What does a STEROID Cycle look like for the AVERAGE PRO/AMATEUR?? GH15?

[The Luke]

....pretty sure I'm bigger than sarcasm and TA... isn't that about 15 members of the Squad?


The Luke

[SS]

....pretty sure I'm bigger than sarcasm and TA... isn't that about 15 members of the Squad?


The Luke

yawn

[The Luke]

yawn

I've already posted my pic... I am bigger than both TA and "sarcasm" (that's most of the Squad). The picture above was taken by a journalist working for a Wisconsin newspaper. Due to the litigious nature of American society identities are verified before people are identified in newspaper stories... the photographer checked my drivers licence and passport... therefore I've posted a pic VERIFIED by a neutral, professional journalist.

Who in the Squad can say the same?

I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm bigger than EVERYONE in the Squad because then I'd get "owned" when you guys pull a Frozzor and post a pic of Dorian Yates with your head photoshopped onto it... or a pic of some guy who's part of the Squad that I've never conversed with (or had a problem with). I don't keep track of who's in the Squad... I only know the assholes by name.

I could name names and say I'm bigger than Berzerk Fury for example but that's just one of TA's gimmick accounts isn't it.... I could say that I'm bigger than nycbull.... but that's another of TA's gimmick accounts.... see the problem? You guys would all have to post pics for me to be proven wrong.... hence: stalemate.

The Luke

PS-way to hijack a thread, attack my pic because you can't attack anything I've posted without other people telling you off.

[gtbro1]

author=The Luke link=topic=110863.msg1605096#msg1605096 date=1165465510]
 that's your natural limit. For someone Alex's height... I reckon it'd be about 280 lbs @ 10-12% bf... maybe 250 lbs ripped.

    .
   

[The Luke]

Eh... gtbro1, isn't Alexxx 6'4''?


The Luke

[SS]

this is what you wrote little man, is it not/ there's nothing of the sort that you pointed out in your previous post




Where are the Squad's pictures?
I'm no He-Man but I bet I'm a lot bigger than ANY member of the Squad if they're willing to post a pic

[The Luke]

this is what you wrote little man, is it not/ there's nothing of the sort that you pointed out in your previous post

Where are the Squad's pictures?
I'm no He-Man but I bet I'm a lot bigger than ANY member of the Squad if they're willing to post a pic

Start a new post... don't hijack a thread other people were hoping to learn something from....

You guys have your own board for this shit for goodness sake.


The Luke

[gtbro1]

Eh... gtbro1, isn't Alexxx 6'4''?


The Luke

   It just sounds funny to me...280 lbs with fairly low body fat, natural.
 
 But you are right,he is over 6 ft tall.I forgot about that. My brother in law weighs just under 300 lbs. He is 6'5 and his arms are 19-20 inches,but they have little definition.He is nowhere near 10%...I would guesstimate 20-25 %.He doesn't look fat(no gut)  but he doesn't look like a body builder either.(  no veins visible,fairly large waist.) Looks like a offensive lineman. At any rate, if anyone weighing 250 lbs ripped  ever told me   they were life time natural ,I would laugh my ass off. No way would I believe them


    ps:  You said  "I reckon"  hahahahaha
 

[LASTREP72]

{Feel free to include all the dos and don'ts along with sideeffects and so on.}

Everything under the sun - I know got a friend who is an IFBB pro he's been training for years, but the year he won his pro card he was all natty (of cource he had built a foundation on juice b4 that). That being said, there's lots of info on this and other boards - but this shit doesn't work for everyone you can juice and not see any decent affects (triple V). I say this, if you want to juice, test your responsiveness - by taking dbol (6 weeks), along with decca for 12 weeks (and you will have your natural test production decreased) hey if you don't get significantly bigger using this then don't even waste your money.

[The Luke]

   It just sounds funny to me...280 lbs with fairly low body fat, natural.
 
 But you are right,he is over 6 ft tall.I forgot about that. My brother in law weighs just under 300 lbs. He is 6'5 and his arms are 19-20 inches,but they have little definition.He is nowhere near 10%...I would guesstimate 20-25 %.He doesn't look fat(no gut)  but he doesn't look like a body builder either.(  no veins visible,fairly large waist.) Looks like a offensive lineman. At any rate, if anyone weighing 250 lbs ripped  ever told me   they were life time natural ,I would laugh my ass off. No way would I believe them

Talk to "bigandbrolic" on the Natural board, natty and 250 in contest shape... well over 6' though.


The Luke

[gtbro1]

Talk to "bigandbrolic" on the Natural board, natty and 250 in contest shape... well over 6' though.


The Luke

   life time natural ?
   

[The Luke]

Apparently...


The Luke

[gh15]

no need for pro level cycles info because it will do you more damage than benefit. you gotta have enough muscle mass inorder to play with products/doses we do. if you take at your size 150mg dianabol per day you will fall asleep for 16 hours in a raw,,,wont eat what you need to eat because you wil be sleeping,,,and your liver and systems will always be in a fighting mode inorder to survive and clean themselves from the toxics. so no need for that at the amatuer level.

good amatuer cycle (local competitors)  should look something like this:

all products and doses i give here are with the assumption you use HUMAN GRADE BRAND NAME PHARMA PRODUCTS and not some home bathroom shit. if you have home bathroom shit i would NOT USE IT and if you decide to use it double the dosage i wrote below.

test ent or cyp 750mg /week
nandrolone decanoate 400-600 mg /week
dianabol 40-75 mg / day (first 5-6 weeks)

growth  5-8 iu if china jintropin,, 3-4 iu if american brand name gh such as humatrope or seros
*optional,,insulin 10-12 units post training session (do not use slin unless you are femiliar with the hormone and build yourself up by starting low,,,you gotta be femiliar with side effects of slin intake!!!)

if your a girly man with boobs i suggest using proviron,,,nolva or arimidex. proviron is what id chose out of the 3,,,it will make your cycle even better and youll see bigger numbers,,,nolva and arimdex be careful with because too many lifters use them at too high of a dose and hurt their gains. yes i consider water weight gains too. your muscles are water.

provi use at 50-75mg a day
nolv at 20mg a day
arimidex at .25 a day or .5 every other day

** this is bulking cycle only and that means you got to eat enough calories for better gains. no food = no size no matter how much drugs you pump in you.

[MAXX]

why growth?

is that really needed if not pro?

 i mean who wants gh gut, acromelagy etc..

[LASTREP72]

no need for pro level cycles info because it will do you more damage than benefit. you gotta have enough muscle mass inorder to play with products/doses we do. if you take at your size 150mg dianabol per day you will fall asleep for 16 hours in a raw,,,wont eat what you need to eat because you wil be sleeping,,,and your liver and systems will always be in a fighting mode inorder to survive and clean themselves from the toxics. so no need for that at the amatuer level.

good amatuer cycle (local competitors)  should look something like this:

all products and doses i give here are with the assumption you use HUMAN GRADE BRAND NAME PHARMA PRODUCTS and not some home bathroom shit. if you have home bathroom shit i would NOT USE IT and if you decide to use it double the dosage i wrote below.

test ent or cyp 750mg /week
nandrolone decanoate 400-600 mg /week
dianabol 40-75 mg / day (first 5-6 weeks)

growth  5-8 iu if china jintropin,, 3-4 iu if american brand name gh such as humatrope or seros
*optional,,insulin 10-12 units post training session (do not use slin unless you are femiliar with the hormone and build yourself up by starting low,,,you gotta be femiliar with side effects of slin intake!!!)

if your a girly man with boobs i suggest using proviron,,,nolva or arimidex. proviron is what id chose out of the 3,,,it will make your cycle even better and youll see bigger numbers,,,nolva and arimdex be careful with because too many lifters use them at too high of a dose and hurt their gains. yes i consider water weight gains too. your muscles are water.

provi use at 50-75mg a day
nolv at 20mg a day
arimidex at .25 a day or .5 every other day

** this is bulking cycle only and that means you got to eat enough calories for better gains. no food = no size no matter how much drugs you pump in you.

Well there you go Alexx, make sure you keep us posted about how your cycle goes, hey you got a good source?

[thepeg]

drugs are bad ok. if u do drugs you're um, bad ok.     mr mackey south park.

[bigbalddaddy]

Still the best place to start: FAQ from some of the vets at BB.Com (Yes, there are some over there.)

Credit goes to Big Cat, Pogue, Ctgblue, Gimp, Bozz, Raprazant, and all the other mods that have worked on hammering out the rules of this section over the years. It is simply my intent to clean up the top of the forum at this point.


IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT STEROID PRODUCTS OR ANCILLARY DRUGS IN SPECIFIC CHECK THE ONLINE STEROID PROFILES AT THE LINK BELOW FIRST :

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PLEASE READ THIS FAQ CAREFULLY BEFORE POSTING ANY BEGINNER TYPE QUESTIONS. IT WILL SAVE YOU A LOT OF FLAMING AND HUMILIATION AND IT WILL SAVE US A LOT OF ANNOYANCE

1.I'm not yet 21, should I use steroids ?

HELL NO. Plain and simple. Steroids WILL, not may, WILL stunt your growth. They close the epiphysial plates in your bones and stop all possibility of attaining a greater height. Further more using steroids during puberty, when you are dealing with an already very unstable endocrine system can have severe consequences in the long run: Erectile dysfunction (impotence), loss of libido and even infertility! I assume most men in their late teens and twenties hope to have children some day and lead a long and fulfilling sex life, so steroids before the age of 21: NO!

Questions about steroids by teens may well be ignored.

If you are a teenager wondering about steroids, heed this advice. Read the boards, absorb the knowledge and learn so you can use them properly when you are old enough. But for your own good steer clear of them now. For once and for all, use your mind, we have nothing to gain or lose by telling you not to use them.
Not only are there the above mentioned physical issues specific to teenagers who decide to use, there are also mental aspects to consider. Your brain is still developing pathways and settling into it's normal functions well into your early 20's. Causing rounds of hormonal imbalance during this time can leave you with lasting depression, anxiety, or anger control issues.

2.Steroids are not magic !

They are merely effective hormonal supplements. They increase the rate of protein synthesis in the body, but to synthsize protein one still needs to take in enough protein and take care of his energy needs with fats and carbs. Those thinking that steroids will get them out of the rut their bad diets have created are sorely mistaken. A steroid user needs a minimum of experience because his diet will take a lot more work than the diet of a natural athlete. We are talking in excess of 25 calories per pound of bodyweight daily, where 18-22 will suffice for a natural. And most can't even make that. Large amounts of protein, especially, needs to be consumed. Upwards of 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight daily. Steroids do not cause growth, they merely speed up the process and stretch it to supra-physiological levels, working with the means they have. And those means are the food you consume.

IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT YOU ATTEMPT TO ATTAIN GROWTH BY PROPERLY ADJUSTING YOUR DIET BEFORE EVEN CONSIDERING STEROIDS !

3.You should not use steroids until you have reached your natural limit.

Well lets say you need to be close to it. This has a lot to do with the previous points and for two reasons. The first being that if you are not near your natural limit, there is no way you tried enough variations in your diet to assume you are ready to use steroids.

The second reason is that if you cannot attain a near natural limit, you simply do not possess the nutritional skills to make steroids work to their maximum. The result being that you will waste a lot of money, get lots of side-effects, but not the gains you were hoping for.

4.You should have all your gear and drugs prior to starting a cycle !

Ordering steroids in many small packages reduces the cost of each package and reduces the chance of a large amount being seized. Do not however, start a cycle with your first package if the rest has not arrived. Breaks in a cycle can be hazardous to recovery, mass retention and your entire endocrine system, often with disastrous long-term consequences. If your package does not arrive, or does not arrive on time, you will have to stop your cycle, stay off as long as you were on and start again from square one.

This goes for ancillary drugs as well. All of us are quite sick of hearing from kids that their cycle is almost over, yet they don't have Nolva /clomid to help them kick natural test back in after the cycle. Sorry, that's not our problem, its something that would not have happened had you done some basic research first. DO NOT post such stupid questions on the board. We will keep a two strikes and you're out; record, meaning the first time you get a warning, the second time you get banned.

5. Source posting is a no-no.

You will be banned for varying lengths of time based upon the severity of the infraction.

6.What sort of gains should I expect ?

This is a question dependent on too many variable factors and has no answer. DO NOT ASK THIS QUESTION. It only works on people's nerves and makes them not want to answer your other questions. This is possibly the dumbest question you can ask.

These threads will be deleted or locked.


7. Do i need something to bring my natural test levels up after a test cycle?

This should go without saying. If you were thinking of asking this question, take it from me, you are not ready to start using steroids. After a cycle of steroids your natural sex hormone levels will be severely suppressed due to a mechanism called negative feedback. To preserve gains and keep a mentally and physically healthy life-style, you need to get your testosterone levels back on line. When a deficit of steroids in the body has occured, it will attempt to make natural testosterone again. But unfortunately steroid levels do not drop off, usually there is an estrogen rebound which prolongs the negative feedback. Estrogen of course will not suffice to keep your gains. So the need of an estrogen antagonist is needed post-cycle, either Clomid (clomiphene citrate) or Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate).

During longer or very suppressive cycles (Deca, long term test, trenbolone) your testicles may begin to shrink heavily due to disuse. this may make it harder to make natural test right off the bat. In such cases it is advised you use HCG as well to bring back the size of the testicles first.

8.When should I use Clomid or Nolvadex for this purpose ? How long and how much ?

This depends first of all on the products used. Specifically what the longest acting product was in teh cycle. If you used only orals or test suspension or winstrol injections, then you need to start Clomid/Nolva therapy immediately afterwards. If short esters like propionate or acetate were used, then start 4-6 days after your last shot. If you use long esters (enanthate, undecylenate, undecanoate, decanoate, enanthate/heptylate, ...) then start therapy 10-14 days after your last shot.

For Clomid start with 150 mg/day for 2 weeks, then 100 mg/day for 2 more weeks. With nolvadex, which should be given preference, start with 50 mg/day for 2 weeks and 25 mg/day for 2 more weeks. In both cases that is 4 weeks.

Before using these , consult the appropriate profiles on these substances as found in this site's steroid profiles section :

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catsteroids.htm

9. When, how and how much HCG should I use ?

Again, consult the appropriate profile for more detailed information prior to use. But basically the idea is to start as soon as your cycle is over, or even the last week of the cycle. Take 4 shots over 20 days, 3000/3000/1500/1500 IU respectively, taken every 5 days. For this method, inject intra-muscularly. HCG can also be injected subcutanously but that requires more injections.

Another, equally as effective method for HCG usage is weekly during your cycle. 250iu-500iu in one or two shots every week will keep atrophy from occuring.

Two things to note : HCG is suppressive of natural testosterone, so make sure your Nolvadex or Clomid therapy lasts at least 2 weeks longer than your HCG therapy. NEVER do an HCG run without the concommittant use of Clomid or Nolvadex.

HCG in high doses or during long term use (longer than 25 days or higher than 5000 IU per shot) can have a reverse effect and may hinder your recovery, stick to the above protocol.

HCG comes in two vials, once vials are mixed, it needs to be kept refridgerated.

10.I heard you can drink Injectable winstrol / D-bol. Is this true ? Are the results the same ?

This is one question all of us are REALLY sick of hearing.Winstrol (stanazolol) and D-bol (methandrostenolone) are both 17-alpha-alkylated steroids. 17-alpha-alkylation is a structural alteration that allows the steroid to withstand degradation in the liver and makes them orally available. So YES, these steroids can be taken orally.

Note 1 : The efficacy of this method is equal to taking an oral winstrol or D-bol preparation. Usually this is 75-80% of the efficacy one would get when injecting. Most are willing to accept 1/5th less gains or will take 1/5th more of the product because taking it orally is still easier than daily injections

Note 2 : These products are toxic to the liver. When injected they only pass the liver once, so they are a little less toxic. When ingested, only use them for 6 weeks on end and then stay away from them for 14 weeks. This goes for all 17AA steroids.

Note 3 : Not all injectable steroids can be taken orally, only 17AA steroids (D-bol, Winstrol, Anavar, Anadrol) and 1-methylated substances (Proviron and Primobolan). Other injectables will yield only 4-6% of their injectable capacity.

continued here: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=825354

STICKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[buffbodz]

Ah okay.  Smaller mind? You live with your parents in the poorest part of Quebec, are very unattractive, and have an ugly physique.  I'd say your life is pretty damn bad.  I win in all catagories.  You my friend are the loser.

  By the way Arnold did have triple bi-pass you retard.

Alexx http://youlose.ytmnd.com/

[SS]

Start a new post... don't hijack a thread other people were hoping to learn something from....

You guys have your own board for this shit for goodness sake.


The Luke

I would but you would just backtrack and puss out.

[210 and growing]

no need for pro level cycles info because it will do you more damage than benefit. you gotta have enough muscle mass inorder to play with products/doses we do. if you take at your size 150mg dianabol per day you will fall asleep for 16 hours in a raw,,,wont eat what you need to eat because you wil be sleeping,,,and your liver and systems will always be in a fighting mode inorder to survive and clean themselves from the toxics. so no need for that at the amatuer level.

good amatuer cycle (local competitors)  should look something like this:

all products and doses i give here are with the assumption you use HUMAN GRADE BRAND NAME PHARMA PRODUCTS and not some home bathroom shit. if you have home bathroom shit i would NOT USE IT and if you decide to use it double the dosage i wrote below.

test ent or cyp 750mg /week
nandrolone decanoate 400-600 mg /week
dianabol 40-75 mg / day (first 5-6 weeks)

growth  5-8 iu if china jintropin,, 3-4 iu if american brand name gh such as humatrope or seros
*optional,,insulin 10-12 units post training session (do not use slin unless you are femiliar with the hormone and build yourself up by starting low,,,you gotta be femiliar with side effects of slin intake!!!)

if your a girly man with boobs i suggest using proviron,,,nolva or arimidex. proviron is what id chose out of the 3,,,it will make your cycle even better and youll see bigger numbers,,,nolva and arimdex be careful with because too many lifters use them at too high of a dose and hurt their gains. yes i consider water weight gains too. your muscles are water.

provi use at 50-75mg a day
nolv at 20mg a day
arimidex at .25 a day or .5 every other day

** this is bulking cycle only and that means you got to eat enough calories for better gains. no food = no size no matter how much drugs you pump in you.

Zikes - if this is the average amateur cycle, with insulin and growth, WTF kinell does an average pro cycle look like !!?? 

[mrbham]

That's a typical gym rat or local bodybuilding show cycle.  Multiply it 3 or 4 times, and you have the starting side of a pro's cycle, at least the test anyways.

[Rimbaud]

im not sure where the 16-17 year old thing started,

Maybe because he acts that old.

[alexxx]

Alexxx,


I'm posting this because I've lost several gym-mates and training partners to the lure of steeeroids... try a cycle; gain 10 lbs; stop juicing; loose 15 lbs; can't face training naturally (psychologically) after using roids... result: stop training.

It's so predictable, so self-defeating, so pathetically tragic... quite depressing actually.

In your case Alex, this is even more applicable... tall, good-looking kid, enthusiastic and (presumably) hard training who has built a solid foundation... now lured by the promise of steeeroids. In the interests of educating the weightlifting public at large, here is a list of questions any would-be steeeroid user should ask himself/herself:

Q Why do I want to use steeeroids?
...most bodybuilders decide to use steeeroids as a result of a prolonged plateau (usually a year or more). This fact dooms most steeeroid users to failure from the start. If you can't gain muscle naturally with a constant natural (normal) androgen level then the only benefit you'll likely get from steeeroids will happen while the level of androgen in the body is steadily increasing to supraphysiological levels. Once the androgen concentration levels off at the (new) higher/enhanced level then whatever you were doing wrong that had caused you to plateau in the first place will catch up with you again and progress will once again come to a grinding halt.
   Don't believe me? Well, during the 70's and 80's and early 90's (when everyone was training the same [volume] and using pretty much the same doses [1,000ish mg p/w]) bodybuilders remained the same size and few if any could break the 250 lb (5'10'') barrier. The current crop of mass monsters are the result of GH and mega-dosing. If you decide to use steeeroids consider the possibility that you if you haven't gained any muscle in the last year (using same poundages etc) then chances are you'll gain 10-15 lbs of muscle during the first 4-8 weeks of your cycle and that'll be it. Beyond that point, assuming you don't lose any muscle coming off and going back on again (you will) or assuming that you simply stay ON (not a good idea) you'll only gain 1.5 to 2 times the amount of muscle per year that you were gaining while natural.... and twice nothing is still and always will be nothing.
   Having accepted the probable results... (accept it) now you should consider whether you're willing to keep increasing the dose till you get the results you want? In your case Alexxx, this means 15 lbs on your first dose... 10 lbs for a doubling of that dose... 8 lbs for a further increase in dose (by the same original dose)... and 5 lbs of muscle for each increase after that. Starting low with a dose that has been shown to cause a muscle gain of 15 lbs in medical studies (while a similar training schedule and diet produced NO muscle gain in the weight-training control group)... that's about 500 mg p/w of testosterone... there are 15 steps to the hundred lbs of muscle you need to be Mr Olympia... and you'll eventually be taking 8 grams a week. Believe me, people who don't know how to gain muscle naturally use mega doses to succeed... Mike Morris admitted to using 4 grams a week... guess what, he fried his kidneys and can't seem to gain naturally.
   Make no mistake, Ronnie is 300 lbs because he was gaining 5 lbs a year, each and every year while natural.

Q Have I reached my natural limit?
...No, you haven't.
Just about everyone (male) is capable of benching 300, squatting 400 (all the way down), and deadlifting 500 (with a narrow stance). From personal experience I'd say 5 reps with 3/4/5 hundred is attainable for at least 50% of healthy men.
   Yet if everyone waited till they could do that BEFORE they started juicing we'd have 8 pro bodybuilders competing today. The best method of determining your natural limit is to gain 10 lbs of new muscle in a year, now do the exact same thing again... and again... and again till you only gain 5 lbs one year, try reducing your training frequency and total sets and/or increase your intensity... if that doesn't get you back to gaining 10 lbs a year then just stick with 5 lbs a year till you grind to a halt... that's your natural limit. For someone Alex's height... I reckon it'd be about 280 lbs @ 10-12% bf... maybe 250 lbs ripped.
   If you can't gain 10 lbs of muscle in a year... then that's probably why you want to use steeeroids in the first place. Steeeroids don't replace proper training and nutrition, if you can't gain naturally you'll quickly plateau on steeeroids. Just for the record, I personally believe that volume training is the number one cause of plateauing in bodybuilding... virtually EVERY successful natural bodybuilder trains HIT style or some variant of such.

Q Which version of 5-alpha-reductase have I inherited?
...are your uncles on your mothers side of the family bald? What about your own brothers? If so, then you'll probably go bald (80% probability) eventually. There's no getting around it, there's a gene that codes for a version of the 5-alpha reductase inhibitor that in turn produces an isoformic version of DHT (dihydrotestosterone) that bonds to some hair follicle receptors and causes baldness. You can take 2mg of finasteride (Proscar or Propecia) every day and offset the effects of isoformic DHT (I do)... but steeeroid users need 5 mg per day to offset the higher conversion rates. 5 mg means a very real possibility of "erectile dysfunction". I have seen steroid users lose all their hair in less than 6 months on the sauce... conversely their brothers can often keep most of their hair well into their forties.

Q What is my cancer risk exposure?
...if your parents/grandparents/aunts and uncles/cousins etc have a higher than average cancer rate then you should really consider all the repercussions of introducing growth factors into your body. Steeeroids (and GH) can greatly accelerate the growth of tumours. Remember, sex-hormone specific cancers are more prevalent in men (higher sex hormone levels); four times as many men die from testicular cancer as women die from breast cancer.

Q What are the possible benefits?
...you could become Mr Olympia. Just gain 150 lbs of muscle and die prematurely... or alternatively gain 50 lbs of muscle and become the Natural Mr Olympia... compete into your 50's and live to be 100 years old (cheaper too).

The Luke

PS-I know I've simplified some of the steroid related science in this post, it was done for demonstrative purposes and the gist of it is correct. No nit-picking/hair-splitting needed.

Hey thanks for that thoughfull post the Luke! You are right. I am going to go back to low volume more rest, when I gained the most, and set my sights on something that will only benefit me on the long run. From creatine alone I should gain 10-20 pounds probably half of it is water. When I was younger I always wanted to live until I was 120.

I appreciate that!

Peace!

[Debussey]

http://www.extremefitness.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2479.html

Do it Munzer style.

Shut up Bagdad Behzad.

[SWOLETRAIN]

GH 15.... The cycle just looks like a normal cycle with the exception of the growth and insulin. Does it play a certian important part in the cycle. In the case that one decides to add GH in, does age of the user make a difference. I heard that one shouldnt use growth until almost 30years old.