000 calorie Frappa-mocha-whatever the fucks and muffins and shit.  If its not that its McDonald's

She is forbidden to put that crap into her body....which didnt go over so big...and I had to get a little real with her and point out that a few of her friends were fat fucks and their eating habits were the reason why. I did not enjoy this conversation, its about the most "no-win" conversation you can have, a man talking to his daughter  and explaining to her she has to watch what she eats and she cant eat chips soda and McDonald's every day...but thats reality..especially for a girl.

Her mom does not practice a healthy lifestyle, so its up to me to instill these values in her. Cant always be the "cool dad" but she will thank.me later.

And no...I dont blame the cashier..that's a pawn.

But I do blame the bean counters and marketing analysts who come up with 3000 calorie disgusting blobs of shit and literally stuff them down peoples throats with their pervasive advertising.

My kid just had a dance recital...I was mortified at the physical state of these CHILDREN at 13 and 14 years old....Girls (a LOT of them) pushing 180 pounds and they think they are "fine" because nobody has the nerve to say anything to them because you might damage their self esteem...

As if being obese at 13 is good for their ego....

Sorry for the Pellius length reply..but you hit a hot button with me.

I see this shit every day, the physical state of our youth..its BAD and they are surrounded by shit fucking food.

Not my kid..she can hate my fucking guts I really don't give a shit. I KNOW I'm doing the right thing for her

And the funny thing is..I'm known at her school...her  dad is "jacked" and they all love me and say hi and talk...but they are mostly lazy and dont exercise...they arent interested in it. Its sad to me.

When I was 13 we used to do "the olympics" in the cul de sac for hours until our mothers dragged us home. And their wasn't an ounce of wasted flesh on a single one of us.

Drugs ? No shit drugs are bad..that's an easy sell and every authority figure in their life is on board. And thankfully for me she is taking after her mom in that regard and is not interested.

Its the food that everyone turns a blind eye to

[Cleanest Natural]

Do her hotter female teachers or other hot moms find an excuse to make small talk while you are around? 

[Palpatine Q]

Do her hotter female teachers or other hot moms find an excuse to make small talk while you are around? 

Its happened a time or two..LOL.

my kid thinks it's "gross"....and I'm "gross" ...and I'm like "WTF did I do..I gotra be gross?  But Harry Styles..he can do no wrong ...LOL.

So I always fuck with her and say I accidentally ran him over this morning.

"Daaaaaaad...you did NOT !"

"NO really...he was making out with some guy and I didnt see them..I'm sorry ."   Ha ha

[Cleanest Natural]

Its happened a time or two..LOL.

my kid thinks it's "gross"....and I'm "gross" ...and I'm like "WTF did I do..I gotra be gross?  But Harry Styles..he can do no wrong ...LOL.

So I always fuck with her and say I accidentally ran him over this morning.

"Daaaaaaad...you did NOT !"

"NO really...he was making out with some guy and I didnt see them..I'm sorry ."   Ha ha

I had to google him to see who he is .. I understand your reference now. Did you back up over him by any chance?

He seems like any normal teenager, full of hormones in love with burgers, lifting weights and fighting

[whitewidow]

Wes, Whitewidow is like 5'4" without shoes. He's already admitted it. And he has the hands of a 12 year old girl. We have pics. Those hands were made for jacking off supplier's cocks not fighting. How do you think he got to be such a successful drug dealer?

I am actually 5'7 with shoes,probably about 5'6 without shoes. You can tell how tough I am by the look at my hands when I was off-season. That picture was to prove my HGH was the BomB HGH that really made your nails grow far greater then any Kigtropin! everybody agreed My HGH had to be fucking strong to grow nails that big. Yes I was holding a water in that picture it was fucking winter! I was 220lbs in that picture. I usually am 185lbs with a 32Inch waist and my skin gets way tighter. In that picture my hands fucking hurt and were numb from that HGH I was on.

I guess it is not fair to say I could kick wes's ass or i could kick your ass because I don't know you guys personally. I def know I probably grew up the roughest and have been involved with more fights. Think whatever you want but I can fight real well,maybe you can too. I have no clue but even at my height you think I am scared of somebody because they are taller? fuck no! I can hold my own nobody fucks with me, if they did they would be crazy! I run around with guys who would not let that shit happen. You think I would back down from you?-LOL. I have boxed for years! I actually know how to fight unlike alot of people who just get pissed off and throw out of control puches and don;t know shit about defense or throwing counter-punches. Is mayweather that tall? No! is Manny that tall? No! is Marcos maidaina that tall? No! is Adrien broner that tall- No. height does not mean shit. look at what manny did to cotto and margarito. heaight does not mean shit. I am more trained then you think. I spent alot of time in the gym lifting and boxing plus spent numerous hours on the track.

I got marathon medals I can post. those are 26.2 miles. Go train and run a marathon and then you will know what hard work is. don't even lie if i would have sent you those kigtropin kits instead of S you would of blamed me once you found out they were bunk! You would of accused me of tampering with them. Why did you want me to remail you those kigtropin kits? It is because you trusted that I knew what i was doing. right? You thought I was the safer person since the other guy was kind of bad with money. correct? or do I have to read those Pm's again? You tried to use me to remail your HGH to you and you were selling those kits to other people and keeping your profit in kits ,that is dealing! you are no better then me so shut the fuck up!

[whitewidow]

You know the thing with money it hardly ever stays in place and keeps moving around. Yeah Bigher did spend all that money, then what's left after so much money is spent. He was probably short in money atm and got helped.
 

No gh15 didn't charge for posting actually he encouraged members to post more.  I like how you used the term "probably", that's so weasel like.  Don't make an ass of yourself until you know how much they are charged...I can tell you it's comparably less than other boards.  Uh-huh keep convincing yourself that you never conned and you've never done shadey deals.   You lie, man.  Be truthful, once you begin doing that your words will carry value, and you'll feel better too.  What happens with lies is that it takes so many more lies to cover up lies. Doing that, spiritually makes you weak.

Your posts ooze with anger, hostility, and cunningness.  Why is that?  Read my previous post.

never conned anybody! look at the picture of products i posted all are Top notch products.Sorry to say it but I know more about that dog fund raiser then you do and Bigher did not need any money! That money went to AAS and HGH not the dog! You really think a vet would expect somebody to have the whole 5 grand at once? and why such a even amount like 5,000 grand? I have Bighers PM's of him trying to clear his name and none of his Pm's explain why he needed that much money at all. He was prepping for a show and needed 5 grand is what happened.

[whitewidow]

Just an FYI for you holmes....I grew up in a ghetto and lived there for decades............could n`t step in certain parts of the neighborhood,and when they bussed the black kids (19070`s) I got bussed with them......white kids didn`t like this,so I had to deal with that also.

So I had to fight both blacks and whites all the time as a kid..........I was small,they weren`t usually as a rule.........I`m still intact,you do the math.

Worked in a strip bar for 13 years......bounced for the last 5 of them................I`m still intact,you do the math.


Hung in the streets of Springfield Mass., drinking and drugging for over 35 years,not a nice place,and it wasn`t very nice company being surrounded by criminals,junkies,pimps,pushers,hoes,and scumbags in general............I`m still intact,you do the math.

No silver spoon up my ass pal,so not to threaten on the web because anyone can do that and it means zero,but You`d hardly phase me.

I may be older than you,but I`m still strong,quick,lean,and alert.  

I`m not talking about gh15 or pellius,I`m talking about your posted PM`s dealing with your sales of narcotics.............th at`s a scumbag lifestlye dude,seen it up close and personal many many times over.


Otherwise I wouldn`t say shit to you,but after I read those Personal Messages posted by E S Fitness,your credibility and respect from me went right out the fucking window.

I`m no fucking alter boy,but I sincerely hope you can find your way out of the hole you`re in just like I did.

Good luck on that,money can make some people do really stupid shit.

If you truly are out of the natrcotics dealing business,then I say congrats to you and I apologize.

If you are lying,you`ll reap what you sow.

Gear doesn`t ruin most lives like hardcore drugs do.........I`ve been down that road too,and there was a spoon  involved at times,but it wasn`t made of silver,instead it held various white powders.

I honestly have not made any moves in a little over 2 years! I say that proudly! Wes i just don;t get how we were able to be on getbig together for years and never had any bad run-ins or never dissagreed about anything. I can't remember one bad incident we had! You just seemed like a jolly guy. Then you come back after a year or two and attack me and call me a dealer for no reason! I was into some bad shit a few years ago and back then you never put me down and called me scum and now that I am out of that business and have been focusing on doing things to earn me good karma ,here you come and start putting me down and calling me a pusher wich is not right!

Why didn't you say this 2 years ago at least then you would of been putting me down at a time when I was actually into illegal business. Name one time before you left getbig where i ever said anything bad about you? same goes for me I cannot remember you ever saying anything bad about me. I only remember you commenting on some pictures I posted and it wsn;t like you said "wow that is alot of shit ,you must be some piece of shit steroid and narcotic dealer" instead you said wow I am getting leaner just looking at those pictures. those were your words. You have no reason to not like me.I was never rude to you!

You have the right to hate me, I just don"t get why now did you choose to hate me when I have been clean out of that game for a few years. As far as where you grew up and where I grew up I shouldn't of jumped to conclusions. As far as who is tougher ,who gives a fuck because this is the internet we will never meet up in real life and fight!-lol It just will not ever happen. That goes for everybody, we can all sit here and say we can beat each other up but why talk about it if it will never happen? None of us will likely ever meet in person. this is not a local forum we all live thousands of miles apart.

My brother died last year and I have really stepped away from that lifestyle. I still don;t even like talking about it. My brother was 30 yers old and just got out of prison on dec 3rd 2012 and he died on Dec 20th 2012 right before christmas. we had him cremated and right after new years had a memorial for him. I grew up with just a single mom who was never around and lived in the city in a 1 bedroom apartment where all 3 of us lived. All I can remember was my mom worrying about how she was going to pay all the bills! Those are my memorys growing up. I decided to take the easy route at a very young age and that was the only way I ever was going to get anything. some kids have their parents buy them cars when they get their license , not me! I knew whatever I wanted i had to work for. I never got any free handouts or any financial help,everything I got was from working. I bought all my own shit and had to pay rent money as young as 14 years old, not all of it but between my brother and I we made sure all the bills were paid. My mom made shit for money and my dad never paid child support! We were on foodstamps and nothing came easy! I feel good that when I got a little older i was able to buy my mom alot of shit and pay her rent and give her anything she needed, same goes for my dead brother anything he needed I helped him out,I paid for his fucking rehab and paid his bail when he got locked up.

Anyway I always did everybody right and never have did anybody wrong if I was that scandalous why would pellius trust me to remail him 16 kits of kigtropin? he did it because he knew I could get them in the states and I had money and wouldn't fuck with them. the other guy he ended up using worried him a little bit because he spent all his money on HGH and AAS with a dream of going pro and was like 32 and living with his parents so he was actually smart asking me as I am in a way better situation then that! I have no dreams of going pro and at that time I had so much gear he wouldn't worry about me taking any of the kits are monkey'ing around with the kits. however I do believe he would of thrown the blame on me if the kits were bunk wich is why I wanted nothing to do with it, and I was right he got sent bunk HGH.

[wes]

I honestly have not made any moves in a little over 2 years! I say that proudly! Wes i just don;t get how we were able to be on getbig together for years and never had any bad run-ins or never dissagreed about anything. I can't remember one bad incident we had! You just seemed like a jolly guy. Then you come back after a year or two and attack me and call me a dealer for no reason! I was into some bad shit a few years ago and back then you never put me down and called me scum and now that I am out of that business and have been focusing on doing things to earn me good karma ,here you come and start putting me down and calling me a pusher wich is not right!

Why didn't you say this 2 years ago at least then you would of been putting me down at a time when I was actually into illegal business. Name one time before you left getbig where i ever said anything bad about you? same goes for me I cannot remember you ever saying anything bad about me. I only remember you commenting on some pictures I posted and it wsn;t like you said "wow that is alot of shit ,you must be some piece of shit steroid and narcotic dealer" instead you said wow I am getting leaner just looking at those pictures. those were your words. You have no reason to not like me.I was never rude to you!

You have the right to hate me, I just don"t get why now did you choose to hate me when I have been clean out of that game for a few years. As far as where you grew up and where I grew up I shouldn't of jumped to conclusions. As far as who is tougher ,who gives a fuck because this is the internet we will never meet up in real life and fight!-lol It just will not ever happen. That goes for everybody, we can all sit here and say we can beat each other up but why talk about it if it will never happen? None of us will likely ever meet in person. this is not a local forum we all live thousands of miles apart.

My brother died last year and I have really stepped away from that lifestyle. I still don;t even like talking about it. My brother was 30 yers old and just got out of prison on dec 3rd 2012 and he died on Dec 20th 2012 right before christmas. we had him cremated and right after new years had a memorial for him. I grew up with just a single mom who was never around and lived in the city in a 1 bedroom apartment where all 3 of us lived. All I can remember was my mom worrying about how she was going to pay all the bills! Those are my memorys growing up. I decided to take the easy route at a very young age and that was the only way I ever was going to get anything. some kids have their parents buy them cars when they get their license , not me! I knew whatever I wanted i had to work for. I never got any free handouts or any financial help,everything I got was from working. I bought all my own shit and had to pay rent money as young as 14 years old, not all of it but between my brother and I we made sure all the bills were paid. My mom made shit for money and my dad never paid child support! We were on foodstamps and nothing came easy! I feel good that when I got a little older i was able to buy my mom alot of shit and pay her rent and give her anything she needed, same goes for my dead brother anything he needed I helped him out,I paid for his fucking rehab and paid his bail when he got locked up.

Anyway I always did everybody right and never have did anybody wrong if I was that scandalous why would pellius trust me to remail him 16 kits of kigtropin? he did it because he knew I could get them in the states and I had money and wouldn't fuck with them. the other guy he ended up using worried him a little bit because he spent all his money on HGH and AAS with a dream of going pro and was like 32 and living with his parents so he was actually smart asking me as I am in a way better situation then that! I have no dreams of going pro and at that time I had so much gear he wouldn't worry about me taking any of the kits are monkey'ing around with the kits. however I do believe he would of thrown the blame on me if the kits were bunk wich is why I wanted nothing to do with it, and I was right he got sent bunk HGH.

Dude,I said I apologize if you were out of that lifestyle.......I thought the dealing was current.

SORRY!

As far as not mentioning it two years ago,I had no clue that you were really into it,I just thought that calling you a narcotics dealer was gh15`s way of busting your balls.

Again,congrats for cleaning up your act,I know it`s not easy once you get into a pattern like that.

As I said earlier,I`m far from a saint,so I know how it gets at times.

Peace. 

[whitewidow]

You know what? Nothing is more humbling than a solid ass kicking.

I can name a few people here who REALLY need a humbling shit-kickin'. And I would love to be the one to deliver that precious life's lesson.

You got harrassed by some little Gh15 elfs and you said they were pussys yet you did nothing about it! they confronted you so they must not of been scared of you,if you were so hard you would of beat them down but you admitted you did nothing! talk is cheap on the internet. if i had some litle punks harrasing me at my gym I would of done more then just smirk and walk away then post about it later. Not saying your a pussy or all talk . I know you are a strong guy but how come you didn't do anything about that? Some Gh15 elfs came to your gym dissrespecting you and you did nothing!

[gee38]

wes and white widow chew the fat

(just to lighten the mood chaps)

[wes]

wes and white widow chew the fat

(just to lighten the mood chaps)

Fucking hilarious!!  LOL 

[pellius]

its a very simplistic way of looking at the argument as of course there is only one answer

however this is the first generation where children can expect a shorter life expectancy than their parents

obesity and diabetes are the major health issue that we face  the culprit is high sugar foods

in 50 years time the eating habits of todays generation will be looked back on in bewilderment

Simple but not "simplistic". And this is not a play of word. There are gradations of evil. There are gradations of good.

Some things are better than others. Some things are worse than others. For example, there was a thread where a celebrity said that eating meat was just as bad as pedophilia. When you equate being a carnivore with pedophilia you don't increase the perceive harm done by meat eating but rather diminish the evil that is pedophilia.

So one can certainly say that narcotic abuse is bad and one can say that excess consumption of chicken mcnuggets is bad. But if one is going to make a moral equivalence between the two then there are certain obvious implications of that claim. 

[Simple Simon]

Simple but not "simplistic". And this is not a play of word. There are gradations of evil. There are gradations of good.

Some things are better than others. Some things are worse than others. For example, there was a thread where a celebrity said that eating meat was just as bad as pedophilia. When you equate being a carnivore with pedophilia you don't increase the perceive harm done by meat eating but rather diminish the evil that is pedophilia.

So one can certainly say that narcotic abuse is bad and one can say that excess consumption of chicken mcnuggets is bad. But if one is going to make a moral equivalence between the two then there are certain obvious implications of that claim. 

So the use of either is acceptable its just the abuse you find unacceptable?
So what has that got to do with people selling either?

[pellius]

People destroy themselves
Fast food and narcotics don't do anything, they are inanimate objects.

True. That's really the bottom line. Ultimately we are all responsible for our own lives.

My issue with WW is not that he is a drug dealer per se, but that he lies about it and accuses me of being a drug dealer because me, along with a couple of my friends, pooled our money to place an order. Rick Collins wrote a piece making this distinction clear.

[Simple Simon]

True. That's really the bottom line. Ultimately we are all responsible for our own lives.

My issue with WW is not that he is a drug dealer per se, but that he lies about it and accuses me of being a drug dealer because me, along with a couple of my friends, pooled our money to place an order. Rick Collins wrote a piece making this distinction clear.

So after careful deliberation you have decided to change tack, a wise move as you were talking bollocks before.
Now you have issues with him denying it?
What do you expect a drug dealer to do, admit it?

Come on pellius get real.

[pellius]

I am vehemently against both of them. Ofc illicit drugs are worse but it's not an either/or argument to me.

It's a "they both suck" argument.

As far as my kid...it's funny you bring this up because I just went through this with her...Shes at that age...Her friends all think they are adults apparently and go to Starbucks at lunch and get 1000 calorie Frappa-mocha-whatever the fucks and muffins and shit.  If its not that its McDonald's

She is forbidden to put that crap into her body....which didnt go over so big...and I had to get a little real with her and point out that a few of her friends were fat fucks and their eating habits were the reason why. I did not enjoy this conversation, its about the most "no-win" conversation you can have, a man talking to his daughter  and explaining to her she has to watch what she eats and she cant eat chips soda and McDonald's every day...but thats reality..especially for a girl.

Her mom does not practice a healthy lifestyle, so its up to me to instill these values in her. Cant always be the "cool dad" but she will thank.me later.

And no...I dont blame the cashier..that's a pawn.

But I do blame the bean counters and marketing analysts who come up with 3000 calorie disgusting blobs of shit and literally stuff them down peoples throats with their pervasive advertising.

My kid just had a dance recital...I was mortified at the physical state of these CHILDREN at 13 and 14 years old....Girls (a LOT of them) pushing 180 pounds and they think they are "fine" because nobody has the nerve to say anything to them because you might damage their self esteem...

As if being obese at 13 is good for their ego....

Sorry for the Pellius length reply..but you hit a hot button with me.

I see this shit every day, the physical state of our youth..its BAD and they are surrounded by shit fucking food.

Not my kid..she can hate my fucking guts I really don't give a shit. I KNOW I'm doing the right thing for her

And the funny thing is..I'm known at her school...her  dad is "jacked" and they all love me and say hi and talk...but they are mostly lazy and dont exercise...they arent interested in it. Its sad to me.

When I was 13 we used to do "the olympics" in the cul de sac for hours until our mothers dragged us home. And their wasn't an ounce of wasted flesh on a single one of us.

Drugs ? No shit drugs are bad..that's an easy sell and every authority figure in their life is on board. And thankfully for me she is taking after her mom in that regard and is not interested.

Its the food that everyone turns a blind eye to

I agree with everything in this post. Again, once you had made clear your position by your first statement then all was, well.... clear.

Though we probably all agree that it's gets down to individual responsibility one can't deny the tremendous power of peer and environmental influence.

[pellius]

Keep families out of this argument, you know the rules.

Oh brother.

[Simple Simon]

So pellius lets clear it up.
Do you have trouble with people selling narcotics?
Do you have trouble with people lying about it?

[pellius]

Fucking hilarious!!  LOL 

What's hilarious is when WW, a 32 year old, broken down, drug addicted, midget with girly hands tries so desperately to convince everybody that he's a bad ass. And notice after all these years bragging about himself  (pro level chest) he never has posted a pic. No matter what he says, he's really afraid that gh15, or anyone of us, or even LE, will come after him.

(This should warrant maybe two separate melt down threads.)

[Simple Simon]

What's hilarious is when WW, a 32 year old, broken down, drug addicted, midget with girly hands tries so desperately to convince everybody that he's a bad ass. And notice after all these years bragging about himself  (pro level chest) he never has posted a pic. No matter what he says, he's really afraid that gh15, or anyone of us, or even LE, will come after him.

(This should warrant maybe two separate melt down threads.)

He certainly owns a large portion of your mind.

[pellius]

So after careful deliberation you have decided to change tack, a wise move as you were talking bollocks before.
Now you have issues with him denying it?
What do you expect a drug dealer to do, admit it?

Come on pellius get real.

You're not that sharp are you?

(Guys, is this that UKJeff guy I think it was bigmc talking about?)

[pellius]

So the use of either is acceptable its just the abuse you find unacceptable?
So what has that got to do with people selling either?

Nothing.

[Simple Simon]

You're not that sharp are you?

(Guys, is this that UKJeff guy I think it was bigmc talking about?)

Sharp enough to tie you in a fucking knot, go back and read your posts.
You started off saying you hated drug dealers selling narcotics, then floundered when it was made clear it was down to the individual and not the seller when it was compared to fast food outlets.

You just dont like WW because for some reason he occupies your mind.
Fuck him and get on with your life.

[pellius]

So pellius lets clear it up.
Do you have trouble with people selling narcotics?
Do you have trouble with people lying about it?

I am for the legalization of all drugs. I am generally oppose to lying. As I clearly explained, my issue with WW is... you know, just go back and read the post, I'm not going to repeat it.

But because many tend to read in more than what I write I'll make it crystal clear: just because I want something legal doesn't mean I approve of it. I may want prostitution to be legal but that mean I would encourage anyone to pursue that as a career.

[pellius]

Sharp enough to tie you in a fucking knot, go back and read your posts.
You started off saying you hated drug dealers selling narcotics, then floundered when it was made clear it was down to the individual and not the seller when it was compared to fast food outlets.

You just dont like WW because for some reason he occupies your mind.
Fuck him and get on with your life.

Yeah, I'm dying here. I feel so... knotted.

I said I "hated" drug dealers. Why do people just make things up out of thin air?

I think it is clear to everyone that I am the one occupying your mind. "Get on with my life." LOL!
I had no idea I was owning the mind of someone that I never even noticed before.
Is there any other advice you'd like to give me before I "get on with my life"?