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Re: GH15 - Who is he? Is he a pro? Why believe him?
« Reply #8100 on: January 28, 2014, 02:52:50 PM »
Welp, at least we had apply here claiming money from auctions went into gh15's pocket rather than being invested in servers (or whatever).
Strango is also lining up 35 pc auctions now to "help improving security".
That, plus the regular donations all sources and coaches have to make (of course to pay for the website...).

In other words: I wouldn't be shocked.

That is absolutely wrong. You just made that up. Apply said the exact opposite. Go back on this thread and read how people actually knew those that received donations in real life.

When you just simply make up a bald face lie you don't promote your cause.

It's quite common on both boards for people to bend the truth. It's actually rare when someone just states a plain lie. A lie that can be verifiably disproved and has been disproved.

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« Reply #8101 on: January 28, 2014, 02:54:47 PM »
That is absolutely wrong. You just made that up. Apply said the exact opposite. Go back on this thread and read how people actually knew those that received donations in real life.

When you just simply make up a bald face lie you don't promote your cause.

It's quite common on both boards for people to bend the truth. It's actually rare when someone just states a plain lie. A lie that can be verifiably disproved and has been disproved.

I am talking about auctions, not donations.

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Should I be wrong about that, too, I apologize profusely and profoundly. I am near 99% positive that's what he said about the money for gear that was auctioned off, though.

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« Reply #8102 on: January 28, 2014, 02:58:00 PM »
That is absolutely wrong. You just made that up. Apply said the exact opposite. Go back on this thread and read how people actually knew those that received donations in real life.

When you just simply make up a bald face lie you don't promote your cause.

It's quite common on both boards for people to bend the truth. It's actually rare when someone just states a plain lie. A lie that can be verifiably disproved and has been disproved.
Perhaps you can explain why GH15 would threaten to ban wes for telling people to use pharma grade as opposed to strango then?

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« Reply #8103 on: January 28, 2014, 03:03:42 PM »
I am talking about auctions, not donations.

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Should I be wrong about that, too, I apologize profusely and profoundly. I am near 99% positive that's what he said about the money for gear that was auctioned off, though.

No clue. Lean's personality was that of an accountant. Just did what he thought was his job. He reminded me of Dwight from the office... not to try to insult the guy, but you know, that type of personality. He still got paid pennies.. like a couple hundred dollars/month. The whole thing was about money for gh15. He claimed to be taking money and giving to his secret elfs but it was obviously for him. He was not the wealthy person he tried to make himself out to be.

Gh15 issued threats because thats what the character he created would do. Then people like omr used that against him. Even gh15 doesnt take his own threats as seriously as other people did, which is hilarious, because if you took a look at his site you would know it's a very bare bones thing done with no money because he has no money to do it with.

(Emphasis added)

I thought there was something more explicit about the money from auctions, but I didn't find it right now. So again, my apologies if I was wrong.

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Re: GH15 - Who is he? Is he a pro? Why believe him?
« Reply #8104 on: January 28, 2014, 03:04:49 PM »
Thanks for that.
So if gh15 threatened to ban wes for hurting those sales by telling people to use something else its hardly going to be a surprise?

Im struggling as to why wes keeps missing the point.
I`m wes..............."Wez" is Ken,just to clarify.

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« Reply #8105 on: January 28, 2014, 03:07:03 PM »
I`m wes..............."Wez" is Ken,just to clarify.

Princess L with a stupid name change........picking on us old guys!  :D


Sorry wes.   :-[

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« Reply #8106 on: January 28, 2014, 03:08:34 PM »
Sorry wes.   :-[
No problem bud,just clarifying as it can be confusing if no one is aware.

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« Reply #8107 on: January 28, 2014, 03:11:58 PM »
OK, back to my essay on some of the insights into the gh15 board.

One of the many discussions I've had with gh15 is the subject about his credibility. He has to back up his talk and he has to be consistent. You can get away with some but it won't fly forever. And you have to at least try to cover yourself a bit. Don't make it so damn obvious and easy for people to point out how your word means nothing. Like if he said that generic gh isn't close to pharm grade and you will never be a top tier pro using generics people would buy it. But when you go from praising certain generic gh. When you praise the source as an angel and savior to bodybuilding and then six months later calling it poison. Claiming that it makes you lactate. That it has put people in the hospitals and on dialysis. And furthermore, you make one exception, only one type of generics is acceptable, and that's the one you just happen to sell.

He has stated for years now that White Widow is the "Walking Dead" that LE is right on his tail and his days are numbered. After ESF exposed him how much more does LE need? I'm sure something bad will happen to WW as they will at some point happen to all of us. Then gh15 will take credit for it. Just like he implied he had something to do with Grizzly's suicide and JuiceAuthority's father dying. He has claimed for years that this is a dying board. That this board is under DEA investigation. That Ron is being watched and his days are number (more like his decades are numbered). Mind you, it's not ProfessionalMuscle being watched, it's not Outlawmuscle muscle being watched, it's not BigA whose days are numbered -- it's GetBig and a photographer, Ron Avidian.

Remember that post bigmc just recently posted where gh15 is giving another one of his warnings? How long ago was that? What came of it? Nothing. Nobody even remembers it. bigmc posted it about two days ago and I already forgot it. It just goes to show how powerful gh15's words are.

bigmc, can you post that warning again because I'm sure everybody else forgot it or didn't even notice it.

So often I have spoken to gh15 how important credibility is. You don't have to be liked, you don't have to have anybody agree with you. But you have to have credibility. You have to be consistent in your claims. You have to back up you claims. You have to be willing to admit when you are wrong. When you are proved to be wrong. Why didn't gh15 see this?

I'll tell you why.

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Re: GH15 - Who is he? Is he a pro? Why believe him?
« Reply #8108 on: January 28, 2014, 03:15:10 PM »
I am talking about auctions, not donations.

/e

Should I be wrong about that, too, I apologize profusely and profoundly. I am near 99% positive that's what he said about the money for gear that was auctioned off, though.

Oh, OK.

I know nothing about where the money went to auctions. If Apply said it went to the board or gh15's pocket then I see no reason why he would lie. People here don't like Apply but he doesn't lie.

Anyway, I misunderstood your post. Sorry about that. And about that post about calling you a liar and all.

Nevermind.

* takes foot out of mouth *

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Re: GH15 - Who is he? Is he a pro? Why believe him?
« Reply #8109 on: January 28, 2014, 03:23:22 PM »
I`m wes..............."Wez" is Ken,just to clarify.

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Wes it was Butterbean.

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« Reply #8110 on: January 28, 2014, 03:24:47 PM »
...screw this gh15 talk, can we chat about Vince Goodrum instead?


How thick is his penis?

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« Reply #8111 on: January 28, 2014, 03:28:04 PM »
Perhaps you can explain why GH15 would threaten to ban wes for telling people to use pharma grade as opposed to strango then?

Thank you Simon......I have an opinion on what gear I like. Telling me I can't have that doesn't wash. I have nothing against Private but I prefer Galenika or Bayer Test. It's like the pharma GH...First Serostim was the shit...Humatrope sucked....then Genotropin was the shit now it's Saizen.....it's like watching the never ending moving card trick.

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Re: GH15 - Who is he? Is he a pro? Why believe him?
« Reply #8112 on: January 28, 2014, 03:29:06 PM »
Wes it was Butterbean.
Oh,my bad.....I`ll have to talk to her about that.  ;)

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Re: GH15 - Who is he? Is he a pro? Why believe him?
« Reply #8113 on: January 28, 2014, 03:31:04 PM »
Oh,my bad.....I`ll have to talk to her about that.  ;)

She thinks I am cute.....

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Re: GH15 - Who is he? Is he a pro? Why believe him?
« Reply #8114 on: January 28, 2014, 03:31:59 PM »
You fucking guys take this shit way too seriously.


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« Reply #8115 on: January 28, 2014, 03:34:01 PM »
She thinks I am cute.....
I think you`re pretty hot too sweetie!  LOL  ;D

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« Reply #8116 on: January 28, 2014, 03:36:14 PM »
I think you`re pretty hot too sweetie!  LOL  ;D

( no blatant homo )

Awwww..thanks Wes......it's nice to be noticed.

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« Reply #8117 on: January 28, 2014, 03:37:13 PM »
Awwww..thanks Wes......it's nice to be noticed.
LOL  ;D


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« Reply #8118 on: January 28, 2014, 03:45:52 PM »
I like to quote the English Catholic historian, politician, and writer, Lord Acton when he said,
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

That's what makes the American Democracy so great. There's a division of powers. No one has absolute power. Sure the President has a lot of power but as much as he wants he can't do anything he wants. Yes, Obama was able to pass the Affordable Care Act, i.e., ObamaCare, but he couldn't do it alone and it's allowed to be fought every step on the way by the opposition and may still be over turned. Even someone like Bush, generally consider a modest man, took his power for granted when he tried to appoint Harriet Miers which was roundly denounced and over turned.

The division of powers is what keeps people in line. It's not perfect but it's better than a monarchy which Americans instinctively, innately, abhors. This country was founded by those escaping prosecution and tyranny so it's encoded in the American DNA.

When you look back in history what has been the downfall of great leaders, leaders even greater than gh15, who had absolute power?

When you literally can do anything you want. Have people killed with just a word and a pen. When you can take anything and everything you want. When you are surrounded by grovelling sychophants 24/7 that never tell you the real truth. They only tell you what you want to hear. You become infatuated with yourself. You buy into your own hype. You become so full of yourself that you do start to believe you are a god. You believe that you are part of destiny and that not only are you better than everybody else, but you are divinely chosen to be better than everybody else.

The death of all all-powerful leaders is HUBRIS. That particular type of arrogance that leads one to believe and to act like they can do anything you want. That you are above the laws you make yourself. And because no one one will call you on this, usually due to fear, so you actually believe you are above everything. Above everybody else.

That's why I always said that GetBig was good for gh15. He didn't have absolute power and was called on his shit daily and was force to defend himself. GetBig brought out the best in gh15 and he was at his best when he was on here.

I wasn't the only that noticed how much he started to change when he got his own board. Got more full of himself, more conceited, more jealous of others that he thought (imagined) was profiting off his name. He became more and more like a tyrant. Forbiding certain words or subjects to even be metioned. Becoming more and more like an insufferable dictator. Barking out arbitrary orders and new rules on a whim. "Humatropin makes me hold water. It is not longer allowed on this board and no longer allowed to be discussed." Telling people where they can and cannot post and employing people to monitor other boards and report back to him the outside activities of his "pupils". You don't think people didn't notice this? Who does shit like this? It was always astonishing to me how dumb gh15 thought his "pupils' were. But how would he know any better when he was rarely questioned or challenged? He had no clue what the majority of his members thought of him. When he says things like, "Phil Heath, a pupil of mine...."  

So why does this matter? How does this relate to the three groups previously mentioned. How does this relate to all these posting of pictures, threats, bounties and why it wasn't taken as seriously there as it was here. Why I didn't pay much attention to it and only deleted entries when someone brought it to my attention because I simply didn't pay any attention to it. Well, I'll tell you why.

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Re: GH15 - Who is he? Is he a pro? Why believe him?
« Reply #8119 on: January 28, 2014, 03:46:53 PM »
I like to quote the English Catholic historian, politician, and writer, Lord Acton when he said,
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

That's what makes the American Democracy so great. There's a division of powers. No one has absolute power. Sure the President has a lot of power but as much as he wants he can't do anything he wants. Yes, Obama was able to pass the Affordable Care Act, i.e., ObamaCare, but he couldn't do it alone and it's allowed to be fought every step on the way by the opposition and may still be over turned. Even someone like Bush, generally consider a modest man, took his power for granted when he tried to appoint Harriet Miers which was roundly denounced and over turned.

The division of powers is what keeps people in line. It's not perfect but it's better than a monarchy which Americans instinctively, innately, abhors. This country was founded by those escaping prosecution and tyranny so it's encoded in the American genes.

When you look back in history what has been the downfall of great leaders, leaders even greater than gh15, who had absolute power?

When you literally can do anything you want. Have people killed with just a word and a pen. When you can take anything and everything you want. When you are surrounded by grovelling sychophants 24/7 that never tell you the real truth. They only tell you what you want to hear. You become infatuated with yourself. You buy into your own hype. You become so full of yourself that you do start to believe you are a god. You believe that you are part of destiny and that not only are you better than everybody else, but you are divinely chosen to be better than everybody else.

The death of all all-powerful leaders is HUBRIS. That particular type of arrogance that leads one to believe and to act like they can do anything you want. That you are above the laws you make yourself. And because no one one will call you on this, usually due to fear, so you actually believe you are above everything. Above everybody else.

That's why I always said that GetBig was good for gh15. He didn't have absolute power and was called on his shit daily and was force to defend himself. GetBig brought out the best in gh15 and he was at his best when he was on here.

I wasn't the only that noticed how much he started to change when he got his own board. Got more full of himself, more conceited, more jealous of others that he thought (imagined) was profiting off his name. He became more and more like a tyrant. Forbiding certain words or subjects to even be metioned. Becoming more and more like an insufferable tyrant. Barking out arbitrary orders and new rules on a whim. "Humatropin makes me hold water. It is not longer allowed on this board and no longer allowed to be discussed." Telling people where they can and cannot post and employing people to monitor other boards and report back to him the outside activities of his "pupils". You don't think people didn't notice this? Who does shit like this? It was always astonishing to me how dumb gh15 thought his "pupils' were. But how would he know any better when he was rarely questioned or challenged? He had no clue what the majority of his members thought of him. When he says things like, "Phil Heath, a pupil of mine...."  

So why does this matter? How does this relate to the three groups previously mentioned. How does this relate to all these posting of pictures, threats, bounties and why it wasn't taken as seriously there as it was here. Why I didn't pay much attention to it and only deleted entries when someone brought it to my attention because I simply didn't pay any attention to it. Well, I'll tell you why.





Nice essay faggot

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Re: GH15 - Who is he? Is he a pro? Why believe him?
« Reply #8120 on: January 28, 2014, 03:57:49 PM »
Perhaps you can explain why GH15 would threaten to ban wes for telling people to use pharma grade as opposed to strango then?

It was Ken (Wez) and strango doesn't sell hgh.

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« Reply #8121 on: January 28, 2014, 04:01:29 PM »
Thank you Simon......I have an opinion on what gear I like. Telling me I can't have that doesn't wash. I have nothing against Private but I prefer Galenika or Bayer Test. It's like the pharma GH...First Serostim was the shit...Humatrope sucked....then Genotropin was the shit now it's Saizen.....it's like watching the never ending moving card trick.

And gh15 just had no idea, no clue, to how much this damaged his credibility. His inner circle did not serve him well.

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« Reply #8122 on: January 28, 2014, 04:46:38 PM »
OK, let me tie this all together. Now, of course I know I've lost the majority of this board by the lengths of these posts because I know deep down most don't care. And that's how it should be. It's not that important or serious. Remember, we are talking bodybuilding. Just weight lifting and stuff. How it got to this point is staggering. But I decided to do it for posterity sake. Just to have it down somewhere. I was in a unique position because I've been with gh15 since day one. I followed all his posts and always had a separated tab open just so I never will miss a post. He's from my generation and I felt a certain bond with him and that we had so many similar values. Right down to the sacredness of dogs. Also, on his board I got a unique perspective because I was one of the original mods and therefore privy to a lot of the behind the scenes stuff on the board. Also, I developed a reputation as being fair and could be trusted and more and more members felt they could confide in me their feelings about the board and gh15 without any repercussions. It seem that word spread and I was in private communications with so many active and top tier members.

I believed that all three groups that I previously mentioned had one thing in common. When it came to bodybuilding: drugs, physiques, training, nutrition, politics, culture..., gh15 was pretty much on point and was listened to closely. That is what made gh15 gh15.

Bodybuilding notwithstanding there was another unspoken truth: and though guys like Lean, Bustin, and Admin will deny it; everybody, including them, will nod silently in agreement: when I say that gh15 is just a nut. A clueless nut. He's just not all there. I strain because I want to be very clear in what I mean when I say he is not all there. I don't mean in the sense that there is some mental deficiency in his brain. He's a very intelligent guy. But his mind is a little bit twisted and skewed and in many ways is simply incapable of rational thought. This is not to say that he is incapable of ALL rational thought. But when it concerns him, his ego, his "power", his destiny -- he truly is not all there. It's like if you were taught from birth that a certain race or ethnicity are not fully human, that they are closer to monkeys and want to kill you and eat your children and make pastries with the blood of your people. You will talk to them and they seem normal and even intelligent but then they'll go off about how a certain food is cooked with the blood of their people. That standing before you is a crazy person.

That's the kind of crazy I mean about gh15. It obvious that he was spoiled as a child. That he was given everything he wants. He always proclaims, "I always get what I want." That's the ranting of  child. That's why he is so obsessed with kigs. Whereas normal people have long ago accepted that this world was not designed to please and cater to them. That they will not get everything they want in life. Not gh15. His constant tantrums and spoon pounding and yearning and waxing on about "legit kigs" became very disturbing to everyone. At first it was like, "Yeah! Kigs. Finally the secret. The holy grail." Then it devolved into forced smiles finally giving way to rolling of the eyes and head shakes. Culminating into irrelevancy, dismissed and ignored. It is simply beyond gh15's comprehension that he is not getting something that he so desperately wants. Whereas normal people express their regret and move on, not gh15. He just keeps going on and on  and gets frustrated and angry when others aren't as passionate and don't join him on his "quest". As if people with jobs and families should strap on a back pack and head out into the world in search for kigs just so they can have a better body.

So one has to take into account the context of the situation.


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Re: GH15 - Who is he? Is he a pro? Why believe him?
« Reply #8123 on: January 28, 2014, 04:46:44 PM »
It was Ken (Wez) and strango doesn't sell hgh.

Pell, he Pmed to shut up about Galenika Test.

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« Reply #8124 on: January 28, 2014, 04:54:04 PM »
Pell, he Pmed to shut up about Galenika Test.

Who did? And how can anybody think they can tell you what to do?

gh15 had no idea how much damage he did to the board when he banned you. How much more credibility he lost.