Mike Mentzer's video

[SteelePegasus]

I downloaded the Mike Mentzer's video and watched it for the first time, I have so many questions

1. Is marcus naturally? that is the guy that he used in the video to perform the exercises

2. He advocated training a body part every 6 days, and even said taking 8 days off was better. With that said. you would train a body part like 12-15 times per year.  Did miss something or is this correct?

3. He also advocated zero cardio, which is fine but if you are in the gym once every 6 days how do you stay cut?

4. Never use the ez curl bar as it doesn't work the bicep

5. Remove all momentum

6. The last rep is the most important rep as it is the "growth rep"

how many people here train like this?

[The Squadfather]

yeah, the bicep muscle doesn't contract at all with the EZ bar but it contracts completely with the straight bar.

[SteelePegasus]

yeah, the bicep muscle doesn't contract at all with the EZ bar but it contracts completely with the straight bar.

lol, he was pretty adamant about it

he did have Marcus crying from pain

[figgs]

I downloaded the Mike Mentzer's video and watched it for the first time, I have so many questions

1. Is marcus naturally? that is the guy that he used in the video to perform the exercises

2. He advocated training a body part every 6 days, and even said taking 8 days off was better. With that said. you would train a body part like 12-15 times per year.  Did miss something or is this correct?

3. He also advocated zero cardio, which is fine but if you are in the gym once every 6 days how do you stay cut?

4. Never use the ez curl bar as it doesn't work the bicep

5. Remove all momentum

6. The last rep is the most important rep as it is the "growth rep"

how many people here train like this?

I train HIT.

Hmm well first of all I do a lot of cardio since I have a lot of off days. I hardly burn any calories from my 10 minute workouts plus I have a slow metabolism. Not only that but I actually enjoy cardio and have done it regularly for a very long time.

I don't know if Markus is natural or not.

I train each muscle every 7-8 days. Works fine for me!

No momentum is very intense!

The last rep is indeed the most important. I can't have a gap between the end of my set and absolute failure.

I'll use the EZ bar if I have to but I never really liked it anyway.

I have an HIT log in the training boards check it out. It's going to be updated tonight.

Also, where did you download the video? I'd love to watch it!

[Bluto]

2. He advocated training a body part every 6 days, and even said taking 8 days off was better. With that said. you would train a body part like 12-15 times per year.  Did miss something or is this correct?

the reason he does this is because the intensity fucks up the central nervous system that takes a shitload of time to heal.
IF this is the "only" way to grow, or the best way - then it would make sense. however, most people on all levels gained their results without training anywhere near what metzer does or the guy in this video.
because of this you cannot train very often and so you will grow slower than if you would train more often.

4. Never use the ez curl bar as it doesn't work the bicep

it works the biceps but not as good as a straight bar, but it's easier on the joints.

6. The last rep is the most important rep as it is the "growth rep"

or maybe all reps counts. and all sets. maybe it's even essentials you get a good number of sets in in order to make all muscle fibrers come into play and you're selling yourself short with his theory...

[figgs]

the reason he does this is because the intensity fucks up the central nervous system that takes a shitload of time to heal.
IF this is the "only" way to grow, or the best way - then it would make sense. however, most people on all levels gained their results without training anywhere near what metzer does or the guy in this video.
because of this you cannot train very often and so you will grow slower than if you would train more often.

it works the biceps but not as good as a straight bar, but it's easier on the joints.

or maybe all reps counts. and all sets. maybe it's even essentials you get a good number of sets in in order to make all muscle fibrers come into play and you're selling yourself short with his theory...

Everything is well put but your take on muscle fiber recruitment.

It's not the amount of sets that determine how many muscle fibers are fatigued, but how close to absolute failure you reach. It's pretty clear, I mean, if you can't raise, hold AND lower the weight, obviously all possible available muscle fibers are fucked.

[SteelePegasus]

Figgs, here you go

http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=bodybuilding

everything you can want is there

I then covert them the .mpg, I refuse to install real player

[Bluto]

well that's where we disagree. i believe it's the number of sets, not failure.

[figgs]

well that's where we disagree. i believe it's the number of sets, not failure.

Belief<science

[figgs]

Figgs, here you go

http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=bodybuilding

everything you can want is there

I then covert them the .mpg, I refuse to install real player

Thanks bud!

[Bluto]

Belief<science

yeah we all know mentzer claimed science backed him up, i dont think it did.

[figgs]

yeah we all know mentzer claimed science backed him up, i dont think it did.

Mentzer was a genius. To think he would have dedicated his life to bodybuilding and create a set of false principles, spoiling the legacy he made such a great effort to achieve is just ridiculous to me.

[Bluto]

i dont think he was a genious. and there's a lot of claims that proved to be wrong in general in bodybuilding, in nutrition etc just in recent years.
how many train according to his principles? i cant hardly think of one single pro.

[Bluto]

let says his theories isnt right. let's say 99,9 percent of all bodybuilders got their muscle mass from NOT training like mentzer.
then what? what makes him a genious then?

[SteelePegasus]

hey Figgs, post a link to your training journal, I would like to check it out

[Bluto]

how do you define training hard? i'd like to see any bodybuilder train the way a marathon runner does, or a greco roman wrestler.

[figgs]

let says his theories isnt right. let's say 99,9 percent of all bodybuilders got their muscle mass from NOT training like mentzer.
then what? what makes him a genious then?

True, but HIT is for maximum results (which I'm experiencing right now!).

[alexxx]

Figgs, here you go

http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=bodybuilding

everything you can want is there

I then covert them the .mpg, I refuse to install real player

Can someone explain to me how to use torrent? I have mac os X!

[figgs]

hey Figgs, post a link to your training journal, I would like to check it out

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=105394.0

 

[Bluto]

True, but HIT is for maximum results (which I'm experiencing right now!).

you can get results from a number of different ways. let's say one of them enabled you to work more frequently, maybe 2-3 times HIT in a year, then HIT must be at least 2-3 times as good, otherwise your gains would be slower compared to the other method.

[SteelePegasus]

Can someone explain to me how to use torrent? I have mac os X!

Sure Alexxx, you will need a bit torrent client to download a torrent file

I personally prefer

http://azureus.sourceforge.net/download.php

but there are tons out there. 

if you want to learn more here you go

http://dessent.net/btfaq/

[SteelePegasus]

Alexx is is actually pretty simple once you have a client installed

you go to torrent site like

www.mininova.org

and do a search...I download a ton of computer programming ebooks from there also movies and music...

[the shadow]

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=105394.0

 

dude how can you build muscle with one working set..high volume is the best thing out there..just my opinion though

[the shadow]

earlier it took me an hour and 15 minutes to finish my workouts..nowdays i finish my workouts in 40-45 minutes with 5 exercises with 4 sets each with minimum rest possible..only for 1 exercise i do 3 sets..i also kinda squeeze in a 1 or 2 sets in each exercise..this is my way of high volume training

[Delusional Liberal]

4. Never use the ez curl bar as it doesn't work the bicep

ronnie, who has arguably the best bis of all time, the ez curl bar is his favorite.