Serge Nubret is here

[slaveboy1980]

Here?..Do you think so?....

Serge Nubret
http://www.sergenubret.com
http://www.sergenubret.com/muscleawards
http://www.sergenubret.com/personaltrainer

i dont agree. arnold is all arms there, and is not specially good there. you have a good physique in that pic, and your obviously alot better than arnie in that pic. (but you had trained for more years than arnie back then too)

in the lower pic, whats the marks on your shoulder?

serge how is your training going?

[Pollux]

Here?..Do you think so?....

Serge Nubret
http://www.sergenubret.com
http://www.sergenubret.com/muscleawards
http://www.sergenubret.com/personaltrainer

Absolutely! You both look great!  

[serge nubret]

Serge, do you ever venture out here to the USA for The Arnold Classic or Mr. Olympia?

I've been to these events and I've never seen you at a booth or anything...unless I've just missed you? 

I went several time for the Arnold classic, when bodybuilding was still bodybuilding, but never for the Mr.Olympia. Arnold asked me once to guest pose at his contest, I trained nearly 6 months to get ready, spent a lot of money, but the day of the contest Ben Weider told Arnold that i could not be on stage, since that day I refused to go to see any IFBB contest again.

Serge Nubret
http://www.sergenubret.com
http://www.sergenubret.com/muscleawards
http://www.sergenubret.com/personaltrainer

[GoneAway]

serge, what is your opinion on jay cutler winning the mr olympia 2007? do u think it was rigged, or did he win it fairly?

[serge nubret]

Just a quick progress report 1 month into using your systems for myself:-
Your routine is working wonders for me! - Im already having to buy all new shirts in a larger size, whilst looking for smaller waisted trousers ( Down to 32" already!! ) that can accomodate my larger legs!!! Im bigger, but much leaner than I have ever been, EVEN compared to when I was a 20 year old who lived and breathed bodybuilding!!! ( rather than the married Dad of 2 that I am now ). Happy Times! I would never have believed I could start getting such amazing results at nearly 38 years old after 23 years of training ( Previously using modern "train bodyparts one a week" systems ) and completely naturally too! - Volume is the way to go! Its such a more enjoyable way to train too....
I can't recommend your routine enough and Im VERY excited about the future - Thank you very much.

Trev, I am so proud of you. What you just said here, hopefully will help everybody here to reach their goal. Thank you for everything.

Serge Nubret
http://www.sergenubret.com
http://www.sergenubret.com/muscleawards
http://www.sergenubret.com/personaltrainer

[Trev]

hey trev, i seen the type of posts you made 100s of times on different board and talking with different people. the enthusiasm is high, when doing a new routine,they feel like they are gaining kilos of muscle in a months time, and loosing fat. they are on a natural "high".

but the cold reality is that you have lost fat, but you havent gained muscle (your confusing glycogen loading with muscle gain). serges routine cant change the fundamental laws of (natural) bodybuilding. your not gonna gain muscle and loose fat at the same time. (a few newbies can do it for a very short period of time..why i dont know)

i agree about training a muscle 2 times per week...in general its superior to training a muscle once a week. (altho in the long run it wont matter if you stay consistant). i also train muscles groups 2 times a week, but with lower volume than serge recommends.

not trying to kill your enthusiasm tho, as i understand how you feel. your in the zone, really focused and looking forward to the next workout, motivation is high..your having fun, your seeing results (loosing fat). basically the eye of the tiger is back. 

AGAIN!!!!!  Ive been training since I was 15 and I KNOW whether Im gaining muscle or not. Im ABSOLUTELY adding muscle whilst losing fat. You always post your opinion as fact WITHOUT trying for yourself. I was sceptical BEFORE I tried these methods as I too was pre-conditioned that "Less was More" - I was wrong. I don't take measurements BUT I can tell you that Im stretching the sleeves of ALL my short sleeves shirts and T-Shirts for the first time in my life PLUS my legs, chest, Back and Delts are much thicker and bigger - This IS added muscle.
Stop posting "Your facts" and give these methods a go for a couple of months.

[Trev]

Trev, I am so proud of you. What you just said here, hopefully will help everybody here to reach their goal. Thank you for everything.

Serge Nubret
http://www.sergenubret.com
http://www.sergenubret.com/muscleawards
http://www.sergenubret.com/personaltrainer

No, thank you very much. Its a good job I don't look back - when I think of all the years I went for "High Intensity", low sets and training the muscles once a week thinking less was more ...... I could get depressed at the thought of the lost years!!!! ONWARDS though. A couple more months ( when Ive reached the condition I want to remain in ) and I will post some pics on here and face all the "This guy must be on steroids" posts!!!! 

[slaveboy1980]

AGAIN!!!!!  Ive been training since I was 15 and I KNOW whether Im gaining muscle or not. Im ABSOLUTELY adding muscle whilst losing fat. You always post your opinion as fact WITHOUT trying for yourself. I was sceptical BEFORE I tried these methods as I too was pre-conditioned that "Less was More" - I was wrong. I don't take measurements BUT I can tell you that Im stretching the sleeves of ALL my short sleeves shirts and T-Shirts for the first time in my life PLUS my legs, chest, Back and Delts are much thicker and bigger - This IS added muscle.
Stop posting "Your facts" and give these methods a go for a couple of months.

i have tried the serge routine, and similar pumping style workouts. (high volume short rest). why do you think i havent? they worked to some degree..but not as well as more basic routines focusing on the compound movements, with lower volume than serge recommends. also the main question wasnt if serge straining routine works, it was the fact that you claim you have lost fat and gained muscle mass at the same time in one month

once again what your experiencing is that you feel good because your not pounding your muscles, ligaments and joints with heavy weight your getting a great pump due to the volume..also the pump is carried thru the week because your working the muscles 2 times per week as opposed to once a week. = more glycogen loading.

but your still not gaining muscle and loosing fat at the same time. your confusing muscle gain with the pump.

[serge nubret]

good to hear, the fact that routine is new and exciting is probably more important than the specifics tho. if you increase volume and frequency you will see increased glycogen loading, which is what your experiencing. one month is not enough time to gain more than a few hundred grams of muscle, specially if you have been training for years.

if your leaner, you have lost weight (fat), ...= caloric deficit (probably induced by increased activity due to the new routine)

which also says = you havent gained muscle.
becase as a natural you wont gain muscle and loose weight (fat) at the same time.

keep up the good work and enthusiasm. having fun is the way to good results.

I am not agree at all with what you just said here. I have hundred of people in my gym who are loosing weight in the same time they have gain muscle. Do you know how to know if you gain muscle and loose fat?....Just take your waist measurment, if you lost 1 cm on you waist and if your height is for example 1,80 meter, that means you lost 1kg of fat and if your weight remaind the same that means that you gained 1 kg of muscle, if you lost 1 kg of weight that means you did not gain any muscle. In the opposit if you gained 1kg or 2kd body weight that means you gained 1 or 2kg of muscle. I have been experience that on thousand guy through maybe 40 years I can tell you that it works perfectly, so what you are saying here is completly wrong, and you can eassylly make a proportional scale from more or less than 1,80 meter. If you want more explanation how it works let me know, and it will be a pleasure for me to explain it to you. So from now don't say to people here than they cannot loose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because you could discourage TREV from progressing, even that I know that TREV won't be so easy discourage, because eyes and mirrors don't lie.

Serge Nubret
http://www.sergenubret.com
http://www.sergenubret.com/muscleawards
http://www.sergenubret.com/personaltrainer

[Trev]

i have tried the serge routine, and similar pumping style workouts. (high volume short rest). why do you think i havent? they worked to some degree..but not as well as more basic routines focusing on the compound movements, with lower volume than serge recommends. also the main question wasnt if serge straining routine works, it was the fact that you claim you have lost fat and gained muscle mass at the same time in one month

once again what your experiencing is that you feel good because your not pounding your muscles, ligaments and joints with heavy weight your getting a great pump due to the volume..also the pump is carried thru the week because your working the muscles 2 times per week as opposed to once a week. = more glycogen loading.

but your still not gaining muscle and loosing fat at the same time. your confusing muscle gain with the pump.

You're kidding right?? Not pounding the muscles?? Ive never sweated and worked so hard in my life!!! The weights may be lighter, BUT Im doing a lot more sets and Im going to failure on every set after the warm up. My muscles are fried after and Im sore for days BUT Im not getting the tendon and joint pain I used to get. I guess you didn't work hard enough if you was just pumping away with light weights ....... There is no convinicng you re the muscle gain whilst losing fat eh??!!! Well, I can tell you that with my low carb diet I probably haven't got the capacity to glycogen load the muscles as you are suggestion BUT frankly I don't care what it is, all I know is that my muscles are DEFINATELY much larger than ever before and STILL getting larger whilst my bodyfat keeps getting less and again my bodyweight is not reducing. I know what Im talking about and I KNOW when Im adding solid muscle ..... All the best. T

[Trev]

Hi Serge - NO chance I'll ever be discouraged. Im at that point now where even if I do feel a little drained, I can strip off my shirt and my own body will inspire me to go and train. ALL is good. If Slaveboy didn't get results from your methods then he didn't worl hard enough OR use his mind enough!!

[slaveboy1980]

I am not agree at all with what you just said here. I have hundred of people in my gym who are loosing weight in the same time they have gain muscle. Do you know how to know if you gain muscle and loose fat?....Just take your waist measurment, if you lost 1 cm on you waist and if your height is for example 1,80 meter, that means you lost 1kg of fat and if your weight remaind the same that means that you gained 1 kg of muscle, if you lost 1 kg of weight that means you did not gain any muscle. In the opposit if you gained 1kg or 2kd body weight that means you gained 1 or 2kg of muscle. I have been experience that on thousand guy through maybe 40 years I can tell you that it works perfectly, so what you are saying here is completly wrong, and you can eassylly make a proportional scale from more or less than 1,80 meter. If you want more explanation how it works let me know, and it will be a pleasure for me to explain it to you. So from now don't say to people here than they cannot loose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because you could discourage TREV from progressing, even that I know that TREV won't be so easy discourage, because eyes and mirrors don't lie.

Serge Nubret
http://www.sergenubret.com
http://www.sergenubret.com/muscleawards
http://www.sergenubret.com/personaltrainer

i def dont want to kills trevs enthusiasm (or anyone elses). but truth has to be told.

what your explaining, can be explained with WATER. bodyweight can fluctuates alot during ONE day due to what you eat and how much water you store in the body..due to salts and amount of carbs you eat....and the training volume you use.

so i still stand by what i said: when you do the workouts you propose your in a constant state of "pumpedness" which doesnt consitute real muscle gain (not in one months time..if you have lost weight at the same time).

so trev has lost weight (fat) but the muscle gain he htinkgs he has gotten is due to incresed glycogen storage in his muscle.

if you wanna loose weight...then diet. if you wanna gain muscle, you have to eat more calories than you use per day.

do you think muscle is built from air? and no the body doesnt use its own fat to build muscle.

what you are talking about is WATER.

[slaveboy1980]

Hi Serge - NO chance I'll ever be discouraged. Im at that point now where even if I do feel a little drained, I can strip off my shirt and my own body will inspire me to go and train. ALL is good. If Slaveboy didn't get results from your methods then he didn't worl hard enough OR use his mind enough!!

the point is you havent gained muscle and lost fat at the same time.

and yes i worked hard when i used a serge inspired routine. dont try to twist the discussion away from what was my main point. 

and yes i got results. but i didnt confuse the constant pump you feel with muscle gain...certainly not if you loose fat at the same time.

can you build muscle by using serges routine..of course. i did. but there are better routines.

once again factor confusion strikes in bodybuilding.

[Trev]

what you are talking about is WATER.
No it isn't, solid muscle mate, believe me. My diet is high protein and low carb plus Im not doing aerobics, so calories from the fat loss will be utilised for muscle growth. The body will take what it needs when under stress.

[serge nubret]

hey trev, i seen the type of posts you made 100s of times on different board and talking with different people. the enthusiasm is high, when doing a new routine,they feel like they are gaining kilos of muscle in a months time, and loosing fat. they are on a natural "high".

but the cold reality is that you have lost fat, but you havent gained muscle (your confusing glycogen loading with muscle gain). serges routine cant change the fundamental laws of (natural) bodybuilding. your not gonna gain muscle and loose fat at the same time. (a few newbies can do it for a very short period of time..why i dont know)

i agree about training a muscle 2 times per week...in general its superior to training a muscle once a week. (altho in the long run it wont matter if you stay consistant). i also train muscles groups 2 times a week, but with lower volume than serge recommends.

not trying to kill your enthusiasm tho, as i understand how you feel. your in the zone, really focused and looking forward to the next workout, motivation is high..your having fun, your seeing results (loosing fat). basically the eye of the tiger is back. 

Slaveboy, what a pitty that you don't leave near me in Paris, it will be my pleasure to show you things that you never even imagined in you entire life. And you will fell so shame of yourself that you will maybe never post here again, or change completly your way to see things. So please stop say things that you don't know about, or keep them for youself, if you don't want to progress let people who wants to do it go for it. You talking about fondamental law of nature, what you know about it?...I could talk about it only now after 50 years of training and experience on myself and thousand of people whom have been training on my supervisor, so it's not only about me, but about every kind of physic, I did learn things on book, but on experiences and experience that we should call "FONDAMENTAL LAW OF NATURE". Please come to France for me to teach you things.

Serge Nubret
http://www.sergenubret.com
http://www.sergenubret.com/muscleawards
http://www.sergenubret.com/personaltrainer

[Trev]

once again factor confusion strikes in bodybuilding.
Indeed, you gotta do what works for you, just don't post as fact what you can't prove. You'll be shocked when I post pics once Ive reached my peak leanness - coz I know I'll be shocked at the results Ive achieved in such a short space of time!!!!  

[slaveboy1980]

what you are talking about is WATER.
No it isn't, solid muscle mate, believe me. My diet is high protein and low carb plus Im not doing aerobics, so calories from the fat loss will be utilised for muscle growth. The body will take what it needs when under stress.

nope, you obviously dont understand human physiology...stored fat is not used to build muscle.  

do i believe you when you say you lost fat? yes

do i believe you when you say you gained muscle? no. your feeling pumped due to incresed training volume and hitting body parts more often.

why? because you dont gain muscle and loose fat at the same time. the only people who can do this are total newbies (sometimes for very short period of time when they start working out)+ drug users.

serges routine cant side step human physiology. dont spread pseudo bs, trev and serge.

[serge nubret]

i dont agree. arnold is all arms there, and is not specially good there. you have a good physique in that pic, and your obviously alot better than arnie in that pic. (but you had trained for more years than arnie back then too)

in the lower pic, whats the marks on your shoulder?

serge how is your training going?

At least you are agree with me about someting, estonish!.... About the marks on my shoulder, did ever heard about vaccination when you go to school?...I know what you were thinking, that's funny that you see the smallest things but not the biggest.

Serge Nubret
http://www.sergenubret.com
http://www.sergenubret.com/muscleawards
http://www.sergenubret.com/personaltrainer

[slaveboy1980]

Slaveboy, what a pitty that you don't leave near me in Paris, it will be my pleasure to show you things that you never even imagined in you entire life. And you will fell so shame of yourself that you will maybe never post here again, or change completly your way to see things. So please stop say things that you don't know about, or keep them for youself, if you don't want to progress let people who wants to do it go for it. You talking about fondamental law of nature, what you know about it?...I could talk about it only now after 50 years of training and experience on myself and thousand of people whom have been training on my supervisor, so it's not only about me, but about every kind of physic, I did learn things on book, but on experiences and experience that we should call "FONDAMENTAL LAW OF NATURE". Please come to France for me to teach you things.

Serge Nubret
http://www.sergenubret.com
http://www.sergenubret.com/muscleawards
http://www.sergenubret.com/personaltrainer

no serge, im using my own mind. your a great bodubuilder, no doubt. but i dont just take your word because you are serge nubret.

you say you want to discuss things..but you cant take it when someones questions your knowledge?....this goes againt what you have preached earlier in this thread.

[slaveboy1980]

once again factor confusion strikes in bodybuilding.
Indeed, you gotta do what works for you, just don't post as fact what you can't prove. You'll be shocked when I post pics once Ive reached my peak leanness - coz I know I'll be shocked at the results Ive achieved in such a short space of time!!!!  

 . im not claiming your lying when you say you are seeing changes to your body. your loosing fat which adds to the illusion your are getting bigger. thats nothing new.

factor confusion, as i use the word. is that you do a+b+c+d....but in reality only "A" is needed...and its the "A" that gives you results.

but obsessive thinking makes you also do b+c+d. this is very common in bodybuilding.

[slaveboy1980]

At least you are agree with me about someting, estonish!.... About the marks on my shoulder, did ever heard about vaccination when you go to school?...I know what you were thinking, that's funny that you see the smallest things but not the biggest.

Serge Nubret
http://www.sergenubret.com
http://www.sergenubret.com/muscleawards
http://www.sergenubret.com/personaltrainer

sometimes you have to look at the small things to understand the big things. 

[serge nubret]

AGAIN!!!!!  Ive been training since I was 15 and I KNOW whether Im gaining muscle or not. Im ABSOLUTELY adding muscle whilst losing fat. You always post your opinion as fact WITHOUT trying for yourself. I was sceptical BEFORE I tried these methods as I too was pre-conditioned that "Less was More" - I was wrong. I don't take measurements BUT I can tell you that Im stretching the sleeves of ALL my short sleeves shirts and T-Shirts for the first time in my life PLUS my legs, chest, Back and Delts are much thicker and bigger - This IS added muscle.
Stop posting "Your facts" and give these methods a go for a couple of months.

Trev don't listen to him, everywhere you will find negative people like that, which the only thing they want is to siscourage positive people, the nature is not it made from the bigining of NEGATIVE AN POSITIVE?...but without the first the second cannot exist. Take your waist measuration today and your weight, next month take them again, depend how tall are you, if your height is like me 1,80 meter, if you loose I cm on your waist and stay at the same body weight that means you gained 1 kg of muscle, if you gained 1-2-3-4kg of body weight that means you gained 1-2-3-4kg of muscle, whatever people say.

Serge Nubret
http://www.sergenubret.com
http://www.sergenubret.com/muscleawards
http://www.sergenubret.com/personaltrainer

[Trev]

Believe what you want to believe but by not opening your mind more, you'll hold yourself back. I repeat, I WAS sceptical before trying this routine but one month on, Im astounded by my results - Seriously dude, try these methods again. Its NOT glycogen or Pump, IT'S SOLID MUSCLE. My clothes are a lot tighter everywhere except my waist, which is now 2.5 inches smaller. End of conversation, Move on.

[slaveboy1980]

Trev don't listen to him, everywhere you will find negative people like that, which the only thing they want is to siscourage positive people, the nature is not it made from the bigining of NEGATIVE AN POSITIVE?...but without the first the second cannot exist. Take your waist measuration today and your weight, next month take them again, depend how tall are you, if your height is like me 1,80 meter, if you loose I cm on your waist and stay at the same body weight that means you gained 1 kg of muscle, if you gained 1-2-3-4kg of body weight that means you gained 1-2-3-4kg of muscle, whatever people say.

Serge Nubret
http://www.sergenubret.com
http://www.sergenubret.com/muscleawards
http://www.sergenubret.com/personaltrainer

serge do you only listen to people who agree with you? how do you learn new things?

serge do you think everyone who doesnt agree with you is negative?

[slaveboy1980]

Believe what you want to believe but by not opening your mind more, you'll hold yourself back. I repeat, I WAS sceptical before trying this routine but one month on, Im astounded by my results - Seriously dude, try these methods again. Its NOT glycogen or Pump, IT'S SOLID MUSCLE. My clothes are a lot tighter everywhere except my waist, which is now 2.5 inches smaller. End of conversation, Move on.

haha, me not opening my mind? its you who has a narrow mind...

me i have first hand experience from the gym+ i have studied human physiology and anatomy.

you on the other hand only talk about "what works for me (=you)" etc.

who is the narrowminded    ?