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Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« on: December 10, 2006, 09:15:31 PM »
TAX THE CHURCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No need to explain.

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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2006, 09:25:22 PM »
 ???  If you mean remove the 501C-3 exemption for charitable entities, I doubt that would fund the entire U.S. government. 

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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2006, 09:31:45 PM »
I would think taxing BILLIONS of dollars of church income would ease the burden quite a bit Beach Bum.

Taxing church, legalizing and taxing prostitution and marijuana would pretty much fund our country, yes.

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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2006, 10:22:50 PM »
I agree with taht 100% I think that it might not fund completly but it would help alot

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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2006, 12:46:40 AM »
I would think taxing BILLIONS of dollars of church income would ease the burden quite a bit Beach Bum.

Taxing church, legalizing and taxing prostitution and marijuana would pretty much fund our country, yes.


I agree with this first bit.

Why stop there though? Why not just legalise all hard drugs and tax them too?

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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2006, 08:02:22 AM »
I would think taxing BILLIONS of dollars of church income would ease the burden quite a bit Beach Bum.

Taxing church, legalizing and taxing prostitution and marijuana would pretty much fund our country, yes.

I haven't seen numbers or projections, but I doubt taxing churches would put more money in my pocket and/or fund the government.  And I HATE paying taxes. 

Prostitution and marijuana are different issues, but I doubt taxing those activities/products would fund the country.  Once you legalize marijuana the price would drop significantly. 

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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2006, 04:03:12 PM »
Why don't the church pay tax?

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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2006, 04:34:24 PM »
Why don't the church pay tax?

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Not sure exactly, but our government made a policy decision many years ago that all nonprofit, charitable entities will be exempt from paying federal income taxes. 

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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2006, 05:28:23 PM »

Why stop there though? Why not just legalise all hard drugs and tax them too?

Well, there's not many that I wouldn't, making them illegal costs us billions.

I'm trying to be somewhat realistic that someday the moral majority lawmakers (who are all dirtier and corrupt than the worst criminals) will see the light on some things.

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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2006, 05:29:22 PM »
Why don't the church pay tax?

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In case you missed it, the moral majority runs the US (ya, it's the same people you see on the news cheating the government, screwing prostitutes and taking drugs).

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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2006, 05:32:35 PM »
I haven't seen numbers or projections, but I doubt taxing churches would put more money in my pocket and/or fund the government.  And I HATE paying taxes. 

Prostitution and marijuana are different issues, but I doubt taxing those activities/products would fund the country.  Once you legalize marijuana the price would drop significantly. 

Well, I'm not a government economist. But each of those are billion dollar industries in their own right. So that is quite a bit of income for any government, even ours.

Any price decrease in pot would be made up by the amount used.

Take some of these victimless crimes off the books. I'm sick of seeing escorts drive around in Lexus' and live in 400k condos, because all of their money is tax free.

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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2006, 05:56:03 PM »
Well, I'm not a government economist. But each of those are billion dollar industries in their own right. So that is quite a bit of income for any government, even ours.

Any price decrease in pot would be made up by the amount used.

Take some of these victimless crimes off the books. I'm sick of seeing escorts drive around in Lexus' and live in 400k condos, because all of their money is tax free.

A $400k condo?  Where do I sign up?   :)  Cannot find a decent one around here for that price. 

I think our debt is so large, our government is so huge, and our politicians are so intent on spending my money, that any increased tax revenue from charitable organizations would quickly be swallowed up.  Black hole. 

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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2006, 04:00:33 PM »
TAX THE CHURCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No need to explain.
your going to hell loser
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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2006, 01:07:35 AM »
your going to hell loser

hahaha, ok self proclaimed "panty dropper"    ::)

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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2006, 04:57:08 AM »
Why don't the church pay tax?

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Hedge, here are some answers to why churches are not taxed in the US:

"Read those tax laws carefully. Churches exist not only as places of worship, but to allocate resources collected to feed the poor, house the homeless, clothe children, and spread the Gospel. It does none of these things to earn a profit. Similarly to churches you will also find that charitable organizations such as Salvation Army, Red Cross, Goodwills and Thrift Stores are also not taxed like other businesses. Section 503(c) corporations that specialize in providing health services to the indigent are also not taxed like other businesses. The biggest thing being that such organizations (churches, hospitals, thrifts, etc.) use their resources to give a benefit to humanity and they provide services free of charge."

"Churches are under the classification of charitable organizations. At one time, churches were the major force in caring for the poor and sick. It was believed that they provided so many services to the community that by not taxing them they would have greater resources to offer these services."

"The church is not a business, it's an organization and just like other non-profit organizations that actually help people, it is supported by the tithe and offerings the MEMBERS, not you, give. So sorry to burst your bubble, but you can't get any credit for that."

"Because of the so called separation of church and state. The church is not allowed "representation" and as we know "no taxation without representation."

"All who attend church are citizens as well and pay taxes so they already pay for police, fire etc. and churches do have to pay for their own expenses, utilities. insurance etc."


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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2006, 05:22:30 AM »
TAX THE CHURCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No need to explain.

Then the church would have control of the state.  I thought you didn't want that.   ;D

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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2006, 07:46:17 PM »
maybe i can set up my own online church or somthing

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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2006, 08:24:09 PM »
maybe i can set up my own online church or somthing

My brother did this. His complete knowledge of religion is watching Billy Graham crusades.

He had over 30 members within a couple months before he shut it down. It's amazing how
desperate the average person is to cling to something.

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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2006, 08:29:11 PM »
why did he shut it down?  did he make any money at least?

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Re: Want to lower your taxes to next to nothing ?
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2006, 08:35:15 PM »
why did he shut it down?  did he make any money at least?

As far as I know disinterest in investing more time to it than just a lark. Once it become something that obviously he would have to commit to and further, he had enough.

He's not religious in the christian sense and doesn't have a broad knowledge of any type of religion.

It was his own type of "cult" if you will, but I'm not sure what the basis of it was. We never discussed it in great detail and I never even asked him for the url. I just listened to him ramble a bit. I guess it was easy for me, since I actually know him and knew he was full of it.