Is "competing" a way of rationalizing heavy drug use?

[Croatch]

AAS is no less natural than beef. It's just deemed that way by society. However, as we know, society can, and frequently does, get things wrong.

Agreed on that.  Cocaine is natural too.  It's from the coca plant.

Maybe I'll wear that on a t-shirt.  ALL NATURAL!!
Whether something is natural or not, is irrelevant.  It's the road you take to get where you are that counts in my book.

You're trying to placate yourself by resorting to semantics.

I need to incorporate those two words into one sentence.  I'll have women drooling over me.

[Debussey]

Sorry to break it to you Debussey, but Croatch uses tons of gear.  Like a gram a week not to mention copious dbol use.

What kind of proof do you have?

[Croatch]

Sorry to break it to you Debussey, but Croatch uses tons of gear.  Like a gram a week not to mention copious dbol use.

Matt C is correct.  He lives in my bathroom, under my sink and knows all about my gear usage.

What kind of proof do you have?

He probaby has photos and video, but is waiting until I'm mainstream to release the footage to Hardcopy to earn a paycheck.

[MisterMagoo]

Crotch doesn't look like a juicer.

You suggest he start hitting the steroids?

YIP
Zack

crotch doesn't look like it, but he exhibits the clearest traits of a juicer trying to act like he doesn't. he's the equivalent of the closeted homo that spends all of his time gay-bashing.

[Croatch]

crotch doesn't look like it, but he exhibits the clearest traits of a juicer trying to act like he doesn't. he's the equivalent of the closeted homo that spends all of his time gay-bashing.

Yeah, whatever fag!

[MisterMagoo]

Yeah, whatever fag!

but... but... 

[tomr1976]

crotch doesn't look like it, but he exhibits the clearest traits of a juicer trying to act like he doesn't. he's the equivalent of the closeted homo that spends all of his time gay-bashing.

But Zach, aren't you...bi?

I thought I remember you posting a long time ago that you experimented, or had fantasies... 

[Devon97]

Croach,
Why do you think your lifting partner does such heavy gear usage? And he doesnt even compete anymore. I say its a self esteem issue.

[The Squadfather]

People use anabolics for plain and simple reasons if you dont use them and you get your ass on stage at a national level you will get your assed spanked.If you people think these guys who claim to be natural and place at national level shows dont use gear your fooling yourselves.

Yes I used gear, but f**k it alteast I man enough to admit it.I have seen guys and have known guys who were on types of gear enter natural shows.These days even the guys in local shows used more gear then I did when I went into the USA's.

I am not saying drugs are right, because I wish all bodybuilders didnt use drugs, but drugs arent going away its always going to be apart of bodybuilding.People use steroids out of pressure, I know I have been there.I naturally qualified for the Mr USA.

I was totally drug free at the time 33 years old, and off season 255 lbs and competing at 216-220lbs after training for 14-15 years.I was genetically maxed out, and what was I going to do, enter the Mr USA naturally? I could have, but I would have gotten totally killed. I would have been a 5'11" heavyweight at about 216-220 lbs which is not impressive on a big boned man on the national level.

Most of the guys who enter national shows as heavyweights are 5'6-5'8" have small bones and are shredded.Plus conditioning, is another thing a natural guy looks decently hard until you put him against a shredded guy on anabolics. A person on anabolics has rounder fuller muscle bellies , there muscles are twice as dence, and they get twice as hard a a "real " natural guy.

I tip my hat off to all natural guys, because I know how hard it really is to be natural.But there is literally no replacement for steroids, and there is no way around them if you want to go big time in bodybuilding.Its a shame that "REAL " natural shows dont get alot of publicity because the athletes deserve it. The unfortunate thing is most people go to bodybuilding shows to see freaks, not guys who look good.

I was one of the biggest "all natural "bodybuilders in the INBA after 15 years of training, and I could hold a candle to most guys in open national bodybuilding.People go to topless bars to see average looking girls with average size boobs do they? No they go there to see big chested hot looking slutty women, another words freaks.Society is to blame for athletes using steroids.

Take a look at baseball, the sport was slowly  starting to die until big Mark Macguire got on the sauce and started knocking the ball out of the park.If you think he didnt use anabolics your kidding yourself, I have one of his rookie cards and he was  like 145 lbs as a rookie.When he was a his peak he was 250 lbs from Androstene, ?lol I dont think so.

The bottom line is yes it would be nice if steroids werent invented, but the sad truth is they are here to stay like it or not.

As long as the fans and the promoters keep wanting the athletes or bodybuilders to be bigger stronger and faster, the more steroids they will use.You cant blame the athletes, that is there lively hood, and they are paid to perform, if they dont perform, they lose there job or get repelced.In a perfect world there would be no steroids, but infornatly our world isnt perfect and niether are the athletes.

So before you point  fingers at athletes who use anabolics, you may want to look at the reason why they are using them.Trust me from an athlete who did use anabolics up until a year ago, I wish I didnt have to after being natural for 15 years

Mark McGwire was big?

[Croatch]

Croach,
Why do you think your lifting partner does such heavy gear usage? And he doesnt even compete anymore. I say its a self esteem issue.

The last time I lifted with someone was in 03' and he doesn't juice.  You're probably confusing him with your life partner.

[Devon97]

No, I am talking about the guy who gave u advice on your g/f. lol  pretty bad u had to go to him for advice anyway

[Van_Bilderass]

Whether something is natural or not, is irrelevant.  It's the road you take to get where you are that counts in my book.

Why is the harder way the better way? Is a natural bb more noble in some way? Is using steroids the easier way anyway? Sticking needles in your body every day and worrying about rotting your insides gets old after a while and can be a very hard road to travel.

[tomr1976]

Why did TA break Zach G's trust?

Magoo=Zach.

Poor Magoo now faces an account deletion if he is to save any face.

[TheGoldenPrince]

People use anabolics for plain and simple reasons if you dont use them and you get your ass on stage at a national level you will get your assed spanked.If you people think these guys who claim to be natural and place at national level shows dont use gear your fooling yourselves.

Yes I used gear, but f**k it alteast I man enough to admit it.I have seen guys and have known guys who were on types of gear enter natural shows.These days even the guys in local shows used more gear then I did when I went into the USA's.

I am not saying drugs are right, because I wish all bodybuilders didnt use drugs, but drugs arent going away its always going to be apart of bodybuilding.People use steroids out of pressure, I know I have been there.I naturally qualified for the Mr USA.

I was totally drug free at the time 33 years old, and off season 255 lbs and competing at 216-220lbs after training for 14-15 years.I was genetically maxed out, and what was I going to do, enter the Mr USA naturally? I could have, but I would have gotten totally killed. I would have been a 5'11" heavyweight at about 216-220 lbs which is not impressive on a big boned man on the national level.

Most of the guys who enter national shows as heavyweights are 5'6-5'8" have small bones and are shredded.Plus conditioning, is another thing a natural guy looks decently hard until you put him against a shredded guy on anabolics. A person on anabolics has rounder fuller muscle bellies , there muscles are twice as dence, and they get twice as hard a a "real " natural guy.

I tip my hat off to all natural guys, because I know how hard it really is to be natural.But there is literally no replacement for steroids, and there is no way around them if you want to go big time in bodybuilding.Its a shame that "REAL " natural shows dont get alot of publicity because the athletes deserve it. The unfortunate thing is most people go to bodybuilding shows to see freaks, not guys who look good.

I was one of the biggest "all natural "bodybuilders in the INBA after 15 years of training, and I could hold a candle to most guys in open national bodybuilding.People go to topless bars to see average looking girls with average size boobs do they? No they go there to see big chested hot looking slutty women, another words freaks.Society is to blame for athletes using steroids.

Take a look at baseball, the sport was slowly  starting to die until big Mark Macguire got on the sauce and started knocking the ball out of the park.If you think he didnt use anabolics your kidding yourself, I have one of his rookie cards and he was  like 145 lbs as a rookie.When he was a his peak he was 250 lbs from Androstene, ?lol I dont think so.

The bottom line is yes it would be nice if steroids werent invented, but the sad truth is they are here to stay like it or not.

As long as the fans and the promoters keep wanting the athletes or bodybuilders to be bigger stronger and faster, the more steroids they will use.You cant blame the athletes, that is there lively hood, and they are paid to perform, if they dont perform, they lose there job or get repelced.In a perfect world there would be no steroids, but infornatly our world isnt perfect and niether are the athletes.

So before you point  fingers at athletes who use anabolics, you may want to look at the reason why they are using them.Trust me from an athlete who did use anabolics up until a year ago, I wish I didnt have to after being natural for 15 years

Yes, there is actually avery potent replacement for steroids, without the side effects like ball shrinkage and gyno..the natural secret is bee pollen...

[logical?]

That's a retarded argument.

Do you realise how retarded that is?

I've seen studies showing people engaging in everday activities gaining muscle faster on test, then natural trainers. With that kind of power, there's no reason to be impressed by these bloated "bodybuilders." Most people just look at them as juice monkeys cus that's what they are.

And no, let's not mince words. That's semantics you're engaging in. When people say "natural" they mean without the aid of synthetic hormones. You know that and so does everyone else. You're trying to placate yourself by resorting to semantics. Like I said, these guys aren't impressive. None of them, save the top pros.

Hormones are as synthetic as protein powder, dehydrated milk and frozen beef.

Natural= naturally occuring. Body produces test. Test is natural. Full stop.


If most people thought the earth was at the centre of the solar system (read history), I guess you'd say that this means the earth was at the centre of the solar system, then?

[Nordic Beast]

shit all the hundreds of thousands of woman using estrogen---------------are they scumbags and drug addicts in ur eyes too croatch

its all hormones------someone using hormones to become feminine are fine and acceptable but for  a man to become stronger and bigger-------------------well it usaually elicits this typical jealous, threatened attitude--------------------------------------why is that?


why do u have so much hate and negativity towards people who aren't affecting ur life Croatch?

I dont use gear but if someone wants to then fine----just like if someone wants to smoke ciggarettes or do drugs----------------it aint me using them so f)ck it


why are u such a tight ass hater croatch?

[Croatch]

shit all the hundreds of thousands of woman using estrogen---------------are they scumbags and drug addicts in ur eyes too croatch

its all hormones------someone using hormones to become feminine are fine and acceptable but for  a man to become stronger and bigger-------------------well it usaually elicits this typical jealous, threatened attitude--------------------------------------why is that?


why do u have so much hate and negativity towards people who aren't affecting ur life Croatch?

I dont use gear but if someone wants to then fine----just like if someone wants to smoke ciggarettes or do drugs----------------it aint me using them so f)ck it


why are u such a tight ass hater croatch?

Meltdown

[logical?]

Meltdown

Croatch doesn't hate them, it's just part of his online persona. It's not like when he falls asleep at night it's to the sight of counting corpses of steroid-related deaths.

At least I don't think it is...

Well I hope it's not 

[GoneAway]

It's not an excuse if you've reached your genetical limit naturally. It's just a means to an end to compete with the bigger guys.

[Nordic Beast]

Meltdown

meltdown----come on Croatch even u have to agree I made a valid point-----------Estrogen is acceptable and fine because it doesn't encite this jealous, threatened attitude that the majority of males feel about other guys being bigger and stronger than them

Answer the question Croatch---"do u feel a woman taking estrogen is as corrupt and f*cked up as a man taking testosterone?"----and why do u feel this way?

[Rimbaud]

Croatchie....

People who megadose AAS have various justifications for their behaviour.

For some it's addiction, both a mental and physical one.

For others, it's just a reason to abuse a drug, just one that happens to be anabolic in nature opposed to catabolic.

I think it's high-time you stopped asking the bullshit questions, Croatcher, and joined up with the DarkSide.

At least you can be part of something for once instead of just a casual observer on the outside looking in.

Take a chance in life, bro.



DIV

I couldn't agree more.

[GetItOnNY]

Croatch has an obsession against steroids and steroid users.I say to Croatch get over it all ready, lol.If guys want to use gear thats there choice, not yours, you cant control the world.Croatch you have a great physique for a natural guy, but you never stepped on stage and had to deal with the pressures of having to please the fans.

I went as far as a possibly could naturally I was 255lbs ,bench pressing 500 lbs and curling 225 for 4 reps, so I was pushing myself to the utmost limit .I was literally stuck at 255lbs after being there for 4 years and I just couldnt grow anymore.I won most of the natural shows I entered except Team Universe and Musclemania, but those shows are far from natural.So what does a natural do when he is 33 years ols genetically maxed out and went as far he could possibly go naturally?
I could have used anabolics and entered Muscle Mania, and TU and won them both.But instead I did the noble thing and eneter non tested shows like the Mr USA..

I understand Croatch you hate the fact that bodybuilders use steroids, but what sprot doest these days.Croatch you just train to look good so you can bang as many big titied broads as you can because your a dirty little beast.You dont work out to compete or look good on stage, so you would never understnd the pressures of having to use steroids
Croatch get over the Napleaon complex my friend and come by my house and I will give you a shot of testosterone to make you feel better okay, lmao........

[gh15]

"Croatch you just train to look good so you can bang as many big titied broads as you can because your a dirty little beast"

 

[beatmaster]

well i don't know anything about steroids,  all i know is they have a lot of protein.

lmao, man this one takes the cake

[gordiano]

People use anabolics for plain and simple reasons if you dont use them and you get your ass on stage at a national level you will get your assed spanked.If you people think these guys who claim to be natural and place at national level shows dont use gear your fooling yourselves.

Yes I used gear, but f**k it alteast I man enough to admit it.I have seen guys and have known guys who were on types of gear enter natural shows.These days even the guys in local shows used more gear then I did when I went into the USA's.

I am not saying drugs are right, because I wish all bodybuilders didnt use drugs, but drugs arent going away its always going to be apart of bodybuilding.People use steroids out of pressure, I know I have been there.I naturally qualified for the Mr USA.

I was totally drug free at the time 33 years old, and off season 255 lbs and competing at 216-220lbs after training for 14-15 years.I was genetically maxed out, and what was I going to do, enter the Mr USA naturally? I could have, but I would have gotten totally killed. I would have been a 5'11" heavyweight at about 216-220 lbs which is not impressive on a big boned man on the national level.

Most of the guys who enter national shows as heavyweights are 5'6-5'8" have small bones and are shredded.Plus conditioning, is another thing a natural guy looks decently hard until you put him against a shredded guy on anabolics. A person on anabolics has rounder fuller muscle bellies , there muscles are twice as dence, and they get twice as hard a a "real " natural guy.

I tip my hat off to all natural guys, because I know how hard it really is to be natural.But there is literally no replacement for steroids, and there is no way around them if you want to go big time in bodybuilding.Its a shame that "REAL " natural shows dont get alot of publicity because the athletes deserve it. The unfortunate thing is most people go to bodybuilding shows to see freaks, not guys who look good.

I was one of the biggest "all natural "bodybuilders in the INBA after 15 years of training, and I could hold a candle to most guys in open national bodybuilding.People go to topless bars to see average looking girls with average size boobs do they? No they go there to see big chested hot looking slutty women, another words freaks.Society is to blame for athletes using steroids.

Take a look at baseball, the sport was slowly  starting to die until big Mark Macguire got on the sauce and started knocking the ball out of the park.If you think he didnt use anabolics your kidding yourself, I have one of his rookie cards and he was  like 145 lbs as a rookie.When he was a his peak he was 250 lbs from Androstene, ?lol I dont think so.

The bottom line is yes it would be nice if steroids werent invented, but the sad truth is they are here to stay like it or not.

As long as the fans and the promoters keep wanting the athletes or bodybuilders to be bigger stronger and faster, the more steroids they will use.You cant blame the athletes, that is there lively hood, and they are paid to perform, if they dont perform, they lose there job or get repelced.In a perfect world there would be no steroids, but infornatly our world isnt perfect and niether are the athletes.

So before you point  fingers at athletes who use anabolics, you may want to look at the reason why they are using them.Trust me from an athlete who did use anabolics up until a year ago, I wish I didnt have to after being natural for 15 years

Good post, brotha.