Gh15? Who was GH15?

[Van_Bilderass]

who is the dork in your avi?

It's the legendary movie director Alejandro Jodorowsky. I thought that quote was funny 

[dr.chimps]

Slin depends on dose and how you use it. It's neither healthy or unhealthy, depends on context, just like endogenous insulin.

GH seems to really potentiate heart hypertrophy with steroids and the insulin resistance is bad long term. GH is worse for your insulin sensitivity than injecting insulin around training for example.

As far as gear it depends on your genetics and which risk factors you have. I can't rank them, I don't think anyone can, though test is of course natural to the body. Depends on genetics and dose etc.
Research says Deca may cause more damage than test to the cardiovascular system for example. Immunity is a complex issue too I suspect. Just because say Deca boosts some type of immunity it doesn't necessarily mean it's good. Maybe the greatest health risk of steroids is high blood pressure.

Hi, VB. Long time listener, first time caller: I'm thinking Ty rod Taylor is not the Bills .real. QB. Your thoughts?

[Van_Bilderass]

Hi, VB. Long time listener, first time caller: I'm thinking Ty rod Taylor is not the Bills .real. QB. Your thoughts?

I have no idea what you're talking about, I'm a Euro 

[illuminati]

Look at your English now. Lol

When was your last show?

You placed in the Olympia right? You claimed lol

Ifbb pro lol... Even ifbTHATs true, I know a couple ifbb pros who don't know DICK about anabolics and sell whatever I give them. Get by on genetics alone in their 40s doing high rep arm and chest/back workouts for 20mins a day and ppl believevwhatever they say.

But I doubt you're even their caliber.

This Twat hasnt competed ever

Its just a farce - No one knows him
i'm at Nabba universe in Birmingham
None of them have any time for his Bollocks
Most never even heard of this twat.

A good few Uk Ex IFBB pro's here.
No Doubt Silly Bollocks will Slag Me & them off
As some sort of Reply...

[dj181]

Slin depends on dose and how you use it. It's neither healthy or unhealthy, depends on context, just like endogenous insulin.

GH seems to really potentiate heart hypertrophy with steroids and the insulin resistance is bad long term. GH is worse for your insulin sensitivity than injecting insulin around training for example.

As far as gear it depends on your genetics and which risk factors you have. I can't rank them, I don't think anyone can, though test is of course natural to the body. Depends on genetics and dose etc.
Research says Deca may cause more damage than test to the cardiovascular system for example. Immunity is a complex issue too I suspect. Just because say Deca boosts some type of immunity it doesn't necessarily mean it's good. Maybe the greatest health risk of steroids is high blood pressure.

thanks dude, its all dose dependant i guess

 400 mg of deca is healthier than 2 grams

superized that gh is lese healthly than slin

[Van_Bilderass]

superized that gh is lese healthly than slin

I wouldn't necessarily say that exactly. It's all in how you use them. I mean it's easy to induce insulin resistance with gh, that's part of why it causes you to "burn" fat. If you only use low doses of insulin say before workouts it's only active for a couple of hours in the case of Humalog or Novolog. That's unlikely to be very unhealthy. But if you start using massive doses round the clock then things change. But people doing high doses of gh will get insulin resistance along with higher blood glucose which over time is bad if you don't do anything about it.

So it's kind of hard to say which drug is more unhealthy.

[WalterWhite]

Slin depends on dose and how you use it. It's neither healthy or unhealthy, depends on context, just like endogenous insulin.

GH seems to really potentiate heart hypertrophy with steroids and the insulin resistance is bad long term. GH is worse for your insulin sensitivity than injecting insulin around training for example.

As far as gear it depends on your genetics and which risk factors you have. I can't rank them, I don't think anyone can, though test is of course natural to the body. Depends on genetics and dose etc.
Research says Deca may cause more damage than test to the cardiovascular system for example. Immunity is a complex issue too I suspect. Just because say Deca boosts some type of immunity it doesn't necessarily mean it's good. Maybe the greatest health risk of steroids is high blood pressure.

Please post the study of GH causing or potentiating LVH?  Most studies show anabolic steroids combined with strenuous exercise can lead to wall thickening as well as heavy training. It's not always a bad thing, concentric cardiac hypertrophy can occur without systolic dysfunction or reduction in the ventricular cavity.

Another study I have posted often is one showing kidney damage in a bb subset of patients. This was done using biopsy and linked to BMI, diet and excessive steroid/supplement use.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2799287/#

[Van_Bilderass]

Please post the study of GH causing or potentiating LVH?  Most studies show anabolic steroids combined with strenuous exercise can lead to wall thickening as well as heavy training. It's not always a bad thing, concentric cardiac hypertrophy can occur without systolic dysfunction or reduction in the ventricular cavity.

Another study I have posted often is one showing kidney damage in a bb subset of patients. This was done using biopsy and linked to BMI, diet and excessive steroid/supplement use.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2799287/#

Remembered this small one. Will look more later.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12868044

[WalterWhite]

Remembered this small one. Will look more later.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12868044

Concomitant use of AAS and GH further increased LV mass and associated with concentric remodelling of LV. Multiple regression analysis indicated that the mean AAS dose accounted for 29 %, age for 14 % and systolic blood pressure for 17 % of the variance in LV mass. We concluded that AAS abuse associates dose-dependently with myocardial hypertrophy and that concomitant use of GH associates with concentric remodelling of the LV. Our findings suggest that AASs and GH have a direct effect on the myocardium.

Concomitant.  I think we can agree that this can be dose and BMI dependent just looking at these two studies. I agree with you that BP and BMI must be monitored and controlled to mitigate kidney/heart damage.  Regular blood work and heart monitoring are key. The study I posted has the largest cohort of bodybuilders in any combination of prospective and retrospective studies.

[dj181]

Please post the study of GH causing or potentiating LVH?  Most studies show anabolic steroids combined with strenuous exercise can lead to wall thickening as well as heavy training. It's not always a bad thing, concentric cardiac hypertrophy can occur without systolic dysfunction or reduction in the ventricular cavity.

Another study I have posted often is one showing kidney damage in a bb subset of patients. This was done using biopsy and linked to BMI, diet and excessive steroid/supplement use.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2799287/#

a high bmi even if it is mostly muscle is quite unhealthy yes?

of course its worse being a 300 pound fat fuck with 30% bodyfat

but it is also quite unhealthy being a 300 pound mass monster @ 10% bodyfat, right?

[ESFitness]

you demanded money with menace in a store armed with a gun

lets not try and make out you are some angel
Also the multiple DUIs does you no favours at all.

I didn't demand money with menace. Didn't even unholster my weapon. Guy was a bookie who happened to own a store. Even gave a guy a jumpstart in a blizzard as I was leaving. Got to the. Other town and even stopped 2 cops and a parking enforcement guy for directions of a building an hour later. If I'd robbed a place don't you think I'd be avoiding LE? Applied for an armed guard position (and hired on the spot) At that building. Was to start the wed i was arrested. Didn't find out i was wanted till the night before.found out my "buddy" who sent me there knew itnwouldngo south and was outside giving interviews live on tv during the standoff.

The duis? 1st I'd already been home for a good 15min (from the gym.. You think I'm training drunk?) Went outside to smoke a cigar when a cop pulled up. Keys in the house. Alcohol inn the house. Didn't drink till I Got home. Fight withncops etc... 2nd was at 7am & was already in alcohol withdrawal. Lady driving in middle of road. Thought she was parking went around her and scrapped her bumper when she pulled back. Bike cop was there within a min. Exchanged insurance info. Told me head home n park car (if I was drunk, why would he tell me to drive my car?). Downed 3 gulps of vodka inside. Car cop comes up 10mins later smells alcohol.

That's what happens when you use public defenders. I don't know ANYBODY who beat a case with one. Always a plea deal and conviction.

[gh15]

Have you heard of a forum member “BLP”?

his not regular member he is a pupil of mine for many years and he got the title legend a year or 2 ago,, im very familiar with him and he always stood by my side and a nice fella,, very good bodybuild and! he is a good person,,

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[ESFitness]

his not regular member he is a pupil of mine for many years and he got the title legend a year or 2 ago,, im very familiar with him and he always stood by my side and a nice fella,, very good bodybuild and! he is a good person,,

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Of like to hear his opinion of you today

[gh15]

Booze is very toxic but you can't say steroids are safer than narcotics as a rule. It's more complicated than that. Some narcotics aren't really toxic or cause organ damage and the danger has more to do with ODing and the general lifestyle associated with drugging, especially combined with being poor. Tons of very old people alive having been on prescribed narcotics for decades. In fact, it seems standard in old folks homes to keep them docile with narcotics, which isn't right or ethical but beside the point.

Nasser supposedly didn't do rec drugs. Don't know if true but let's say it was. He died early and it's unlikely PEDs didn't play a large role in that. Had he been a semi-sedentary rich dude on pharmaceutical heroin instead he might have lived a few decades longer, who knows

It's also true that the majority of pro bodybuilders do use narcotics, even if just sleeping pills and weed. It would be pretty hard to find that pro who never uses any narcotics ever. A pro blasting very heavy close to a show and chances are he'll reach for a few rec drugs for sleep etc.

wrong!

i personaly know many from my time who never touched narcotics.. me included

i also know some who did.. yes but they brought very bad name to bodybuild and fitness,,

the fact you blast a lot of hormones doesn't mean you need to use narcotics.. we are bodybuild we have all the time in the world if we are good we live off bodybuild and we have all the time of the world to rest and eat and sculpt ourselfs,,

this is first time i absolitly do not agree with you and you know i stood by you along the years eventhough you didnt come to gh15 on your van b name i still stood by you on here but narcotics have nothing to do with sports and should never be part of sport,,

you dont need narcotics to win o or to place top 10 and im the proof of it and many others at the proof of it,,

some fall to narcotics..
some get to bodybuild from narcotics.. or just addicts to begin with

but you dont need you do NOT! need narcotics to be a great bodybuild,, period end of case,,


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lion of Judah
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[gh15]

out of the anabolic matrix i.e. gear, slin, igf, epo, gh which is the least "healthy" long term use wise?

id say slin 1st then oral gear

also how would you rank the injects as far as most healthy?

Id say 1. Primo 2. Deca 3. Mast 4. Test 5. Eq 6. Tren

insulina by far,,

if yo ugo and use it with out fda gh and not just any fda gh but the higher quality ones the ones who really get the job done.. if you dont do it you will! suffer if long term use on a regular basis,,

as i said before insulina is the bad boy.. the cripple.. the elite cripple of hormones,,

fda gh like blue top saizen went to Harvard indeed
insulina spend a month with elite cripple in the local jail.. and never been to aany school.. infact insulina may very well be elite cripple.. lol


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[gh15]

This Twat hasnt competed ever

Its just a farce - No one knows him
i'm at Nabba universe in Birmingham
None of them have any time for his Bollocks
Most never even heard of this twat.

A good few Uk Ex IFBB pro's here.
No Doubt Silly Bollocks will Slag Me & them off
As some sort of Reply...

you are nothing,, you are a racist bitter muslim that lives in England.. uk..

you are mad tht you were thrown out of the gh15 site.. as simple as that.. no less and more more,,

gh15 approved

[dj181]

insulina by far,,

if yo ugo and use it with out fda gh and not just any fda gh but the higher quality ones the ones who really get the job done.. if you dont do it you will! suffer if long term use on a regular basis,,

as i said before insulina is the bad boy.. the cripple.. the elite cripple of hormones,,

fda gh like blue top saizen went to Harvard indeed
insulina spend a month with elite cripple in the local jail.. and never been to aany school.. infact insulina may very well be elite cripple.. lol


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[gh15]

Of like to hear his opinion of you today

i can show you an exchange he had with me this year.. so i would love to hear it too..

you are a liar! you are the one who has done nothing for bodybuild and fitness and in most liklhood if you are anything or anyone rode on my name and back,,

and worst thing is you are a narcotic user and dealer.. pill head for real.. what are you doing in athletics is beyond me,,

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[gh15]

one thing i will admit though

me and president Donald trump do hve very very very very similar personality,, i mean you cant find 2 more similar in personalitys than me and him,, it was always known to anyone who read me and knew him but it comes to strong now when he is in the highest civilian position in the west,,

really it is absilitly amazing how similar gh15 loj and president Donald trump are,, sometimes you sit and look at this phenomena and think to yourself that multiverse entanglement is proven right there,,

anyone who follow us.. anyone.. is in shock,, everey thing i did in 2005 he did a decade later in 2015.. like followed the path into controlling the west..

it i ssimply amazing and the hate he receives is about equal only in a much larger scale,, i went tru it for much longer time but he is having it rougher these days since its on such a large scale,,

it is crazy crazy crazy the resemblance in the 2.. president Donald j trump and the lion of Judah gh15,,

unbeliavble,, seriously unbeliavble and anyone who actually follow this can attest,,


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lion of Judah
bible index

[ESFitness]

insulina by far,,

if yo ugo and use it with out fda gh and not just any fda gh but the higher quality ones the ones who really get the job done.. if you dont do it you will! suffer if long term use on a regular basis,,

as i said before insulina is the bad boy.. the cripple.. the elite cripple of hormones,,

fda gh like blue top saizen went to Harvard indeed
insulina spend a month with elite cripple in the local jail.. and never been to aany school.. infact insulina may very well be elite cripple.. lol


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What happened to your English again?

[gh15]

^bring white widow back he atleast had some decency about him.. both of you were addicts but he was cute one you are a cripple,, lol
i make myself laugh ths is bad lol

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[NelsonMuntz]

I didn't demand money with menace. Didn't even unholster my weapon. Guy was a bookie who happened to own a store. Even gave a guy a jumpstart in a blizzard as I was leaving. Got to the. Other town and even stopped 2 cops and a parking enforcement guy for directions of a building an hour later. If I'd robbed a place don't you think I'd be avoiding LE? Applied for an armed guard position (and hired on the spot) At that building. Was to start the wed i was arrested. Didn't find out i was wanted till the night before.found out my "buddy" who sent me there knew itnwouldngo south and was outside giving interviews live on tv during the standoff.

The duis? 1st I'd already been home for a good 15min (from the gym.. You think I'm training drunk?) Went outside to smoke a cigar when a cop pulled up. Keys in the house. Alcohol inn the house. Didn't drink till I Got home. Fight withncops etc... 2nd was at 7am & was already in alcohol withdrawal. Lady driving in middle of road. Thought she was parking went around her and scrapped her bumper when she pulled back. Bike cop was there within a min. Exchanged insurance info. Told me head home n park car (if I was drunk, why would he tell me to drive my car?). Downed 3 gulps of vodka inside. Car cop comes up 10mins later smells alcohol.

That's what happens when you use public defenders. I don't know ANYBODY who beat a case with one. Always a plea deal and conviction.

Holy shit is there anything you have not done in your life? I am surprised you have told us that you are alluded to in those JFK files Trump released this week.

You haven't gone here yet either have you? or is this in fact just a photoshop and not real?

[ESFitness]

^bring white widow back he atleast had some decency about him.. both of you were addicts but he was cute one you are a cripple,, lol
i make myself laugh ths is bad lol

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How am I crippled again btw? I've been walking around like nothing happened for over a month now.

Your shit is fucking lame and weak.

By now we ALL know you're just here to set up another scam. Shit is just sad now

[ESFitness]

Holy shit is there anything you have not done in your life? I am surprised you have told us that you are alluded to in those JFK files Trump released this week.

You haven't gone here yet either have you? or is this in fact just a photoshop and not real?

You act like that's something new. I've talked about it plenty and since its NEW TO YOU it must be some bullshit right?

Get the fuck over yourself.

[gh15]

How am I crippled again btw? I've been walking around like nothing happened for over a month now.

Your shit is fucking lame and weak.

By now we ALL know you're just here to set up another scam. Shit is just sad now

the dudoniana doesn't get it.. i swear dj plse explain this to him


HE IS A CRIPPLE IN THE HEADDDDDDDD! not body you retard.. the HEAD!



wht accident is he talking about for god sake lol


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