Sergio 1976 - 1985

[body88]

Crappy abs? Not crappy, but not the best. Here is a good ab shot pic of sergio.

Debating points with really old pictures is pointless. There are a few pics that make Boyer C look to have decent abs.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Crappy abs? Not crappy, but not the best. Here is a good ab shot pic of sergio.

Now find a pic of Sergio at 240 pounds with those abs !

[Iceman1981]

I personally don't think Arnold was any more marketable than Sergio , you have a Austrian with a heavy German accent or a Cuban with a heavy Spanish one , I don't buy either one being more marketable than a very clean cut college educated Frank Zane with a build that appeared attainable , or the tall blond blue eyed , epitome of muscle beach Dave Draper

Joe Weider did say if he put Arnold on the cover of his magazine he would sell more , but people make the leap that he fixed contests in order to do so which is a stretch , Arnold was on the magazines long before he started winning and if he wanted to fix the contests to promote Arnold , he would have never lost to Frank Zane in 68 or Sergio in 69 , it just defies logic

Lee Haney was Mr Olympia in the 1980s yet he didn't appear on the cover of Flex or Muscle & Fitness as much as Shawn Ray , who was ' marketable '

Joe was a private owner and had to choose who to put on the cover of his magazines during the 60's and 70's. He would put Arnold (white) over Sergio (colored). This happened during a critical time when colored people were not treated well and alot of Racism was around, more than today. If I'm the owner and I have a white guy that can make me millions and I have a colored guy that can only make me half of what the white guy can make me. Let me guess, who should I promote more and make champion?

[pumpster]

Now find a pic of Sergio at 240 pounds with those abs !

More attempts to distort & change the subject; changes nothing.

Neither Schwarzenegger & Oliva had great 6-packs but he only mentions Oliva. Not that important-a small waist was more vital. Oliva's waist was much smaller & V much better.

More distortions.

[Iceman1981]

You're idiot I never once claimed Arnold was for out in front your a LIAR I never once said it was NO contest I actually said the 1972 Mr Olympia that Arnold looks better in some pics and Sergio in others and either way it was a close contest .

I asked Serge Nubret in his opinion, who deserved to win the '72 Olympia. He said Sergio. Serge Nubret took part in that Olympia and came third.

[body88]

Joe was a private owner and had to choose who to put on the cover of his magazines during the 60's and 70's. He would put Arnold (white) over Sergio (colored). This happened during a critical time when colored people were not treated well and alot of Racism was around, more than today. If I'm the owner and I have a white guy that can make me millions and I have a colored guy that can only make me half of what the white guy can make me. Let me guess, who should I promote more and make champion?

Now you are claiming Arnold was only a champion because of Weider Arnold was better then Sergio in contest form and that is why he beat Sergio all those times. If Sergio got ripped, then you would have a point.

Btw, are you black?

[body88]

I asked Serge Nubret in his opinion, who deserved to win the '72 Olympia. He said Sergio. Serge Nubret took part in that Olympia and came third.

Who cares? This point is laughable. Serge could have his own axe to grind. Just like if you asked Zane who should have won and he said Arnold. Does not mean a thing.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Joe was a private owner and had to choose who to put on the cover of his magazines during the 60's and 70's. He would put Arnold (white) over Sergio (colored). This happened during a critical time when colored people were not treated well and alot of Racism was around, more than today. If I'm the owner and I have a white guy that can make me millions and I have a colored guy that can only make me half of what the white guy can make me. Let me guess, who should I promote more and make champion?

Again if this were the case , if Joe Weider did handpick Arnold because he was white , one why ever let Sergio beat Arnold in 1969? why not nip it in the bud and let Arnold win and have a full 365 days to market his white knight , and two WHY on Gods green earth ever let Sergio win in the fucking first place? Why when they had the blond hair blue eyed All-American beach-boy Dave Draper in the mid 1960s? or Chuck Sipes? and you gibe these magazine sales theory way to much credit , bodybuilding was back then was still a very underground sport and no way on earth where they making ' millions '  with the magazines or contests. Weider didn't need Arnold to be Mr Olympia to have him on magazines , he was on the cover of many magazines well before he ever turned Pro , same with Frank Zane , etc

[pumpster]

I asked Serge Nubret in his opinion, who deserved to win the '72 Olympia. He said Sergio. Serge Nubret took part in that Olympia and came third.

What's funny is that i mentioned this to the liar ND, who promptly went on to the Nubret site but could not question it because it's true. hahahahahahhha

Nubret also confirmed the politics that this liar claims don't exist.

[body88]

Who cares what Serge says? The guy is ob angry at Weider. Even if Arnold clearly deserved to win he would not have admitted it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

More backpeddling that doesn't change reality.

Neither Schwarzenegger & Oliva had great 6-packs but he only mentions Oliva. Also leaves out that Oliva's waist was much smaller & V much better.

More distortions.

Its not backpeddling is the truth Sergio lost his conditioning when he got heavy and Arnold might not have had the best abs ever but they were clearly more visable than Sergios

And whats the sense of having a smaller waist is you have no detail to showcase? Sergio did have a better taper and a smaller waist and he still lost.

[Iceman1981]

Fair enough, although I would say that Sergio had the better arms.  They may have lacked peak but they were long and full and looked like two footballs.  The rest I can agree that Arnold had over Sergio.

Arnold definitely had the better bicep, but Sergio had the better arms. Sergio had better forearms no contest. Sergio had the better triceps no contest. Sergio had better delts. The way all of those muscles connected to his delts were simply amazing. Even "Iron Age" rated Sergio to have better "arms" than Arnold.

[pumpster]

Now you are claiming Arnold was only a champion because of Weider Arnold was better then Sergio in contest form and that is why he beat Sergio all those times. If Sergio got ripped, then you would have a point.

Btw, are you black?

No offense but that's a ludicrous jump in logic into a black & white scenario of one or the other. Schwarzenegger was great AND got plenty of benefits along the way.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I asked Serge Nubret in his opinion, who deserved to win the '72 Olympia. He said Sergio. Serge Nubret took part in that Olympia and came third.

I'm NOT saying Arnold should have won or lost but what I do know it was close , perhaps Sergio should have won but for those who say Arnold wasn't even close is delusional .

[NarcissisticDeity]

What's funny is that i mentioned this to the liar ND, who promptly went on to the Nubret site but could not question it because it's true. hahahahahahhha

Nubret also confirmed the politics that this liar claims don't exist.

What the hell are you talking about? I've never been on Nubret's site and he has an opinion and maybe he's right , maybe he's wrong.

[pumpster]

I'm NOT saying Arnold should have won or lost but what I do know it was close , perhaps Sergio should have won but for those who say Arnold wasn't even close is delusional .

1/ This liar has been claiming that at their best it's no contest. Farcical.

2/ He went on to the Nubret thread after i brought up Nubret's comments on both guys and on contest politics, but was unable to find anything to use to refute my accuracy. 

[body88]

No offense but that's a ludicrous jump in logic into a black & white scenario of one or the other. Schwarzenegger was great AND got plenty of benefits along the way.

None taken. But, the post claimed Weider made Arnold a champion. I think Arnolds genetics and work ethic made him the champion. I know if Sergio was as ripped as Arnie he would have won any contest he entered.

I know Arnie got some breaks because of the time period. But, I think he also backed up beating Sergio with a slightly better package.

[Iceman1981]

And Bertil Fox and Ronnie.

And that pretty well completes the list of black men with big calves in the history of pro bodybuilding.

Ronnie? which Ronnie? Not Ronnie Coleman. He has good calves but not "huge" calves like Sergio.

[pumpster]

None taken. But, the post claimed weider made Arnold a champion. I think Arnolds genetics and work ethic made him the champion. I know if Sergio was as ripped as Arnie he would win any contest he entered. But, he never was.

Sergio if in condition didn't have to be quite as ripped to win against him, because each guy had advantages the other didn't. That's why it's just personal preference.

[NarcissisticDeity]

1/ This liar has been claiming that at their best it's no contest. Farcical.

2/ He went on to the Nubret thread after i brought up Nubret's comments on both guys and on contest politics, but was unable to find anything to use to refute it. 

I dare you to find me one quote where I said it wasn't close , in terms of conditioning it wasn't close

And again moron I've never been on Nubret's site you're full of shit and I don't need to refut anything Sergio lost 

[pumpster]

I dare you to find me one quote where I said it wasn't close , in terms of conditioning it wasn't close

And again moron I've never been on Nubret's site you're full of shit and I don't need to refut anything Sergio lost 

See his whole MO is to try to deflect to something else, instead of dealing with the issue he's losing. Like a broken record. Notice he never tries to prove anyone else's points while insisting they should prove his.

Verdict:

BORING

[NarcissisticDeity]

Sergio if in condition didn't have to be quite as ripped to win against him, because each guy had advantages the other didn't. That's why it's just personal preference.

Obviously he did need to be ripped and thats the main reason he lost , if he was ripped like Arnold , Sergio's package is better and he would have beaten Arnold , Sergio is like Flex Wheeler he relied to much on his genetics to carry him along and thats all good and well when facing guys like Chuck Sipes and Harold Poole but NOT Arnold.

[Iceman1981]

I would say Sergio and his latspread was more impressive .

I agree.

[NarcissisticDeity]

See his whole MO is to try to deflect to something else, instead of dealing with the issue he's losing. Like a broken record. Notice he never tries to prove anyone else's points while insisting they should prove his.

Verdict:

BORING

You're the one claiming the contrary I never once said Arnold was so far ahead of Sergio it wasn't close , you made the claim and I laughed it off , this is your perfect opportunity to prove me wrong and avenge all the times I've owned you , but you know better  just like when you claimed I used ' morphed ' pictures and I posted the whole pic directly from the magazine after that you got quite as usual , I know when I've proven you dead wrong because you run from the thread .

[pumpster]

Over & over again ND has said that '72 was close, but all-time it wasn't because Oliva wasn't in shape, to which i call BS.