Gh15? Who was GH15?

[cephissus]

great posts pellius.  i've always wondered the same thing about insulin.

and for that matter, creatine too!  i mean, i realize we rely on suspect "explanations" a lot in our daily life, but no one ever seems to be able to explain what creatine is supposed to do. 

"It fills your cells with more water!"  Okay?

"It makes you stronger!" And what does this have to do with hypertrophy?

"It lets you get more reps before your muscle fatigues!"  See above.

[JasonH]

GH15 is an interesting guy no doubt and brings a lot of traffic to the boards. Some of his posts I like, some I don't.

But I still maintain what I said in the beginning - that he's not a pro. Just a very clever gimmick account.

[tbombz]

When do you take it?
depends on the kind. with shorter acting you would use it with meals and before training as well.  with long acting (24 hour) it doesnt matter.

What kind?
 long acting is to be prefered over short acting, both at the same time would be even better.

How much?
depends on the individual, start low and work your way up. with short acting you can start with 5iu. long acting 50iu. you can go as high as 40iu short acting per meal as long as you keep blood sugar in check and 150iu or more with long acting.

 Is there an ideal insulin iu/carb ratio, and if so, what is it?
as few carbs as you can consume without going hypo.

 Is there an ideal insulin/HGH ration? Meaning if you take X amount of insulin do you have to take Y amount HGH?
no, use as much gh as you can afford and as much insulin as you see fit. if looking for extreme mass without worry of quality go as high as you can tolerate. if trying to preserve the classic look stick with low doses.


 And, seriously, how does insulin work? I mean, I know it shuttles nutrients (glucose) into the cells but so what? Your body does that anyway. No matter how many carbs you consume your body (assuming you are healthy) will always produce the necessary amount of insulin to process the carbs. Why does adding more make any difference at all? I mean, 100 grams of carbs are going to be processed and shuttled one way or another. Either by you own insulin or whatever amount you pin. Some say that by shooting insulin you shuttle those nutrients faster. Maybe so, but so what? How does shuttling nutrients into your cells faster increase muscle mass. Maybe you'll recover a bit faster but what is the relationship and effects on muscle mass.

insulin is not so much an anabolic hormone as it is an anti catabolic hormone. it decreases protein breakdown. in addition it shuttles nutrients and signals several growth factors. why does shooting extra work? for some guys it doesnt, these guys already produce a shit load and arent very sensitive. for the guys it does work, its because their body is sensitive to slin and therefore doesnt produce as much as it could benefit from.

[tbombz]

great posts pellius.  i've always wondered the same thing about insulin.

and for that matter, creatine too!  i mean, i realize we rely on suspect "explanations" a lot in our daily life, but no one ever seems to be able to explain what creatine is supposed to do. 

"It fills your cells with more water!"  Okay?

"It makes you stronger!" And what does this have to do with hypertrophy?

"It lets you get more reps before your muscle fatigues!"  See above.

are you serious? you dont see why increasing strength and decreasing fatigue would be benefical for muscle growth?

[pellius]

are you serious? you dont see why increasing strength and decreasing fatigue would be benefical for muscle growth?

Tbombz, come on! Just shut up already! You know these questions weren't directed to you. We already know you have all the answers to everything. The question was directed at those who claim gh15 says nothing new. It's all common knowledge. I want to hear what these geniuses claim.

Here's nothing question for Big Worm/Delta (and please Tbombz try to refrain from showing off and always drawing attention to yourself).

One of the problems with long ester test (cyp/enanthate) is water retention. Many, including gh15, recommend Test prop. The reason given is that it's short acting. It's in and out faster. That doesn't make sense to me. If I give myself 750mg enanthate per week after about, say, a month, I'll have a certain blood level. If I give myself 100mg prop/wk won't the blood levels still be about the same? I mean you are getting a constant daily supply and it's not like it's in and out of your body. In fact, it might be higher with the prop because the shorter ester allows more usable(?) test to be available. And if the shorter ester is the reason there is less water retention then why not use TNE or Test Suspension which is the fastest acting of them all because it has no ester? Why is it that TNE/Suspension has a reputation of bloating you far more than prop or enanthate?

Anxiously awaiting your common knowledge to these questions.

[apply85]

Tbombz, come on! Just shut up already! You know these questions weren't directed to you. We already know you have all the answers to everything. The question was directed at those who claim gh15 says nothing new. It's all common knowledge. I want to hear what these geniuses claim.

Here's nothing question for Big Worm/Delta (and please Tbombz try to refrain from showing off and always drawing attention to yourself).

One of the problems with long ester test (cyp/enanthate) is water retention. Many, including gh15, recommend Test prop. The reason given is that it's short acting. It's in and out faster. That doesn't make sense to me. If I give myself 750mg enanthate per week after about, say, a month, I'll have a certain blood level. If I give myself 100mg prop/wk won't the blood levels still be about the same? I mean you are getting a constant daily supply and it's not like it's in and out of your body. In fact, it might be higher with the prop because the shorter ester allows more usable(?) test to be available. And if the shorter ester is the reason there is less water retention then why not use TNE or Test Suspension which is the fastest acting of them all because it has no ester? Why is it that TNE/Suspension has a reputation of bloating you far more than prop or enanthate?

Anxiously awaiting your common knowledge to these questions.

You think 750mg/week of test e will give you the same test levels as 100mg prop? Wtf is usable test? Long ester test will always give you a higher test blood level because it stays in longer. There's no difference between a compound staying in longer or taking more of the compound, just like increasing protein synthesis is the same thing as decreasing muscle break down. Also, all 750mg of the test e will at one point become test prop as it passes through the livers and carbons are taken off the molecule, difference being that before it was test prop is was all the other esters between test e and test prop.

Also, I have a suspicion that tne causes so much water retention because blood levels are so inconsistent... notice retention from hgh works same way, once you take it for a while it goes down, same thing with dianabol. Consistency of blood concentration and water retention seem to go hand in hand for watever reason, probably because the body adjusts itself to find a new homeostasis

[pellius]

You think 750mg/week of test e will give you the same test levels as 100mg prop? Wtf is usable test? Long ester test will always give you a higher test blood level because it stays in longer. There's no difference between a compound staying in longer or taking more of the compound, just like increasing protein synthesis is the same thing as decreasing muscle break down. Also, all 750mg of the test e will at one point become test prop as it passes through the livers and carbons are taken off the molecule, difference being that before it was test prop is was all the other esters between test e and test prop.

Also, I have a suspicion that tne causes so much water retention because blood levels are so inconsistent... notice retention from hgh works same way, once you take it for a while it goes down, same thing with dianabol. Consistency of blood concentration and water retention seem to go hand in hand for watever reason, probably because the body adjusts itself to find a new homeostasis

Once again, the question was not directed at you. I'm asking Delta/Big Worm who claim that gh15 says nothing new. It's all common knowledge.

An ester takes up space. 200 mg of test cyp is not 200mg of actual Test. 100 mg of TNE is in fact 100mg of Test because it has no ester. I will allow Tbombz to explain this in further detail as this where he shines. I also think he will dispute your other claims "long esters will ALWAYS give you higher levels." So if one person A takes a 200mg shot of Test E and his identical twin B takes a 200mg shot of TNE then person A will have higher blood levels 4 hours later as person B?   And what is this: "Test E will become Test Prop."

OK, Tbombz, make yourself useful now.

[cephissus]

are you serious? you dont see why increasing strength and decreasing fatigue would be benefical for muscle growth?

No, I don't.  Would you care to enlighten me?

[apply85]

Once again, the question was not directed at you. I'm asking Delta/Big Worm who claim that gh15 says nothing new. It's all common knowledge.

An ester takes up space. 200 mg of test cyp is not 200mg of actual Test. 100 mg of TNE is in fact 100mg of Test because it has no ester. I will allow Tbombz to explain this in further detail as this where he shines. I also think he will dispute your other claims "long esters will ALWAYS give you higher levels." So if one person A takes a 200mg shot of Test E and his identical twin B takes a 200mg shot of TNE then person A will have higher blood levels 4 hours later as person B?   And what is this: "Test E will become Test Prop."

OK, Tbombz, make yourself useful now.

The liver strips off the esters, when it passes it goes down to the next ester, instead of 9 carbons is has 8, get it? And the weight of an ester is tiny compared to longer ester staying in longer in ur body

[chess315]

is lantus prescription in the us? from what i understand it is one of the most under rated bodybuilding drugs never used it but its supposed to hit the igf1 receptor to which would be like having a small gh effect without anything but the slin

[Benny B]

GH15 is an interesting guy no doubt and brings a lot of traffic to the boards. Some of his posts I like, some I don't.

But I still maintain what I said in the beginning - that he's not a pro. Just a very clever gimmick account.

So "clever" that no pro EVER comes here to challenge him, even the pros that post here regularly like Bob Chick and Steve Namat. Hell, some pros even openly ask Nasser/Dennis for advice on how to use certain drugs right here on getbig.

If he is a "gimmick", he's one well respected gimmick among the IFBB/top NPC members who ALL read this board.

[pellius]

The liver strips off the esters, when it passes it goes down to the next ester, instead of 9 carbons is has 8, get it? And the weight of an ester is tiny compared to longer ester staying in longer in ur body

I don't think it works that way. Where did you get this information? As I understand it, the ester will notably lower the water solubility of the steroid, and increase its lipid (fat) solubility. This will cause the drug to form a deposit in the muscle tissue, from which it will slowly enter into circulation as it is picked up in small quantities by the blood. Generally, the longer the ester chain, the lower the water solubility of the compound, and the longer it will take to for the full dosage to reach general circulation. Enanthate doesn't eventually turn into Prop. It doesn't start to become more fast acting the longer it stays in your body.

[Benny B]

NO ONE has more invested in Nasser/Alex23's "gh15" character than our friend with the Chernobyl tan and bloated-yet-stringy physique, "pellius". 

Has your apartment ever been ransacked again by a DEA style raid after a steroid package was shipped to your door "pellius?"   

[apply85]

I don't think it works that way. Where did you get this information? As I understand it, the ester will notably lower the water solubility of the steroid, and increase its lipid (fat) solubility. This will cause the drug to form a deposit in the muscle tissue, from which it will slowly enter into circulation as it is picked up in small quantities by the blood. Generally, the longer the ester chain, the lower the water solubility of the compound, and the longer it will take to for the full dosage to reach general circulation. Enanthate doesn't eventually turn into Prop. It doesn't start to become more fast acting the longer it stays in your body.

What information, the liver strips off a carbon every time it passes through, this is how I've always understood it, could be wrong I'm wrong all the time lol

[pellius]

NO ONE has more invested in Nasser/Alex23's "gh15" character than our friend with the Chernobyl tan and bloated-yet-stringy physique, "pellius". 

Has your apartment ever been ransacked again by a DEA style raid after a steroid package was shipped to your door "pellius?"   

LOL@ "invested."

I never for a nano second believed Nasser was gh15 let alone Alex. And I live in a house, by the beach, in Hawaii -- which has an average cost of $750,000 for a single family home (I mention this because I know what a materialistic status seeker you are).

And as far as my physique: You know, I know and everybody on this board knows that even at 51 years of age you don't come even remotely close to my level of development and condition. That's why you've never posted a pic. You make excuses that you don't want to be identified (block out your face genius) or that we'll all jack off to your beautiful body (only in your dreams). The real reason is that you are simply not in any kind of shape.

But that's our own little Benny B: the militant, chip on the shoulder, Kneegrow, who sees everything through the prism of race and supports Obama solely because of his skin color.
 

[pellius]

What information, the liver strips off a carbon every time it passes through, this is how I've always understood it, could be wrong I'm wrong all the time lol

Truly, I'm not sure either. This is a job for Van B.

[apply85]

Truly, I'm not sure either. This is a job for Van B.

How can I be wrong though? I mean, it has to work this way, the liver strips off a carbon one by one each time it passes, this is the role of an ester as far as I know

[L.L]

it doestn matter who he is, pro or not. ..He' s the God of Hormones and we all thanful he's speaking the truth. 

[Benny B]

LOL@ "invested."

I never for a nano second believed Nasser was gh15 let alone Alex. And I live in a house, by the beach, in Hawaii -- which has an average cost of $750,000 for a single family home (I mention this because I know what a materialistic status seeker you are).

LOL...Oh, brother. 

You don't know the first thing about me...yet you know I am a "materialistic status seeker." Riiiiight.
Check out "pellius" attempting to reinvent his persona on getbig.   

[DK II]

LOL...Oh, brother. 

You don't know the first thing about me...yet you know I am a "materialistic status seeker." Riiiiight.
Check out "pellius" attempting to reinvent his persona on getbig.   

STFU, "Benny".

[Meso_z]

bignobs
you have as many brain cells as Bombaty's akita

So be a good dog and  go lye down on your owners bed, and rub one off his leg and tell him to stop being a pussy and come on here. Dont try independent thinking as akitas or indians are not equipped for that

Just get your owner online and then fuck off back to the dog house

[pellius]

LOL...Oh, brother.  

You don't know the first thing about me...yet you know I am a "materialistic status seeker." Riiiiight.
Check out "pellius" attempting to reinvent his persona on getbig.    

Yes, "LOL, oh brother." We know, I know, a lot about you by how you portray yourself here after all these years and over ten thousand posts. You're a democrat, a lib, a typical militant Black that sees everything through the prism of race and you are very, very materialistic and status conscious. Read back on your insults just to me. How your garage is bigger than my whole house, how I don't make a lot of money, I have a low status job, horrible physique.... Its same old thing.

Just look at your last post, still the same comments about living in an apartment when I have posted many pics of where I do live and about my skin color and the "stringy yet bloated physique." You so want to believe that even though you know it's not true just to feel that you are better than me. Again status conscious. Fact, even at 51 years old, you are no where near my physical condition and physique. Not ever remotely close. At least that's one aspect that easily verifiable.

Benny, we've elected Obama. And it's still not enough. You still think this is a racist country. Not to say that racism doesn't exist. But it's one thing to say that there are still a lot of individual racist and that there is institutionalized racism.

People are just getting tired of your kind: That militant, chip on the shoulder, Nation of Islam, Reverend Wright, angry, bitter Neegro. You only make it worse for everybody. And mostly worse for you. Yeah, "Fight The Power."

BTW, why do you always put my name in quotes? Is there some kind of joke or insult there that I'm missing?

Cue either meltdown pic or baby crying pic.
 

[GroinkTropin]

How can I be wrong though? I mean, it has to work this way, the liver strips off a carbon one by one each time it passes, this is the role of an ester as far as I know

Wrong. The ester is a chain of fats. When you inject the steroid IM it creates a small depot. From there this depot is acted upon by the erasterase enzyme, present in most tissues. As this enzyme breaks down the fatty chain the steroid contained within is released into your bloodstream. The longer esters take longer to be broken down (metabolized) by your body. Pretty simple and straightforward actually.

[pellius]

Wrong. The ester is a chain of fats. When you inject the steroid IM it creates a small depot. From there this depot is acted upon by the erasterase enzyme, present in most tissues. As this enzyme breaks down the fatty chain the steroid contained within is released into your bloodstream. The longer esters take longer to be broken down (metabolized) by your body. Pretty simple and straightforward actually.

This how I always understood it. It doesn't keep recycling through your body over and over "stripping off esters." It's the "depot" concept that I understood. Same reason why water base hits you hard and fast. Even if the oil is no ester like TNE it still doesn't compare to suspension because TNE is still in oil (fat).

[dyslexic]

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