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The term "moderate" muslim is a fallacy
« on: November 21, 2006, 02:59:38 PM »
See this story:
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2006/nov/22/yehey/top_stories/20061122top5.html

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A Muslim lawmaker on Monday night raged at a catering crewmember of a Chinese restaurant for serving her food with pork.

Rep. Faysah Dumarpa of Lanao del Sur reportedly slapped the crewmember, Virginia Fernando Altamirano, and held a bread knife at her.

More here: http://www.philstar.com/philstar/news200611226601.htm
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Re: The term "moderate" muslim is a fallacy
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2006, 11:30:39 PM »
bump. why no comments
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Re: The term "moderate" muslim is a fallacy
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2006, 12:55:37 AM »
How do you mean "fallacy"?

A moderate muslim is IMO a muslim who doesn't quite believe the Quran and is secular. How is that a "fallacy"?

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Re: The term "moderate" muslim is a fallacy
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2006, 12:57:17 AM »
Quote from: Hedgehog on November 23, 2006, 12:55:37 AM
How do you mean "fallacy"?

A moderate muslim is IMO a muslim who doesn't quite believe the Quran and is secular. How is that a "fallacy"?

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by your definition of "moderate muslim" the person remains muslim no more.
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Re: The term "moderate" muslim is a fallacy
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2006, 01:08:27 AM »
F A L L A C Y >:(
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Re: The term "moderate" muslim is a fallacy
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2006, 01:09:44 AM »
Quote from: latman on November 23, 2006, 01:08:27 AM
F A L L A C Y >:(
do u speaketh more than one word at a time biatch?
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Re: The term "moderate" muslim is a fallacy
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2006, 02:20:10 AM »
Quote from: haider on November 23, 2006, 12:57:17 AM
by your definition of "moderate muslim" the person remains muslim no more.

Exactly Haider...

So Hedge...

Next you'll be telling me Christians can believe Jesus wasn't the son of God and isn't mans saviour for dying on the cross for all our sins... And they're still Christians... ::)
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Re: The term "moderate" muslim is a fallacy
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2006, 03:28:20 AM »
Quote from: Nordic Superman on November 23, 2006, 02:20:10 AM
Exactly Haider...

So Hedge...

Next you'll be telling me Christians can believe Jesus wasn't the son of God and isn't mans saviour for dying on the cross for all our sins... And they're still Christians... ::)

That's not the same thing.

IMO, a modern day moderate, secular muslim believes in Allah and Muhammad (PBUH) as his Prophet "in some way".

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Re: The term "moderate" muslim is a fallacy
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2006, 04:15:52 AM »
Quote from: Hedgehog on November 23, 2006, 03:28:20 AM
That's not the same thing.

IMO, a modern day moderate, secular muslim believes in Allah and Muhammad (PBUH) as his Prophet "in some way".

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Yeah well, having an opinion that contradicts a FACT is just lunacy.

Muslims have to believe the koran is the word of God. No more discussion on the topic, your opinion is wrong brother.
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Re: The term "moderate" muslim is a fallacy
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2006, 06:16:36 AM »
Quote from: Nordic Superman on November 23, 2006, 04:15:52 AM
Yeah well, having an opinion that contradicts a FACT is just lunacy.

Muslims have to believe the koran is the word of God. No more discussion on the topic, your opinion is wrong brother.

I know full well that the Quran is, to the letter, the words of Allah.

They still believe they are Muslims though, that is the important part, they are considered "moderate" muslims.

You and I, along with orthodox muslims, can agree that they obviously aren't muslims since they don't follow or believe the Quran 100%. But they honestly believe themselve to be muslims.

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Re: The term "moderate" muslim is a fallacy
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2006, 06:19:39 AM »
Quote from: Hedgehog on November 23, 2006, 06:16:36 AM
I know full well that the Quran is, to the letter, the words of Allah.

They still believe they are Muslims though, that is the important part, they are considered "moderate" muslims.

You and I, along with orthodox muslims, can agree that they obviously aren't muslims since they don't follow or believe the Quran 100%. But they honestly believe themselve to be muslims.

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I honestly believe myself to be a T-Rex, therefore I am?

So, if some druggy on LSD honestly believes himself to be an orange whilst tripping and starts to peel his skin because of this... he's actually an orange?

Talking of fallacies ::)
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