Author Topic: Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian??? (Read 41863 times)

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #175 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:13:46 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on December 08, 2006, 08:08:35 PM

Funny, Serge Nubret agrees with me both on it being a coin-toss and the fact that Oliva didn't have the advantage of having politics on his side. ND once again trying to justify his racism.

If I were a ' racist ' I'd be the first to admit it but your claim is baseless and simply not true , I have a black man in my avatar

I'm a huge fan of both Flex Wheeler and Lee Haney you have nothing to work with pumpy

you're getting very desperate now .

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #176 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:14:27 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 08, 2006, 08:11:49 PM

and the same holds true for ronnie...

Sorry I've never once seen that quote applied to Ronnie not once.

pumpster · « **Reply #177 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:14:48 PM »

Quote

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.

Someone was on here a while ago who saw Yates in person, said he wasn't impressed. $:-\$

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #178 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:15:40 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on December 08, 2006, 08:14:48 PM

Someone was on here a while ago who saw Yates in person, said he wasn't impressed. $:-\$

Someone on here said a while ago he saw the 1997 Mr Olympia and it was no contest Yates destroyed everyone.

pumpster · « **Reply #179 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:16:22 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on December 08, 2006, 08:13:46 PM

If I were a ' racist ' I'd be the first to admit it but your claim is baseless and simply not true , I have a black man in my avatar I'm a huge fan of both Flex Wheeler and Lee Haney you have nothing to work with pumpy you're getting very desperate now .

OWNED on yet ANOTHER obvious bias regarding a black BB competing against a white BB. A clear trend incidentally.

logical? · « **Reply #180 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:17:10 PM »

Quote from: suckmymuscle on December 08, 2006, 08:03:11 PM

Well, I think that the skeletal frame argument is a stretch, but my opinion has been enhanced further by evidence. Let's see:

- Dorian's frame is thicker, but Ronnie's bones weight more. They even out. Check.

- Dorian's muscle bellies are as long as Ronnie's, only not as round. Check.

- Roundness of muscles have no bearing in muscle weight. Check.

- Dorian arguably had greater muscle fiber density than Ronnie. Check.

- Increased muscle fiber density makes a muscle heavier. Check.

- They weighted the same. Check.

- Dorian arguably had less sub-cutaneuous water. Check.

So, in conclusion, deductive logic tells us that Dorian carried more lean muscle tissue than Ronnie. Case closed.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

When you say that if someone's lats appear wider than another's, this is not an indication of width- what do you mean by this? If I look to have lats 1 M wide, and you look like having lats 10 M wide- is this not an indication of width?

Further, my question has gone unanswered. If the IFBB judging criteria is continually updated, why has there been no explicit mention of striations and vascularity which has only been more recently achieved (~lsat 20 years)?

pumpster · « **Reply #181 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:17:50 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on December 08, 2006, 08:15:40 PM

Someone on here said a while ago he saw the 1997 Mr Olympia and it was no contest Yates destroyed everyone.

Excuse me, that character came on after the first one who said Yates looked weak, but had no credibility or details whatsoever about the contest, let alone believability, the way the first guy did.

logical? · « **Reply #182 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:18:09 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on December 08, 2006, 08:13:46 PM

If I were a ' racist ' I'd be the first to admit it but your claim is baseless and simply not true , I have a black man in my avatar I'm a huge fan of both Flex Wheeler and Lee Haney you have nothing to work with pumpy you're getting very desperate now .

Yeah, racism is a big call, Hulkster. You could equally be accused of being anti-white for your lack of concessions to camp yates.

pumpster · « **Reply #183 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:20:09 PM »

Quote from: logical? on December 08, 2006, 08:18:09 PM

Yeah, racism is a big call, Hulkster. You could equally be accused of being anti-white for your lack of concessions to camp yates.

Earlier in the truce thread several of the pro-Coleman guys were accused of being "non-whites" with racial agendas, which was farcical since it's verifiably untrue. The accusations were entirely serious and repeated more than once by one of ND's skinheads.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #184 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:23:16 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on December 08, 2006, 08:16:22 PM

OWNED on yet ANOTHER obvious bias regarding a black BB competing against a white BB. A clear trend incidentally.

This is your pathetic attempt to stir up the pot and you have nothing to work with , you're the one obsessed with race ( the white race apparently ) you have some issues .

Hulkster · « **Reply #185 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:24:10 PM »

Quote from: logical? on December 08, 2006, 08:18:09 PM

Yeah, racism is a big call, Hulkster. You could equally be accused of being anti-white for your lack of concessions to camp yates.

that would be difficult considering I am white myself.

And I have made concessions to camp yates.

its just that most of what is claimed about Dorian's post tear physique is NOT backed up by the visuals (ie all those perfect scores despite the myriad of yates-getting-owned- pics)

doesn't matter whether dorian was white, black, pink or purple.

If the visuals do not corroborate with the incredible scores, that person is overrated. period.

pumpster · « **Reply #186 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:25:01 PM »

Based on ample posts, ND has attacked Oliva & Coleman equally, like a rabid dog, in regards to fantasy-figures Schwarzengger, Yates & Priest. Not a coincidence. Has openly admitted to a preference for "handsome white BBs" including confirmed fruitcake Bob Paris.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #187 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:29:51 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on December 08, 2006, 08:20:09 PM

Earlier in the truce thread several of the pro-Coleman guys were accused of being "non-whites" with racial agendas, which was farcical since it's verifiably untrue. The accusations were entirely serious and repeated more than once by one of ND's skinheads.

Whats ironic is on the truce thread you and Hulkster BOTH referred to Dorian as " The Blocky White Guy " this is your comment NOT mine

, I never once got involved with people making fun of the way Ronnie speaks or articulates himself I keep my remarks to his physique

I posted this quote

Lee Priest

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.

And your response was

pumpster
Who cares what Lee Priest says, he's not exactly stable on his 3rd marriage.

Lots of racism still around in redneck Australia as well.

Classic bricklayer shot..

implying Priest was racist by virtue of being born in Australia , this is your comment NOT mine lol you're the one who is obsessed with race and continue to play yourself .

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #188 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:31:01 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 08, 2006, 08:24:10 PM

that would be difficult considering I am white myself.

And I have made concessions to camp yates.

its just that most of what is claimed about Dorian's post tear physique is NOT backed up by the visuals (ie all those perfect scores despite the myriad of yates-getting-owned- pics)

doesn't matter whether dorian was white, black, pink or purple.

If the visuals do not corroborate with the incredible scores, that person is overrated. period.

Oh so you're back to saying he's overrated? lol is he still the most overrated bodybuilder of all time? or have you come to your senses?

Hulkster · « **Reply #189 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:35:32 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on December 08, 2006, 08:31:01 PM

Oh so you're back to saying he's overrated? lol is he still the most overrated bodybuilder of all time? or have you come to your senses?

you cannot tell me that post tear dorian was not overrated.

come on ND.

Gone was the left biceps, totally ruining his front double bi due to horrible symmetry.

gone was the great midsection, replaced by massive obliques from 94 on (not as bad in 92/3).

Arms noticabally smaller in 96/7 as were his quads.

Dorian never looked the same post tear.

never:

Many a bodybuilder owned him in countless poses,
and yet he still recieved perfect scores

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #190 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:36:51 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on December 08, 2006, 08:25:01 PM

Based on ample posts, ND has attacked Oliva & Coleman equally, like a rabid dog, in regards to fantasy-figures Schwarzengger, Yates & Priest. Not a coincidence. Has openly admitted to a preference for "handsome white BBs" including confirmed fruitcake Bob Paris.

Attacked Oliva and Coleman? lol one need not look any further than the truce thread to see your bias and pathetic attempts to label people , you're the one who claimed Dorian was handpicked because he was white for marketing reasons , you're the one who called Yates a ' Blocky White Guy " you're obsessed the moment one person thinks another is better than your ' heros '

I didn't have a problem with Sergio beating Arnold in 1969 , I didn't have a problem with Haney beating Yates in 1991 , I didn't have a problem with Yates losing to the Algerian Momo , I don't have a problem with race you do thats your hang-up and thats a shame

And I am a huge fan of Bob Paris NOT because he's handsome because he was a great bodybuilder and on top of being obsessed with race you're also homophobic? lol Paris is a ' fruitcake ' ? man you're in a dark place dude.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #191 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:39:16 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 08, 2006, 08:35:32 PM

you cannot tell me that post tear dorian was not overrated.

come on ND.

Gone was the left biceps, totally ruining his front double bi due to horrible symmetry.

gone was the great midsection, replaced by massive obliques from 94 on (not as bad in 92/3).

Arms noticabally smaller in 96/7 as were his quads.

Dorian never looked the same post tear.

never:

Many a bodybuilder owned him in countless poses,
and yet he still recieved perfect scores

1995 he was just as good as 1993 if not better !! sans the shorter bicep he was outstanding in 1995 and in 1996 he was the clear cut winner , and you know how I feel about 1997 and you keep posting that picture to highlight Yates thick obliques and its stating the obvious NO kidding his oblqiues are thick its old news lol

suckmymuscle · « **Reply #192 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:39:52 PM »

Quote from: suckmymuscle on December 08, 2006, 08:03:11 PM

Well, I think that the skeletal frame argument is a stretch, but my opinion has been enhanced further by evidence. Let's see:

- Dorian's frame is thicker, but Ronnie's bones weight more. They even out. Check.

- Dorian's muscle bellies are as long as Ronnie's, only not as round. Check.

- Roundness of muscles have no bearing in muscle weight. Check.

- Dorian arguably had greater muscle fiber density than Ronnie. Check.

- Increased muscle fiber density makes a muscle heavier. Check.

- They weighted the same. Check.

- Dorian arguably had less sub-cutaneuous water. Check.

So, in conclusion, deductive logic tells us that Dorian carried more lean muscle tissue than Ronnie. Case closed.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Hulkster, to prove that you're an idiot, here's yet another one of my posts that you failed to address.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Hulkster · « **Reply #193 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:58:22 PM »

Quote from: suckmymuscle on December 08, 2006, 08:39:52 PM

Hulkster, to prove that you're an idiot, here's yet another one of my posts that you failed to address.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

oh, I will address, don't you worry...

Hulkster · « **Reply #194 on:** December 08, 2006, 09:03:45 PM »

Quote from: suckmymuscle on December 08, 2006, 08:03:11 PM

Well, I think that the skeletal frame argument is a stretch, but my opinion has been enhanced further by evidence. Let's see:

- Dorian's frame is thicker, but Ronnie's bones weight more. They even out. Check.

- Dorian's muscle bellies are as long as Ronnie's, only not as round. Check.

- Roundness of muscles have no bearing in muscle weight. Check.

- Dorian arguably had greater muscle fiber density than Ronnie. Check.

- Increased muscle fiber density makes a muscle heavier. Check.

- They weighted the same. Check.

- Dorian arguably had less sub-cutaneuous water. Check.

So, in conclusion, deductive logic tells us that Dorian carried more lean muscle tissue than Ronnie. Case closed.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

your speculation does NOT hold up to the test of REALITY, since we can clearly see here that the argument that dorian probably has more musce fibre density and less subcutaneous fat is incorrect:

his arms and chest would NOT appear so watery in comparison to ronnie if he did:

the same holds true for the quads, glutes and hams.

The ONLY part of Dorian that appeared to hold less subcutaneous fat than Ronnie 99 is the lower back and abs. THATS IT.

that does not make up for the other 90% of the body.

OWNED

Hulkster · « **Reply #195 on:** December 08, 2006, 09:06:42 PM »

sucky's conclusions do not appear to hold up to the yardstick of real life:

pobrecito · « **Reply #196 on:** December 08, 2006, 09:15:20 PM »

Dorian was better conditioned and drier than Ronnie ever was.

Look at Dorian's chest in this comparison. It completely blows away Ronnie's in thickness and striations, despite being 20lbs smaller.

Hulkster · « **Reply #197 on:** December 08, 2006, 09:19:49 PM »

LOL what a dumb post.

Dorian's chest blow's Ronnie's 42 year old chest away?

why not try a pic from a time when ronnie was closer to his prime next time

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pobrecito · « **Reply #198 on:** December 08, 2006, 09:22:13 PM »

Even in this screencap from 99 (which is more flattering than the actual pictures of that contest), Ronnie's chest is no thicker and no more striated than that shot from 95 for Dorian. I would claim that Dorian's chest was actually thicker.

logical? · « **Reply #199 on:** December 08, 2006, 09:23:04 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 08, 2006, 08:24:10 PM

that would be difficult considering I am white myself.

And I have made concessions to camp yates.

its just that most of what is claimed about Dorian's post tear physique is NOT backed up by the visuals (ie all those perfect scores despite the myriad of yates-getting-owned- pics)

doesn't matter whether dorian was white, black, pink or purple.

If the visuals do not corroborate with the incredible scores, that person is overrated. period.

Reverse-discrimination + insecurity about deep-seated racial awareness