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The backsliding of democracy in Russia.
« on: November 25, 2006, 12:57:02 PM »
Funny how you never hear that much about it in the media. First Putin locks that billionaire guy Kordovski up on trumped up charges because he is a Putin critic. Then Putin outlaws some kind of elections and puts his own guys in. Now that ex-KGB agent who also is very critical of Putin is mysteriously poisoned by some rare radioactive substance. Putin also is taking control of many areas of industry that were privatized and making them state property again.
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Re: The backsliding of democracy in Russia.
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2006, 01:07:17 PM »
Don't forget that journalist that was also very critical of Putin and she was gunned down.

The weird thing here is that almost no one is pointing the finger at Putin, except for the victims who directly accuse him and they always end up dead.

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Re: The backsliding of democracy in Russia.
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2006, 01:08:53 PM »
I smell bullshit. The guy had some bad sushi, and everyone automatically assumes Putin is to blame. Monster jumping to conclusions.
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Re: The backsliding of democracy in Russia.
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2006, 01:12:01 PM »
The man spoke of more than the dead journalist.

He was actively investigating the self-attacks that are blamed on the Chechnyans.

I'd type it all out if anyone cares, but if it'll be the normal dumbfucks hating on the truth they cannot understand, eh...


and brianX, the man's body had high levels of radiation and he died in 3 weeks.  Can you cite any cases in history where any kind of food poisoning results in high radiation levels in the body 3 weeks later?

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Re: The backsliding of democracy in Russia.
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2006, 01:39:48 PM »
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Re: The backsliding of democracy in Russia.
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2006, 01:41:47 PM »
HAHA, I can see shitting your pants from bad Sushi, but being radiated?  :o
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Re: The backsliding of democracy in Russia.
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2006, 02:10:46 PM »
Customers at a restaurant and an hotel visited by a poisoned ex-KGB officer will be tested for the radioactive substance that killed him, said health chiefs.

The Health Protection Agency called for people who had been to the Itsu sushi restaurant or Millennium Hotel in central London on November 1 to come forward.

Its appeal came as the Conservatives indicated that they would ask the Government to make a Commons statement over the affair.

The HPA is taking "extremely seriously" concerns that other people may have been contaminated by the Polonium-210 that led to the death of Alexander Litvinenko in hospital although it made clear the risk was low.

Doctors discovered that he had somehow ingested a large dose of the radioactive substance and samples of it were later found in the hotel and restaurant.

Mr Litvinenko, a former colonel in the Russian security services, visited both places on November 1, the day he was taken ill.

A vocal opponent of Vladimir Putin, Mr Litvinenko, 43, claimed in a statement made public after his death that the Russian president had him poisoned.

Customers who visited Itsu or the Pine Bar or restaurant at the hotel on November 1 were asked to contact NHS Direct.

Scotland Yard's counter terrorism unit is investigating but has not described it as murder. Foreign Office officials have passed on a request via the Russian Ambassador, Yuri Fedotov, asking authorities in Moscow to make available any information which might assist police with their enquiries.

A post-mortem examination of Mr Litvinenko's body has been delayed while a risk assessment is carried out to see if it is safe to perform the procedure and what precautions may be necessary.

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Re: The backsliding of democracy in Russia.
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2006, 02:15:15 PM »
I think the backsliding of democracy in Russia actually is making a power grab as Novak said on his Saturday night Tv show on CNN.

I don't categorize most Russians like I used to, but since that "Kursk" submarine sank and looked like it may have been sabotaged, Putin looks like he is a secret soviet who likes the power that the Soviet Union had until those controlling communists got exposed by many examples of moralist capitalists in Europe.

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Re: The backsliding of democracy in Russia.
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2006, 02:24:34 PM »
I smell bullshit. The guy had some bad sushi, and everyone automatically assumes Putin is to blame. Monster jumping to conclusions.

Aren't YOU the one jumping to conclusions here? 

You're saying he had bad sushi despite the fact that his body had very high radi levels, and it was also found in hotel and restaurant.

To jump to conclusions is to speak without full info - which it seems you did by blaming bad sushi before you read the story about the radiation.  Lots of people here do that - they will attack and condemn a statement without researching the statement. 

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Re: The backsliding of democracy in Russia.
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2006, 02:45:23 PM »
What's funny is that no scientists have actually confirmed the presence of Polonium-210 in Litvinenko's body. Officials from Britain's Health Protection Agency simply saw high levels of alpha radiation in his urine, and started jumping to conclusions about its origin. Alpha radiation can in fact be produced by a wide variety of radioactive isotopes, including Americium-241, commonly found in smoke detectors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_particle
http://www.uic.com.au/nip35.htm
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Re: The backsliding of democracy in Russia.
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2006, 02:51:12 PM »
What's funny is that no scientists have actually confirmed the presence of Polonium-210 in Litvinenko's body. Officials from Britain's Health Protection Agency simply saw high levels of alpha radiation in his urine, and started jumping to conclusions about its origin. Alpha radiation can in fact be produced by a wide variety of radioactive isotopes, including Americium-241, commonly found in smoke detectors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_particle
http://www.uic.com.au/nip35.htm

Would you like to make a wager he didn't die from "bad sushi"?


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Re: The backsliding of democracy in Russia.
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2006, 03:47:59 PM »
The world seemed a lot more predictable with the Soviet Union than it does with Russia.  I would personally like a strong Russia (democratic or not) that can exert some influence and maybe provide some stability...
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Re: The backsliding of democracy in Russia.
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2006, 04:24:37 PM »
Don't forget that journalist that was also very critical of Putin and she was gunned down.

The weird thing here is that almost no one is pointing the finger at Putin, except for the victims who directly accuse him and they always end up dead.

Putin is a Communist all dressed up as a democratically elected leader. He is also trying to get rid of term limits so he can stay in power perpetually.
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Re: The backsliding of democracy in Russia.
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2006, 12:20:41 AM »
Funny how you never hear that much about it in the media. First Putin locks that billionaire guy Kordovski up on trumped up charges because he is a Putin critic. Then Putin outlaws some kind of elections and puts his own guys in. Now that ex-KGB agent who also is very critical of Putin is mysteriously poisoned by some rare radioactive substance. Putin also is taking control of many areas of industry that were privatized and making them state property again.
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