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TEHRAN, Iran -- Iran on Monday opened a Holocaust conference that it said would examine whether the genocide took place, claiming the meeting was an opportunity for discussion in an atmosphere free of Western taboos.

The conference, "Review of the Holocaust: Global Vision," was initiated by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has described the Holocaust as a "myth" and called for Israel to be wiped off the map. Even before it opened, the gathering was condemned by Germany, the United States and Israel.

Rabbi Moishe Ayre Friedman, left, from Austria, give his business card to a Muslim clergyman, as Rabbi Ahron Cohen from England, looks on, at a conference on the Holocaust, in Tehran, Iran, Monday, Dec. 11, 2006. Iran on Monday opened a conference that it said would examine whether the Holocaust took place, claiming the meeting was an opportunity to discuss the World War II genocide in an atmosphere free of what it termed Western taboos. Even before it opened, the gathering was condemned by Germany, the United States and Israel.
 
The organizers, the Foreign Ministry's Institute for Political and International Studies, say the two-day conference has drawn 67 foreign researchers from 30 countries.

In his opening speech, the institute's chief, Rasoul Mousavi, said the conference provided an opportunity to discuss "questions" about the Holocaust away from Western taboos and the restrictions imposed on scholars in Europe.

In Germany, Austria and France, it is illegal to deny the Holocaust.

"This conference seeks neither to deny nor prove the Holocaust," Mousavi said. "It is just to provide an appropriate scientific atmosphere for scholars to offer their opinions in freedom about a historical issue."

Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki dismissed the foreign criticism as "predictable," telling conference delegates in a speech that there was "no logical reason for opposing this conference."

"The objective for organizing this conference is to create an atmosphere to raise various opinions about a historical issue. We are not seeking to deny or prove the Holocaust," Mottaki said.

"If the official version of the Holocaust is thrown into doubt, then the identity and nature of Israel will be thrown into doubt. And if, during this review, it is proved that the Holocaust was a historical reality, then what is the reason for the Muslim people of the region and the Palestinians having to pay the cost of the Nazis' crimes?" Mottaki said.

In Israel, the official Holocaust memorial, Yad Vashem, issued a statement condemning the Tehran conference as an attempt to "paint (an) extremist agenda with a scholarly brush ... an effort to mainstream Holocaust denial."

The conference was expected to receive a message from Ahmadinejad, who has said that the killing of six million Jews by the Nazi German regime during World War II was a "myth" and "exaggerated."

The president has repeatedly questioned why the Holocaust has been used to justify the creation of Israel at the expense of the Palestinians _ a view popular among Iranian hard-liners.

Iran has spent months preparing for the conference, even publicizing it during the September visit to Tehran of U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who contradicted his hosts by saying the Holocaust was a historical fact and that an exhibition of anti-Holocaust cartoons, then on display in the city, promoted hatred.


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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2006, 07:25:05 AM »
they had motive to exaggerate it for the eyes of the world, there is no denying that.

not saying they did, i haven't looked at it much.  but shit, would they have gotten the land in isreal with 100,000 killed?  no.  But six million, and those horrible films, hell, mighta been propaganda.

who cares.  man up and live with it.  Isreal powers the US and we are the only superpower.  Deal with it or take a red, white and blue facial, bitches.
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2006, 12:01:10 PM »
lol  ;D

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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2006, 02:50:09 PM »
The satanic ideology of islam strikes again.

Imagine if Mr Blair, Bush, Putin, etc etc got together for a public meeting discussing the FACT that muhammad molested a child, was a murderer, polygamist and militant etc.

There would be uproar beyond comprehension from the muzzies.

Double standards.

We need an holocaust to occur in Iran.
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2006, 03:12:48 PM »
Wow, that's interesting. Tell us more!

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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2006, 03:18:15 PM »
the holocaust was a fact. anyone who doesnt think millions of people, about half of them jews, were murdered in death camps either has doen no research or refuses to believe it.  Some people do have a motive for denying its existence, which is why most Arab countries put in their history books for their children that it was a myth made up by jews to get land from palestine.  This is what the Iranian president says when he speaks to his own people, but no in front of a world audience he is trying to charm
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2006, 03:19:47 PM »
The satanic ideology of islam strikes again.

Imagine if Mr Blair, Bush, Putin, etc etc got together for a public meeting discussing the FACT that muhammad molested a child, was a murderer, polygamist and militant etc.

There would be uproar beyond comprehension from the muzzies.

Double standards.

We need an holocaust to occur in Iran.

That's a terrible thing to say.

What we need in Iran, is an intellectual awakening.

And democracy, real democracy.

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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2006, 03:26:22 PM »
That's a terrible thing to say.

What we need in Iran, is an intellectual awakening.

And democracy, real democracy.

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Their satanic ideology calls for the suppression of non-believers of their cult.

They have holocaust drawing competitions for children. They are all guilty.

My reference to a holocaust happening in Iran is basically the only way Iran will accept it happened.

Who should pay for the awakening and democracy? Should the west pay? Should the west pay via the severe disrespect Iran has for us and Jews? ::)

Give me a break "don't punish murderers put them back as a working unit into society" Zacharias!
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2006, 03:48:48 PM »
is the number exactly 6 million?  No, but is in the ballpark.  No, 240, i did not read in a government sponsored textbook that it was 6 million and believe it as fact.  In fact, before WW II history became a passion of mine I had trouble believing that millions of people could be systematically murdered in a supposedly enlightened country with a cultural history like germany's.   But the more you study world war ii you realize it was far worse than is possible to imagine, even on a casual level.  The amount of death and suffering in china and eastern europe in particular is, quite frankly, fantastic in its enormity.  I mean fantastic as in borderline unbelievable, not great. 

Every historian from various coutnries who have studied that were not paid by the US or Israeli government.  SS/Nazi/other german documents (kept with typical german efficiency) keeping track of those admitted to camps/exterminated/died of "natural causes", records/testimonies of soviet spies embedded in the beauracracy of nazi germany, testimony of death camp commandants (like Eichmann), testimony of thsoe who served on death sqauds in occupied territories, census figures, and any other sourcues were used to come up with the figures.   They were not picked out of thin air by a government agency who wanted to create Israel. 

THe Iron Gaurd regime in Romania, as well as the Ustazi in Croatia also killed many jews, but in more of a pogrom style than in an organized genocide.

Could these figures be exaggerated? somewhat, sure.  But I doubt the vast majority of historians and those who study the topic would all fall in with the official line just to justify israel.

Just because I think most of your 911  beliefs are bullshit does not mean I just accept everything that is taken as fact as the cold and hard truth.

I will be the first to admit i am not very fond of jews, but the truth is the truth.
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2006, 04:03:02 PM »
the holocaust was a fact. anyone who doesnt think millions of people, about half of them jews, were murdered in death camps either has doen no research or refuses to believe it.  Some people do have a motive for denying its existence, which is why most Arab countries put in their history books for their children that it was a myth made up by jews to get land from palestine.  This is what the Iranian president says when he speaks to his own people, but no in front of a world audience he is trying to charm
I believe the holocaust happened...  But there are a few important facts missing from your history books...
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2006, 03:00:57 PM »
I agree. They had no right to the land.  At the same time, does any country really have the right to take anyone elses land, which has happened in all of recorded history  more than it is possible to keep track of?  No. This situation is unique in that they did not conquer the land, as their influence got them it for free.



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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2006, 03:27:43 PM »
Look who showed up at the conference:  David Duke. 

"This conference has an incredible impact on Holocaust studies all over the world," said American David Duke, a former Ku Klux Klan leader and former state representative in Louisiana.

"The Holocaust is the device used as the pillar of Zionist imperialism, Zionist aggression, Zionist terror and Zionist murder," Duke told The Associated Press.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/12/12/151034.shtml?s=lh

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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2006, 03:29:59 PM »
haha right on nordic






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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2006, 03:41:11 PM »
I firmly believe that the best way to deal with a conference like this would be to give extensive media coverage, send lots of journalists to ask the investigative questions, to get experts there to represent what really happened.

Dealings with right-wing extremists in Germany and the rest of Europe, that share similar agendas with the Iran regime, has shown that these groups do not enjoy media exposure, even if the questions are fair.

My opinion is clear: Put the spotlight on this event, do it fairly. The truth will prevail. Ask the honest questions, and guys like Duke will either refuse to answer or show his true colors. Regardless: they will be exposed for the bullshit artists they really are.

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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2006, 03:42:29 PM »
Why'd they allow david duke over there? Are they stupid?
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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2006, 03:50:26 PM »
Why'd they allow david duke over there? Are they stupid?

Because "David Duke" is a cool sounding name? :-\

(It actually is, I have to admit)

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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2006, 04:02:47 PM »
Why is it illegal in Europe to question the Holocaust? What a bunch of garbrage. And they're crying over Iran's plea for attention when they can't respect free speech.

Zach, explain on behalf of the EU why questioning the holocaust is illegal..

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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2006, 04:11:02 PM »
I firmly believe that the best way to deal with a conference like this would be to give extensive media coverage, send lots of journalists to ask the investigative questions, to get experts there to represent what really happened.

Dealings with right-wing extremists in Germany and the rest of Europe, that share similar agendas with the Iran regime, has shown that these groups do not enjoy media exposure, even if the questions are fair.

My opinion is clear: Put the spotlight on this event, do it fairly. The truth will prevail. Ask the honest questions, and guys like Duke will either refuse to answer or show his true colors. Regardless: they will be exposed for the bullshit artists they really are.

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thats admirable but naive, the truth would never prevail

you all should check out a book called masters of death, one of the most stone cold fucking reads you could imagine...doesn't detail the death camp experience, it talks about the build up to it ... from the top of my head:

the holocaust started out as laws depriving jews of rights, citizenship businesses, herding them into ghettos, making them wear yellow stars, forbidding intermarriage etc etc ...  there was a night when many were openly murdered in the street(night of broken glass), i think it actually numbered in the thousands but you never know  

and then they began shipping them out of germany to concentration camps (in poland mostly), and killing them in hospitals at a rate greater than that which they were doing to political dissidents, mental defects, old people, catholics, homosexuals, masons etc etc ... they had very specific quotas outline for this, and i dont think any of us can appreciate the logistical nightmare involved with shipping that many people, luckily IBM was able to produce special cards for processing prisoner numbers ;)

meanwhile outside germany, the death squads in charge of jew management were not regular soldiers, they were special "ss"(?) squads which came in after the major battling to garrison if you will ..  there goal to make countries juden frei(sp?), and every country the germans invaded was happy as pigs in shit to hand them over or outright kill them(in fact i think it was latvia or lithuania who achieved the goal of killing every one in the country)... thats something you dont hear in the jew run media, the jews werent winning any popularity contests than and they sure as f**k arent now. anywho these soldiers either bribed locals or carried out the initial stages of the holocaust on their own, which was murdering people in the street. sometimes it was being gunned down outside of town, being drowned in 10,000's and sometimes it was being beaten with a giant club in the middle of a cheering town square

when one of the nazi brass witnessed this close up he said it wasnt good for soldiers mentality to be exposed to it day in and day out, ergo the rise of the conversion from concentration camps where they sent jews, gypsies, catholics etc etc into death camps focused more narrowly on jews with more remote methods of killing

if you want my best guess, several hundred thousand to several million jews were killed, it probably wasnt as many as 6 though. the jews milk to for everything it is worth and then some, and it was not just the germans.

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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2006, 05:59:02 PM »
Why is it illegal in Europe to question the Holocaust? What a bunch of garbrage. And they're crying over Iran's plea for attention when they can't respect free speech.

Zach, explain on behalf of the EU why questioning the holocaust is illegal..

It's actually illegal only in Germany and perhaps Austria too?

I know it is in Germany, definitely. Rest of the EU, no.

The reason is quite obvious IMO, in Germany you still have the proof of it, and it is also a testimony to true evil.

In Germany, all the concentration and death camps are still kept, and they serve as a reminder of what happened.

It's a big trauma for the Germans, and as a Swede I feel bad for how Sweden sold out during WWII, I could only imagine how it must feel for a German. :-\

I definitely understand why they make it illegal to question the Holocaust. They've barely made peace with themselves regarding it, and don't need some fcuktard retarded neonazis questioning if it all happened, and glorifying Hitler and his Posse.

Whenever I see people praise the Nazi ideals, it makes me lose it.

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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2006, 06:17:31 PM »
It's actually illegal only in Germany and perhaps Austria too?

I know it is in Germany, definitely. Rest of the EU, no.

The reason is quite obvious IMO, in Germany you still have the proof of it, and it is also a testimony to true evil.

In Germany, all the concentration and death camps are still kept, and they serve as a reminder of what happened.

It's a big trauma for the Germans, and as a Swede I feel bad for how Sweden sold out during WWII, I could only imagine how it must feel for a German. :-\

I definitely understand why they make it illegal to question the Holocaust. They've barely made peace with themselves regarding it, and don't need some fcuktard retarded neonazis questioning if it all happened, and glorifying Hitler and his Posse.

Whenever I see people praise the Nazi ideals, it makes me lose it.

Sorry for the rant.

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good man, hedge. I don't know the scene in Europe, so I'm ignortant. Thanks for clearinging that up.

But even sandy(who supposed to be half jew) has pointed out that it might not be 6 million. What's wrong with question that figure? It doesn't automatically make you a Nazi.

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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2006, 06:45:36 PM »
good man, hedge. I don't know the scene in Europe, so I'm ignortant. Thanks for clearinging that up.

But even sandy(who supposed to be half jew) has pointed out that it might not be 6 million. What's wrong with question that figure? It doesn't automatically make you a Nazi.

What many people tend to forget, is how many Jews died in Poland.

The main flaw with the questioning of the numbers, are when the effectiveness of the extermination camps are being used for measure.

Even sometimes, concentration camps, and their masons, are used for measurements. The claims are that these are not sufficient to burn all these people.

Extermination camps were a whole different ballgame. They were built, not to house Jews, Gipsies and retards. But to exterminate them. Treblinka, Belsen and Chelmo... :'(

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Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#Claims_of_the_Holocaust_deniers



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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2006, 07:08:09 PM »
For you people saying that the US is the one padding the numbers, Germany themselves have admitted to everything. Do you know the shame they have to live with? Why would they pad something to make it look even worse? It's not doing much of a service to those who died by saying the numbers were padded. For all we know 8 million died and there are 2 million forgotten people.

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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2006, 07:15:19 PM »
For you people saying that the US is the one padding the numbers, Germany themselves have admitted to everything. Do you know the shame they have to live with? Why would they pad something to make it look even worse? It's not doing much of a service to those who died by saying the numbers were padded. For all we know 8 million died and there are 2 million forgotten people.

In other news....



Every number matters because jews have used the holocaust to justify just about everything. They used it to advance their own selfish interests on behalf of another group of people.

Point is that if they used the holocaust to advance political agendas then they should be subject to questions. They should not be immune like they want to be.

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« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2006, 07:23:02 PM »
Every number matters because jews have used the holocaust to justify just about everything. They used it to advance their own selfish interests on behalf of another group of people.

Point is that if they used the holocaust to advance political agendas then they should be subject to questions. They should not be immune like they want to be.

The numbers are irrelevant if you ask me. They would be crying if it was 1 jew gassed or 6 million. That's a pretty stupid argument you're making.

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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2006, 07:32:47 PM »
The number is just as relevant as the numberof our troops that have lost their lives in Iraq. I don't see liberals saying millions are being killed, that would be a big difference. I believe the holocaust happened but I'm sure that 6 million jews were not killed. Thats all they ever talk about, "6 million", and no one ever dares call it a lie.Why? Because the jews have money? Because people think they'll seem anti-semetic? I think there should be a thorough investigation. I wish it wasn't being done in Iran but it has to be done.