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Hawai'i-based Army commander:Iraq transfer under way
« on: December 01, 2006, 12:25:43 PM »
I guess he didn't get the memo.  We cannot steal their oil if we're actually turning over control of their country. 

Hawai'i-based Army commander:Iraq transfer under way
WASHINGTON — (AP) Maj. Gen. Benjamin R. Mixon, commander of coalition forces in northern Iraq and the Hawai'i-based 25th Infantry Division, said today that four Iraqi army divisions in his area will be put under Baghdad's control by next March — just the kind of transfer that a U.S. study commission reportedly is ready to embrace.
"I can certainly see great opportunity to reduce the amount of combat forces on the ground" in the north "and turn more responsibility over to Iraqi security forces," Mixon told Pentagon reporters in a videoconference from his headquarters near Tikrit. He said that even after this transition is complete, U.S. troops likely would continue to support Iraqi forces and conduct combat operations against al-Qaida "operatives."
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http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Dec/01/br/br9364570128.html


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Re: Hawai'i-based Army commander:Iraq transfer under way
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2006, 12:29:23 PM »
yea, this is where we escalate this crap like a mother fucker... no way Bush and Company intend on leaving Iraq...  Here comes major shit.  With Bush no longer having a rubber stamp congress, the company will get things done the subversive way...  Hold on, the ride is about to bet bumpy.

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Re: Hawai'i-based Army commander:Iraq transfer under way
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2006, 12:30:38 PM »
I guess he didn't get the memo.  We cannot steal their oil if we're actually turning over control of their country. 

Hawai'i-based Army commander:Iraq transfer under way
WASHINGTON — (AP) Maj. Gen. Benjamin R. Mixon, commander of coalition forces in northern Iraq and the Hawai'i-based 25th Infantry Division, said today that four Iraqi army divisions in his area will be put under Baghdad's control by next March — just the kind of transfer that a U.S. study commission reportedly is ready to embrace.
"I can certainly see great opportunity to reduce the amount of combat forces on the ground" in the north "and turn more responsibility over to Iraqi security forces," Mixon told Pentagon reporters in a videoconference from his headquarters near Tikrit. He said that even after this transition is complete, U.S. troops likely would continue to support Iraqi forces and conduct combat operations against al-Qaida "operatives."
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http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Dec/01/br/br9364570128.html



We are not stealing their oil, American companies are profiting it where they didn't before under Sadaam.

And we aren't  leaving anytime soon.

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Re: Hawai'i-based Army commander:Iraq transfer under way
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2006, 12:32:49 PM »
Thats good news.
Sounds like Britain and Poland are going to do a major withdrawal soon after they handover control of the southern provinces.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/061122/world/britain_iraq_basra3rdlead_1
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Re: Hawai'i-based Army commander:Iraq transfer under way
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2006, 12:35:26 PM »
We are not stealing their oil, American companies are profiting it where they didn't before under Sadaam.

And we aren't  leaving anytime soon.

Forgot.   :)  We didn't go to war to steal their oil (as liberals said when this thing began), we went to "manage the pipeline."  I think we've debated this before, but my feeling is who cares if Halliburton is making money off the pipelines?  Big deal.  

I agree we're not leaving anytime soon, but there will be a RIF and complete transfer of power.      

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Re: Hawai'i-based Army commander:Iraq transfer under way
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2006, 12:36:44 PM »
Don't worry Berserker never read any of that.

Since I posted some of it.
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2006, 12:43:28 PM »
Forgot.   :)  We didn't go to war to steal their oil (as liberals said when this thing began), we went to "manage the pipeline."  I think we've debated this before, but my feeling is who cares if Halliburton is making money off the pipelines?  Big deal. 

I agree we're not leaving anytime soon, but there will be a RIF and complete transfer of power.     

I hear ya about "who cares" if haliburton is making money off it.  I agree with that some what.  But, from the beginning, i believe we (our leadership)  saw Iraq as an "opportunity" and not a "threat".  AND It was sold as a threat to the American public and 3000 American citizens have died as a result. 

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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2006, 12:47:15 PM »
Forgot.   :)  We didn't go to war to steal their oil (as liberals said when this thing began), we went to "manage the pipeline."  I think we've debated this before, but my feeling is who cares if Halliburton is making money off the pipelines?  Big deal.  

I agree we're not leaving anytime soon, but there will be a RIF and complete transfer of power.      

The Bush administration made plans for war and for Iraq's oil before the 9/11 attacks, sparking a policy battle between neo-cons and Big Oil, BBC's Newsnight has revealed.
 
Iraqi-born Falah Aljibury says US Neo-Conservatives planned to force a coup d'etat in Iraq
Two years ago today - when President George Bush announced US, British and Allied forces would begin to bomb Baghdad - protesters claimed the US had a secret plan for Iraq's oil once Saddam had been conquered.

In fact there were two conflicting plans, setting off a hidden policy war between neo-conservatives at the Pentagon, on one side, versus a combination of "Big Oil" executives and US State Department "pragmatists".

"Big Oil" appears to have won. The latest plan, obtained by Newsnight from the US State Department was, we learned, drafted with the help of American oil industry consultants.

Insiders told Newsnight that planning began "within weeks" of Bush's first taking office in 2001, long before the September 11th attack on the US.

  We saw an increase in the bombing of oil facilities and pipelines [in Iraq] built on the premise that privatisation is coming

Mr Falah Aljibury
An Iraqi-born oil industry consultant, Falah Aljibury, says he took part in the secret meetings in California, Washington and the Middle East. He described a State Department plan for a forced coup d'etat.

Mr Aljibury himself told Newsnight that he interviewed potential successors to Saddam Hussein on behalf of the Bush administration.

Secret sell-off plan

The industry-favoured plan was pushed aside by a secret plan, drafted just before the invasion in 2003, which called for the sell-off of all of Iraq's oil fields. The new plan was crafted by neo-conservatives intent on using Iraq's oil to destroy the Opec cartel through massive increases in production above Opec quotas.

 
Former Shell Oil USA chief stalled plans to privatise Iraq's oil industry
The sell-off was given the green light in a secret meeting in London headed by Fadhil Chalabi shortly after the US entered Baghdad, according to Robert Ebel.

Mr Ebel, a former Energy and CIA oil analyst, now a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, told Newsnight he flew to the London meeting at the request of the State Department.

Mr Aljibury, once Ronald Reagan's "back-channel" to Saddam, claims that plans to sell off Iraq's oil, pushed by the US-installed Governing Council in 2003, helped instigate the insurgency and attacks on US and British occupying forces.

"Insurgents used this, saying, 'Look, you're losing your country, you're losing your resources to a bunch of wealthy billionaires who want to take you over and make your life miserable,'" said Mr Aljibury from his home near San Francisco.

"We saw an increase in the bombing of oil facilities, pipelines, built on the premise that privatisation is coming."

Privatisation blocked by industry

Philip Carroll, the former CEO of Shell Oil USA who took control of Iraq's oil production for the US Government a month after the invasion, stalled the sell-off scheme.

Mr Carroll told us he made it clear to Paul Bremer, the US occupation chief who arrived in Iraq in May 2003, that: "There was to be no privatisation of Iraqi oil resources or facilities while I was involved."

 
Amy Jaffee says oil companies fear a privatisation would exclude foreign firms
Ariel Cohen, of the neo-conservative Heritage Foundation, told Newsnight that an opportunity had been missed to privatise Iraq's oil fields.

He advocated the plan as a means to help the US defeat Opec, and said America should have gone ahead with what he called a "no-brainer" decision.

Mr Carroll hit back, telling Newsnight, "I would agree with that statement. To privatize would be a no-brainer. It would only be thought about by someone with no brain."

New plans, obtained from the State Department by Newsnight and Harper's Magazine under the US Freedom of Information Act, called for creation of a state-owned oil company favoured by the US oil industry. It was completed in January 2004 under the guidance of Amy Jaffe of the James Baker Institute in Texas.

Formerly US Secretary of State, Baker is now an attorney representing Exxon-Mobil and the Saudi Arabian government.

View segments of Iraq oil plans at www.GregPalast.com

Questioned by Newsnight, Ms Jaffe said the oil industry prefers state control of Iraq's oil over a sell-off because it fears a repeat of Russia's energy privatisation. In the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union, US oil companies were barred from bidding for the reserves.

Ms Jaffe says US oil companies are not warm to any plan that would undermine Opec and the current high oil price: "I'm not sure that if I'm the chair of an American company, and you put me on a lie detector test, I would say high oil prices are bad for me or my company."

The former Shell oil boss agrees. In Houston, he told Newsnight: "Many neo conservatives are people who have certain ideological beliefs about markets, about democracy, about this, that and the other. International oil companies, without exception, are very pragmatic commercial organizations. They don't have a theology."

A State Department spokesman told Newsnight they intended "to provide all possibilities to the Oil Ministry of Iraq and advocate none".


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm

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Re: Hawai'i-based Army commander:Iraq transfer under way
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2006, 12:47:53 PM »
I hear ya about "who cares" if haliburton is making money off it.  I agree with that some what.  But, from the beginning, i believe we (our leadership)  saw Iraq as an "opportunity" and not a "threat".  AND It was sold as a threat to the American public and 3000 American citizens have died as a result. 

The threat was sold by Bush, Blair, the UN, and Senate Democrats (among others).  I was amazed to read the comments of Democrat Senators about WMDs right before the war.  Incredible how they were able to bury their earlier positions and attack Bush.  Worked pretty darn well in November.  

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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2006, 12:53:27 PM »
The threat was sold ...........the UN, 


the UN didn't suggest or reccomend the threat was worth going ot war over.

The threat was sold by Bush, Blair,

The opportunities for America are the same for Britian

The threat was sold by ...............and Senate Democrats (among others). 

It would have been political suicide to vote against the war in the swarm of fear and anger from 9/11 at the time.  Addtionally, Senate democrats were not the ones who provided the information on WMD's, that honor goes to the BUSH administration who coincndentally were in power and were the ones who said we NEEDED to go tot war to protect our country.

Incredible how they were able to bury their earlier positions and attack Bush.  Worked pretty darn well in November. 

Not incredible at all when you consider what a politician really is.



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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2006, 01:09:02 PM »
Iraq's oil industry in grip of despair.

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=reutersEdge&storyID=2006-11-30T112207Z_01_NOA040917_RTRUKOC_0_IRAQ-OIL.xml&pageNumber=2&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage2

The Kurds and the Shiites aren't going to allow a single marketer in Iraq.

The Kurds are making there own oil deals outside of the Iraqi government.
http://www.kurdmedia.com/news.asp?id=13541
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2006, 01:27:19 PM »
Forgot.   :)  We didn't go to war to steal their oil (as liberals said when this thing began), we went to "manage the pipeline."  I think we've debated this before, but my feeling is who cares if Halliburton is making money off the pipelines?  Big deal.  

I agree we're not leaving anytime soon, but there will be a RIF and complete transfer of power.      

So you're fine with our soldiers being killed to "manage the pipeline"? Oh and Halliburtan raping the tax payers.
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Re: Hawai'i-based Army commander:Iraq transfer under way
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2006, 01:49:24 PM »
So you're fine with our soldiers being killed to "manage the pipeline"? Oh and Halliburtan raping the tax payers.

I'm not fine with a single death.  Halliburton is a government entity?  How is Halliburton "raping the tax payers"? 

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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2006, 01:52:19 PM »
I'm not fine with a single death.  Halliburton is a government entity?  How is Halliburton "raping the tax payers"? 

You fell into the trap of using logic and common sense.

Instead a dark conspiracy must exist and the only winner can be the unnamed world power bent on global domination.
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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2006, 01:54:46 PM »
I'm not fine with a single death.  Halliburton is a government entity?  How is Halliburton "raping the tax payers"? 

$45 per case of soda, that's real nice of Cheney's company. :D
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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2006, 01:58:02 PM »
So you're fine with our soldiers being killed to "manage the pipeline"? Oh and Halliburtan raping the tax payers.

He is.

he claims hs has many soldier friends.  Of course, he tells them how brave they are.  When they leave, he lets out an evil laugh at their folly.  For he will save $9 everytime he fills up his F-150.  Their downfall is his windfall!

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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2006, 01:59:33 PM »
He is.

he claims hs has many soldier friends.  Of course, he tells them how brave they are.  When they leave, he lets out an evil laugh at their folly.  For he will save $9 everytime he fills up his F-150.  Their downfall is his windfall!

It's fucked up.  ;D
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Re: Hawai'i-based Army commander:Iraq transfer under way
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2006, 02:00:00 PM »
I'm not fine with a single death.  Halliburton is a government entity?  How is Halliburton "raping the tax payers"? 

haliburton's been busted for a lot of cheating since they've been there, yet they continue to be given no-bid contracts.

For ANYONE to defend haliburton, and not at the very least an ally-based bidding system, if fucking idiotic.  No other way to put it.  Haliburton has paid millions in fines for the fraud of which they've been caught.  Usually, when you catch a company for 10 things, chances are they did more than 10 bad things ;)

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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2006, 02:03:29 PM »
Iraq's a giant conflict of intrest.  :P
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2006, 02:23:08 PM »
haliburton's been busted for a lot of cheating since they've been there, yet they continue to be given no-bid contracts.

For ANYONE to defend haliburton, and not at the very least an ally-based bidding system, if fucking idiotic.  No other way to put it.  Haliburton has paid millions in fines for the fraud of which they've been caught.  Usually, when you catch a company for 10 things, chances are they did more than 10 bad things ;)

There is an ally bidding system.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/legislative/2207_appx3.pdf

Haliburton was lower in the south
Where as an Australian company Parsons Iraq was lower in North
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