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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #75 on: December 08, 2006, 02:25:19 PM »
So if he was so much bette than Yates.... why did he not beat him?

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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #76 on: December 08, 2006, 02:26:35 PM »
Nah, that particular pic shows such obvious dominance that all that's left is assorted lameass excuses as just seen. Laughable.

This is what makes me laugh about you in no way shape or form is Ronnie Coleman dominating Dorian Yates in that picture not in the least , Dorian won with a perfect score Coleman was fighting for 6th lol if thats your idea or ' dominance ' hey look he finished 6th look at his dominate the first place winner lol


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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #77 on: December 08, 2006, 02:27:30 PM »
So if he was so much bette than Yates.... why did he not beat him?

" politics " the MAN held Ronnie down until 1998 lol

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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #78 on: December 08, 2006, 02:28:26 PM »
Actually Sucky, on the bodybuilding stage the competitors are lined up fairly uniformly.  If they were not, it would make the judges job that much more difficult considering perspective, etc.  However, the camera is tilted toward Coleman.  Regardless, it does appear that he is thicker in the back, especially the traps.  However, Dorian is in better conditioning.  The absurdity is that Dorian won with perfect scores; he was off this show.  He appears flat and his conditioning did not even begin to approach his 1993 or even 1995 conditioning.  Thus, I don't know why ND places so much merit on judging as there have been a plethora of IFBB shows that were poorly judged.  Hell, did Gutler really dominate Vic and Dex that much this year...NO.  Dorian was gifted a few of his Olympia wins, as was Ronnie.  Regardless, in this show it is obvious that Ronnie has the size and taper advantage (duh....Ronnie in later years if over thirty pounds larger...he is a true Meso), while Dorian had conditioning.  Thus, as was reverberated over and over again in the 600+ page thread before; pick your poison.  In no way is Dorian appearing more dominant in those pics and vid.  Ronnie is obviously the genetically superior bodybuilding, but Dorian has him on conditioning.  I agree with everyone that Ronnie got hosed that year; he should have been top three.  If Nasser had a back; he would have smoked Dorian. 

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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #79 on: December 08, 2006, 02:32:28 PM »
" politics " the MAN held Ronnie down until 1998 lol

ND, this is where some of your foolish comments get annoying.  You have even admitted that Dorian was anything but dominant in his last few years.  He did not in any way hold Ronnie down; he won on name recognition and size his last few years.  In 1998; Ronnie would have smoked Yates.  End of story; it would have not been close in a legitimately judged show.  Now I agree that Yates in his early years was a complete bad ass.  However, he looked like shit his last few years.  In 1996 he was flat.  In 1997 he looked atrocious; a gift to Britain that was.  Obviously, Ronnie looked like a turd this year and appropriately lost his title.  This should have happened to Yates in 1996 or 1997.  Oh well.

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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #80 on: December 08, 2006, 02:34:10 PM »
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The absurdity is that Dorian won with perfect scores; he was off this show.  He appears flat and his conditioning did not even begin to approach his 1993 or even 1995 conditioning.  Thus, I don't know why ND places so much merit on judging as there have been a plethora of IFBB shows that were poorly judged.

ND really has no clue what he is talking about. each day that becomes more clear to everyone on here. He insists that dorian was so perfectly deserving of all these amazing scores when we can all see that he wasn't.

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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #81 on: December 08, 2006, 02:36:08 PM »
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In 1998; Ronnie would have smoked Yates.  End of story;

very true.

but only if Dorian showed up looking like he did in 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96 or 97.
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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #82 on: December 08, 2006, 02:40:05 PM »
ND really has no clue what he is talking about. each day that becomes more clear to everyone on here. He insists that dorian was so perfectly deserving of all these amazing scores when we can all see that he wasn't.

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha !! bodybuilding history kid get over it  ;) Yates dominates in a way Coleman never did.

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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #83 on: December 08, 2006, 02:41:11 PM »
ND, this is where some of your foolish comments get annoying.  You have even admitted that Dorian was anything but dominant in his last few years.  He did not in any way hold Ronnie down; he won on name recognition and size his last few years.  In 1998; Ronnie would have smoked Yates.  End of story; it would have not been close in a legitimately judged show.  Now I agree that Yates in his early years was a complete bad ass.  However, he looked like shit his last few years.  In 1996 he was flat.  In 1997 he looked atrocious; a gift to Britain that was.  Obviously, Ronnie looked like a turd this year and appropriately lost his title.  This should have happened to Yates in 1996 or 1997.  Oh well.

1997 was a gift 1996 he was the clear cut winner no if ands or buts about it.

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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #84 on: December 08, 2006, 02:42:26 PM »
Yates dominates in a way Coleman never did.


Coleman: 8 Olympias

Yates:    6 Olympias


History baby hahahaahahah...Coleman


DOMINATES...

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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #85 on: December 08, 2006, 02:44:00 PM »

Coleman: 8 Olympias

Yates:    6 Olympias


History baby hahahaahahah...Coleman


DOMINATES...

Dorian beat Ronnie Coleman 9 times NINE times thats bodybuilding history kid.

Ronnie beat Dorian ? zero times lol

Dorian's win/loss ratio - 88%

Ronnie's - 40 %


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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #86 on: December 08, 2006, 02:47:44 PM »
What I cannot understand is why is ND and Co. are the ONLY people to not realize that 95/96 Ronnie LOOKED LIKE SHIT compared to his 98/99 forms?

they keep acting like Ronnie 95/6 was somehow even on the same level as Ronnie of later years and they try and use this flawed argument to make it seem like Dorian would win over Ronnie in 99 just as easily ::)

95 vs. 99:



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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #87 on: December 08, 2006, 02:48:46 PM »
the clear difference in size between 95 and 99 Ronnie is astounding, esp. when you considered that he also got way more detailed..
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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #88 on: December 08, 2006, 03:20:51 PM »
ND, this is where some of your foolish comments get annoying. 

He does seem to excel at nonsensical blather doesn't he?

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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #89 on: December 08, 2006, 03:22:36 PM »
What I cannot understand is why is ND and Co. are the ONLY people to not realize that 95/96 Ronnie LOOKED LIKE SHIT compared to his 98/99 forms?



It's part of the required delusion. I think the handfull of believers in Yates on getbig have to keep reinforcing one another's dogmas. Part of the "circle the wagon" syndrome.

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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #90 on: December 08, 2006, 03:29:22 PM »
the clear difference in size between 95 and 99 Ronnie is astounding, esp. when you considered that he also got way more detailed..

Yates clearly had a growth spurt sometime in the early 90s which is readily acknowledged, yet the change in Coleman's physique is conveniently ignored. I wonder why?  ;D

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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #91 on: December 08, 2006, 03:54:45 PM »
Actually Sucky, on the bodybuilding stage the competitors are lined up fairly uniformly.  If they were not, it would make the judges job that much more difficult considering perspective, etc.  However, the camera is tilted toward Coleman.  Regardless, it does appear that he is thicker in the back, especially the traps.  However, Dorian is in better conditioning.  The absurdity is that Dorian won with perfect scores; he was off this show.  He appears flat and his conditioning did not even begin to approach his 1993 or even 1995 conditioning.  Thus, I don't know why ND places so much merit on judging as there have been a plethora of IFBB shows that were poorly judged.  Hell, did Gutler really dominate Vic and Dex that much this year...NO.  Dorian was gifted a few of his Olympia wins, as was Ronnie.  Regardless, in this show it is obvious that Ronnie has the size and taper advantage (duh....Ronnie in later years if over thirty pounds larger...he is a true Meso), while Dorian had conditioning.  Thus, as was reverberated over and over again in the 600+ page thread before; pick your poison.  In no way is Dorian appearing more dominant in those pics and vid.  Ronnie is obviously the genetically superior bodybuilding, but Dorian has him on conditioning.  I agree with everyone that Ronnie got hosed that year; he should have been top three.  If Nasser had a back; he would have smoked Dorian. 

  Non-sensical to the ultimate. He said that Ronnie was wider than Dorian: Where's the evidence? The point here is that visual comparisons suck to asses something as lat width, because the confounding variables are too many. You say that they are aligned in the same plane, yet they're not facing the camera to the same angle. You say they're aligned, yet there's no question that even standing a few inches behind or forward dramatically changes the perceprion of size, thus making visual assesments unreliable.

  I have made my contention that Dorian was most likely wider, and I presented a hypothesis of why that is the case for the 1999 Ronnie. When it comes to the 1996 Ronnie, the comparison is even more obvious in Dorian's favor because Ronnie was smaller. My rationale is that Dorian's lats were thicker and wider because they weighed the same and yet Ronnie's quads were bigger and Dorian drier, so the equated size could only result from Dorian's bigger lats. This is even more obvious when it comes to 1996. I never said that Dorian's lats were wider, only that odds are. Yet, NeoSperminole said that they were just as wide, and Poopster, the troll, said that Ronnie was wider. Again, this is all bullshit because only the tape measurer could tell the truth. Visual assesments are not accurate!

  Now, you're seriously insane if you think Ronnie deserved to place high in 1996. If he had conme in like he was at the 1996 CPC, then that would be a different story, but the fact is that he was flat, soft and his liabilities were stronger than ever. G=He even had some gut distension. I think you just can't see past your preferences when it comes to Coleman, so you'll look at a video and even say that something that can't even be assesed visually was in Ronnie's favor. Ronnie was lucky to place sizth in 1996; I would have plced him in tenth. These pics are from 1996

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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #92 on: December 08, 2006, 04:10:24 PM »
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If he had conme in like he was at the 1996 CPC, then that would be a different story, but the fact is that he was flat, soft and his liabilities were stronger than ever

really?

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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #93 on: December 08, 2006, 04:12:04 PM »
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Visual assesments are not accurate!

yes but that is what this ENTIRE SPORT is BASED ON! ::)
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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #94 on: December 08, 2006, 04:14:11 PM »
holy shit dorian had a massive gut in 96
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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #95 on: December 08, 2006, 04:19:04 PM »
yes but that is what this ENTIRE SPORT is BASED ON! ::)

  Not when the issue at hand is establishing actual width, which is accurate and mathematical, and not visual. ;)

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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #96 on: December 08, 2006, 04:21:03 PM »
  Not when the issue at hand is establishing actual width, which is accurate and mathematical, and not visual. ;)

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With clear pictorial EVIDENCE, those are the words of a bonehead.

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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #97 on: December 08, 2006, 04:24:39 PM »
What I cannot understand is why is ND and Co. are the ONLY people to not realize that 95/96 Ronnie LOOKED LIKE SHIT compared to his 98/99 forms?

they keep acting like Ronnie 95/6 was somehow even on the same level as Ronnie of later years and they try and use this flawed argument to make it seem like Dorian would win over Ronnie in 99 just as easily ::)

95 vs. 99:





Who said Ronnie 1995? no one another straw man for you to knock down , no one else claiming Ronnie was anything in 1995. 1996 was another story  ;)

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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #98 on: December 08, 2006, 04:25:15 PM »
  Not when the issue at hand is establishing actual width, which is accurate and mathematical, and not visual. ;)

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but of what relevance is the actual number when its the illusion that counts?

eg. take two guys with equal "mathematical" lat widths.

one has a wide, monster oblique waist, lets call this guy "dorian" just for the sake of argument.

the other has a tiny, trim waist. Let call this guy um.."Ronnie" just for the hell of it.

Now onstage, who is going to look wider?

the guy we called Ronnie will...
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Re: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???
« Reply #99 on: December 08, 2006, 04:28:41 PM »
but of what relevance is the actual number when its the illusion that counts?

eg. take two guys with equal "mathematical" lat widths.

one has a wide, monster oblique waist, lets call this guy "dorian" just for the sake of argument.

the other has a tiny, trim waist. Let call this guy um.."Ronnie" just for the hell of it.

Now onstage, who is going to look wider?

the guy we called Ronnie will...

lets put to bed this myth that the guy with the widest back and best V-taper is going to win because its a myth and nothing more , see Shawn Ray , see Flex Wheeler .