Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???

[logical?]

Even in this screencap from 99 (which is more flattering than the actual pictures of that contest), Ronnie's chest is no thicker and no more striated than that shot from 95 for Dorian. I would claim that Dorian's chest was actually thicker.

Dorian's chest is off the hook there, but it looks like Ronnie's covering up his lower chest with his arms- so we can't accurately guage his lower chest thickness compared to Dorian's.

[Hulkster]

Dorian was better conditioned and drier than Ronnie ever was.

yeah, and this showed in 10% of the muscle groups on the body...

Dorian had less subcutaneous fat over his abs and lower back.

no where else:

arms - ronnie's biceps were actually striated and split. dorian;s were smooth. Triceps- Ronnie's striated, Dorian's smooth (although with great shape).

Chest - again, ronnie's is far more detailed at his peak.

Quads/glutes/hams - no contest - Ronnie's displayed far less sub epidermal fat.

Back - lower back is dorian's, upper back is even.

Delts - another easy one for Ronnie, who displayed incredible dryness and details.

So no, the bullshit about Yates being dryer and better conditioned does NOT apply to 1999 Ronnie.

May to 2001 ronnie, or 2003 Ronnie or 2006 Ronnie,

but NOT to 1999 Ronnie.

[Hulkster]

Dorian's chest is off the hook there, but it looks like Ronnie's covering up his lower chest with his arms- so we can't accurately guage his lower chest thickness compared to Dorian's.

maybe this will help:

[pobrecito]

Dorian's chest is off the hook there, but it looks like Ronnie's covering up his lower chest with his arms- so we can't accurately guage his lower chest thickness compared to Dorian's.

logical - the thing that is so upsetting about Hulkster's stance to many people is his fanatical preaching of self-proclaimed dogma that Ronnie would absolutely blow Dorian off the stage. This is simply not the case. You can post all the 99 screencaps you want, Ronnie blew away his peers - but so did Dorian in 95. And given the fact that both carried roughly the same amount of muscle with Dorian being slighly denser, it would not be a cakewalk for either.

[logical?]

maybe this will help:

Probably not the best pic to post to illustrate your claim lol.

[Hulkster]

or this:

[logical?]

logical - the thing that is so upsetting about Hulkster's stance to many people is his fanatical preaching of self-proclaimed dogma that Ronnie would absolutely blow Dorian off the stage. This is simply not the case. You can post all the 99 screencaps you want, Ronnie blew away his peers - but so did Dorian in 95. And given the fact that both carried roughly the same amount of muscle with Dorian being slighly denser, it would not be a cakewalk for either.

What's also upsetting is that you posted a mm of Ronnie in 2005 to make a comparison- one of his lesser years!

[logical?]

or this:

Yes, that pic is nuts. It has to be one of the freakiest sights ever in bodybuilding.

[pobrecito]

What's also upsetting is that you posted a mm of Ronnie in 2005 to make a comparison- one of his lesser years!

how many times did we have to go over this.

I can only make a comparison if I find a picture of the same pose and relatively the same angle.

I found a picture of Ronnie's 1999 MM from the IFBB website but it's too small to use for the comparison. If you have a 99 most-muscular of ronnie in the same angle as Dorian I would be glad to make a comparison. Like I said, I believe Dorian's chest fares extremely well against Ronnie at his best.

[Hulkster]

Yes, that pic is nuts. It has to be one of the freakiest sights ever in bodybuilding.

agreed.

[logical?]

how many times did we have to go over this.

I can only make a comparison if I find a picture of the same pose and relatively the same angle.

I found a picture of Ronnie's 1999 MM from the IFBB website but it's too small to use for the comparison. If you have a 99 most-muscular of ronnie in the same angle as Dorian I would be glad to make a comparison. Like I said, I believe Dorian's chest fares extremely well against Ronnie at his best.

Hulkster, I'm sure you can dig out a MM from 2003 of Ronnie to help pobrecito out

[Hulkster]

how many times did we have to go over this.

I can only make a comparison if I find a picture of the same pose and relatively the same angle.

I found a picture of Ronnie's 1999 MM from the IFBB website but it's too small to use for the comparison. If you have a 99 most-muscular of ronnie in the same angle as Dorian I would be glad to make a comparison. Like I said, I believe Dorian's chest fares extremely well against Ronnie at his best.

[pobrecito]

Post a set of pictures of a pro from a single contest that can match these from Dorian. Simply put, you cannot do this unless you use Ronnie. For as much shit as you all talk about Dorian, he and Ronnie were still well above their peers.

[pobrecito]

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[logical?]

Post a set of pictures of a pro from a single contest that can match these from Dorian. Simply put, you cannot do this unless you use Ronnie. For as much shit as you all talk about Dorian, he and Ronnie were still well above their peers.

What do you think of Kevin Levrone's most muscular in his prime, pobrecito?

[Hulkster]

some side angle shots to help pubic out:

[pobrecito]

Hmm....if I could use one word to describe Levrone's MM it would be "inflated."

Kevin was known to use a lot of esiclene and I think it really showed - he looked huge in the most muscular, but not really dense at all - especially considering he was the same weight as Dorian in 1995.

That being said, Kevin's lower body, really never was on par with his upper body, let alone his calves.

[logical?]

Hmm....if I could use one word to describe Levrone's MM it would be "inflated."

Kevin was known to use a lot of esiclene and I think it really showed - he looked huge in the most muscular, but not really dense at all - especially considering he was the same weight as Dorian in 1995.

That being said, Kevin's lower body, really never was on par with his upper body, let alone his calves.

I know the feeling you're talking about- that does hold for certain years. There are a few pics around from his best showings (eg 99 English GP) that show him with density. true, though, the one thing that does jump out at you with Dorian- probably moreso than his size- is just how much like a shaped piece of granite he resembles.

And Kevin's lower body was only sub-par post-2000 or so. He was really known for amazing wheels in the mid-90s.

[Hulkster]

Post a set of pictures of a pro from a single contest that can match these from Dorian. Simply put, you cannot do this unless you use Ronnie. For as much shit as you all talk about Dorian, he and Ronnie were still well above their peers.

for the rear lat spread, no, we do have to use ronnie.

but for the other shots, there are some crazy shots of both Flex and Shawn out there..

[pobrecito]

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[Hulkster]

 

[Hulkster]

dorian just cannot compete with Ronnie in the mm.

his arms, delts and chest are just not detailed and vascular enough.

[Hulkster]

its amazing how much more detailed Ronnie's delts are..

[logical?]

Yeah, but I'm starting to come to the conclusion that perhaps Ronnie is too separated when compared to Dorian.

Whoa, I haven't gone crazy, but what I mean is that it might harm his hardness- Dorian's trump card. Something about Dorian that he just looks grainy, hard- like a block of stone; maybe Ronnie is too separated to look like said piece of stone?

[Hulkster]

there is no such thing as too much seperation in bodybuilding provided that you have the shape and size to go with it.