ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!

[alexxx]

Who do you think was able to generate the greatest intensity and why? Any witnesses?

Personally I don't think Mentzer is anywhere close to Arnold training wise.

[bmacsys]

Who do you think was able to generate the greatest intensity and why? Any witnesses?

Personally I don't think Mentzer is anywhere close to Arnold training wise.

Alex, Arnold tried to train heavy duty style in Deland, Florida with Arthur Jones. He couldn't hack it. Franco was said to have thrived under it.

[alexxx]

Alex, Arnold tried to train heavy duty style in Deland, Florida with Arthur Jones. He couldn't hack it. Franco was said to have thrived under it.

Maybe that is why Franco was so small compared to Arnold?

Besides I really doubt Arnold couldn't keep up...

[figgs]

Alex, Arnold tried to train heavy duty style in Deland, Florida with Arthur Jones. He couldn't hack it. Franco was said to have thrived under it.

hahahahaha what a puss.

[alexxx]

Alexxx's development is directly attributable to the Schwarzenegger 8-hour plan..

I trained for 2 hours a day every body part three times a week for this past month..

[figgs]

Here's some sample HIT videos. Although Mike is old and sick in these videos (being filmed soon before his death), this is the style in which he trained.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=109977.375

I would LOVE to see Arnold do 10 sets of leg presses with THAT INTENSITY!!!!

[figgs]

And here Arnold is seen doing concentration curls, abandoning the set 10 reps shy of failure. 

[alexxx]

And here Arnold is seen doing concentration curls, abandoning the set 10 reps shy of failure. 

Please! You think intensity is only defined by the amout of second you hold the weight?

[pumpster]

And here Arnold is seen doing concentration curls, abandoning the set 10 reps shy of failure. 

Maybe he didn't realize that he was supposed to keep going?

[Bluto]

intensity is not important

[figgs]

Please! You think intensity is only defined by the amout of second you hold the weight?

Yes, since slowing the speed of your reps is only one way to increase the intensity of your training.

While on HIT, I use the following intensity techniques: slow reps, forced reps, positive failure, static failure, negative failure, pre-exhaust, ZERO rest inbetween sets.

You have no idea what level of difficulty this type of training is on. I really don't think 99% of people could do it, including you.

The only challenge with volume training is clearing your schedule for a 2 hour workout. It's not only easy but it's quite honestly a waste of time.

As Mentzer said, you can either train hard or long, but you can't do both. And it just so happens that it takes hard work to build muscle. If Arnold trained with HIT he would be doing 10 minute workouts like I do.

[pumpster]

intensity is not important

This guy positively reeks of wisdom.


Those Mentzer clips are misleading; there's no use of post-failure techniques there.

[Bluto]

This guy positively reeks of wisdom.

why would it be important? btw, saw that you now are a mod on the training board, i guess they prefer quantity posts over quality posts.

[pumpster]

why would it be important? btw, saw that you now are a mod on the training board, i guess they prefer quantity posts over quality posts.

If you're seriously asking that you should not be on a BB board.

[Bluto]

If you're seriously asking that you should not be on a BB board.

i take it you agree that it doesnt matter then. eod.

[figgs]

Maybe he didn't realize that he was supposed to keep going?

Even those Mentzer videos are misleading, because there are no post-failure reps involved there.

I really can't imagine what motivated him to drop the weight. Me and my training partner carry a set until not we, but our bodies decide when to stop. I can't just end a set on my first grunt or burning sensation. I have to go and go until I've reached absolute failure!!

Whenever I finish a set I relfect on it and rate my effort and intensity. If I believe I could have done one more seemingly impossible rep I will feel dissappointed.

[alexxx]

Yes, since slowing the speed of your reps is only one way to increase the intensity of your training.

While on HIT, I use the following intensity techniques: slow reps, forced reps, positive failure, static failure, negative failure, pre-exhaust, ZERO rest inbetween sets.

You have no idea what level of difficulty this type of training is on. I really don't think 99% of people could do it, including you.

The only challenge with volume training is clearing your schedule for a 2 hour workout. It's not only easy but it's quite honestly a waste of time.

As Mentzer said, you can either train hard or long, but you can't do both. And it just so happens that it takes hard work to build muscle. If Arnold trained with HIT he would be doing 10 minute workouts like I do.

Ok then what do you call these?

-forced reps
-isolation training
-negative repetitions
-forced negatives
-priority principle
-supersets
-staggered sets
-shocking principle
-stripping method
-isotension principle
-instinctive principle
-pre-exaust training
-running the rack
-I go/ you go
-flushing method
-partial reps
-multi-exercise sets
-one and a half method
-platoon system
-1-10system
-progressive workload
-coumpounding exercises

All of these are from Arnold's encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding so I think it is safe to say he used at least one of those methods during his lifetime.

[figgs]

why would it be important? btw, saw that you now are a mod on the training board, i guess they prefer quantity posts over quality posts.

Pumpster is one of the most knowledgable posters here. He's a true bodybuilder and doesn't just come here to just fuck around like most of the guys here on G&O.

[pumpster]

Ok then what do you call these?

-forced reps
-isolation training
-negative repetitions
-forced negatives
-priority principle
-supersets
-staggered sets
-shocking principle
-stripping method
-isotension principle
-instinctive principle
-pre-exaust training
-running the rack
-I go/ you go
-flushing method
-partial reps
-multi-exercise sets
-one and a half method
-platoon system
-1-10system
-progressive workload
-coumpounding exercises

All of these are from Arnold's encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding so I think it is safe to say he used at least one of those methods during his lifetime.

He's serious then, doesn't know the difference.

[Bluto]

Pumpster is one of the most knowledgable posters here. He's a true bodybuilder and doesn't just come here to just f**k around like most of the guys here on G&O.

if he's a true bodybuilder where's his picture?

[alexxx]

True failure is impossible. Where your muscles cannot do another set. As long as you can contract it you can keep going. So it wouldn't be wise calling hit failure because after you fail with those weights and wait say 5 seconds you can do another rep.

[figgs]

Ok then what do you call these?

-forced reps
-isolation training
-negative repetitions
-forced negatives
-priority principle
-supersets
-staggered sets
-shocking principle
-stripping method
-isotension principle
-instinctive principle
-pre-exaust training
-running the rack
-I go/ you go
-flushing method
-partial reps
-multi-exercise sets
-one and a half method
-platoon system
-1-10system
-progressive workload
-coumpounding exercises

All of these are from Arnold's encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding so I think it is safe to say he used at least one of those methods during his lifetime.

I'm sure Arnold had his intense workouts, but his training is still absolutely nothing compared to HIT.

HIT is something you wouldn't be able to understand until you try, I suppose.

And those intensity techniques I posted I employ during each and every set and workout I do. Except for exercises like squats and DL, of course.

[Bluto]

intensity techniques and going to failure is probably the worst things you can do in bodybuilding and should be avoided like the plague.

[figgs]

True failure is impossible. Where your muscles cannot do another set. As long as you can contract it you can keep going. So it wouldn't be wise calling hit failure because after you fail with those weights and wait say 5 seconds you can do another rep.

We're talking about absolute momentary failure. Absolute failure is failure on the positive (contraction), static (holding in peak contraction position), and negative (lowering). Once a set is carried to the point where all the functions of the skeletal muscle are impossible FOR THAT MOMENT, you have reached absolute momentary failure.

Most people don't even train to positive failure (which is the weakest functional lift of a muscle, and therefore don't even reach 1/3 of absolute failure.

[figgs]

if he's a true bodybuilder where's his picture?

Where's yours?