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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2006, 07:35:51 PM »
The number is just as relevant as the numberof our troops that have lost their lives in Iraq. I don't see liberals saying millions are being killed, that would be a big difference. I believe the holocaust happened but I'm sure that 6 million jews were not killed. Thats all they ever talk about, "6 million", and no one ever dares call it a lie.Why? Because the jews have money? Because people think they'll seem anti-semetic? I think there should be a thorough investigation. I wish it wasn't being done in Iran but it has to be done.

Does the number bother you that much? How do you suppose they can investigate it? The majority of people killed were incinerated. Not to mention the fact it occured over 60 years ago. Enlighten me. It's interesting watching you cry babies basically say that the German Government is wrong.

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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2006, 07:37:01 PM »
The number is just as relevant as the numberof our troops that have lost their lives in Iraq. I don't see liberals saying millions are being killed, that would be a big difference. I believe the holocaust happened but I'm sure that 6 million jews were not killed. Thats all they ever talk about, "6 million", and no one ever dares call it a lie.Why? Because the jews have money? Because people think they'll seem anti-semetic? I think there should be a thorough investigation. I wish it wasn't being done in Iran but it has to be done.

Yeah, you and I aren't fucking Nazis just because we question something.

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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2006, 07:38:14 PM »
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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2006, 07:40:22 PM »
Does the number bother you that much? How do you suppose they can investigate it? The majority of people killed were incinerated. Not to mention the fact it occured over 60 years ago. Enlighten me. It's interesting watching you cry babies basically say that the German Government is wrong.

Cry babies? What am I crying over? Half the people on this board constantly bash our government and say how wrong the US and it's current administration is, Why can't the German Gov't be wrong? And I am saying the german government is wrong, that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm saying the jews have become powerful enough that any mention that they may not have suffered as bad as they portray is considered anti-semetic, its bs.

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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2006, 08:01:36 PM »
Cry babies? What am I crying over? Half the people on this board constantly bash our government and say how wrong the US and it's current administration is, Why can't the German Gov't be wrong? And I am saying the german government is wrong, that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm saying the jews have become powerful enough that any mention that they may not have suffered as bad as they portray is considered anti-semetic, its bs.

The mistake you make is not in challenge the number, but in attributing the Jews as "suffering".

This is not the issue.

The issue is that the Nazis committed horrible crimes, and that there are numerous ways of verifying the death total, even though nobody will ever know the exact amount of people that were murdered.

I don't think there is any problem with people looking at the actual facts and studying, doing real research.

But quasi-science, sitting in your little apartment and making estimates based on what is "possible", instead of doing field research, interviews and real research of the material available, that is hogwash.

And precisely what the revisionists are doing.

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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2006, 08:05:03 PM »
The mistake you make is not in challenge the number, but in attributing the Jews as "suffering".

This is not the issue.

The issue is that the Nazis committed horrible crimes, and that there are numerous ways of verifying the death total, even though nobody will ever know the exact amount of people that were murdered.

I don't think there is any problem with people looking at the actual facts and studying, doing real research.

But quasi-science, sitting in your little apartment and making estimates based on what is "possible", instead of doing field research, interviews and real research of the material available, that is hogwash.

And precisely what the revisionists are doing.

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Well said, Hedge.

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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2006, 08:26:48 PM »
The mistake you make is not in challenge the number, but in attributing the Jews as "suffering".

This is not the issue.

The issue is that the Nazis committed horrible crimes, and that there are numerous ways of verifying the death total, even though nobody will ever know the exact amount of people that were murdered.

I don't think there is any problem with people looking at the actual facts and studying, doing real research.

But quasi-science, sitting in your little apartment and making estimates based on what is "possible", instead of doing field research, interviews and real research of the material available, that is hogwash.

And precisely what the revisionists are doing.

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First, If you ever hear Jews talk they constantly mention how they have been "suffering" since the times of the pharoehs and are still suffering in parts of the world. I see commercials everyday asking me to donate money to Israel and help the Jews. Second, I am not the one doing the research. I think real research should be done; interviews, document reviews etc.. I don't believe an Imperial Wizard in the KKK should be a major contributor and considered an "expert" during the investigation. This is why I stated that I wish it was not being done in Iran. As far as me sitting in my aprtment, that  has nothing to do with the fact that 6 million jews were not killed.

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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2006, 08:47:37 PM »
The mistake you make is not in challenge the number, but in attributing the Jews as "suffering".

This is not the issue.

The issue is that the Nazis committed horrible crimes, and that there are numerous ways of verifying the death total, even though nobody will ever know the exact amount of people that were murdered.

I don't think there is any problem with people looking at the actual facts and studying, doing real research.

But quasi-science, sitting in your little apartment and making estimates based on what is "possible", instead of doing field research, interviews and real research of the material available, that is hogwash.

And precisely what the revisionists are doing.

-Hedge

I agree.  So what if the number was 6 million, 1 million, or 100,000.  No question they committed genocide. 

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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2006, 08:54:41 PM »
I agree.  So what if the number was 6 million, 1 million, or 100,000.  No question they committed genocide. 

I agree, genocide was commited. But 100,000 and 6 million is very different. 500k have been killed so far in Darfur and everyone seems to be turning a blind eye. I personally don't care if 10 or 10 million were killed, I hate the fact that it is so frowned upon to mention that the number may be exaggerated. That is what I am arguing, the "taboo" of calling the holocaust exaggerated, not the actual genocide.

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« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2006, 09:08:04 PM »
I agree, genocide was commited. But 100,000 and 6 million is very different. 500k have been killed so far in Darfur and everyone seems to be turning a blind eye. I personally don't care if 10 or 10 million were killed, I hate the fact that it is so frowned upon to mention that the number may be exaggerated. That is what I am arguing, the "taboo" of calling the holocaust exaggerated, not the actual genocide.

Do you have any proof that it was exaggerated? You keep claiming that you think it is, and you haven't provided one detail to back it up outside of "it sounds worse when it's bigger".

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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2006, 09:17:01 PM »
Again, I am not/have not done all the research. I think the Jews would have a much better story if 6 million were killed than if 100,000 were killed. This is why I think a real investigation should be completed. Thats all I'm saying, is that there should be a complete investigation.

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« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2006, 09:41:27 PM »
As far as proof, because I can see several people want some reasons, how about the fact that there are no gas chambers. NONE. There are no fuctional or credible gas chambers, no blueprints, no plans, no document, no order to gas, exterminate, or cremate. NOTHING. Not to mention what would they do with 6 million bodies? They did not have the energy to cremate this many bodies. The crematories were not big enough to do such a work load. These are some of the reasons I believe the number is exaggerated. You cant kill 6 million people in 3 years and not leave proof of how you did it. It just doesn't add up.

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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2006, 09:43:10 PM »
Again, I am not/have not done all the research. I think the Jews would have a much better story if 6 million were killed than if 100,000 were killed. This is why I think a real investigation should be completed. Thats all I'm saying, is that there should be a complete investigation.

Bro, and I'm don't want to come across as insulting now, forgive me if I do...

The thing is "the real investigation" you talk about, is suggesting that all the studies that has been done regarding the Holocaust up until now is flawed.

This is where there is a big logical lapsus on your part. Why would all the research up until now be so wrong?

"Complete investigation"?

Why would there not have been a complete review, recollection and research of the horrors of the WWII?

It is, after all, a World War.

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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2006, 09:46:38 PM »
As far as proof, because I can see several people want some reasons, how about the fact that there are no gas chambers. NONE. There are no fuctional or credible gas chambers, no blueprints, no plans, no document, no order to gas, exterminate, or cremate. NOTHING. Not to mention what would they do with 6 million bodies? They did not have the energy to cremate this many bodies. The crematories were not big enough to do such a work load. These are some of the reasons I believe the number is exaggerated. You cant kill 6 million people in 3 years and not leave proof of how you did it. It just doesn't add up.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Majdanek/Majdanek02.html

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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2006, 09:49:34 PM »
That's the thing, it has not been looked at with the possibility of the numbers being wrong. The world is too afraid to dare say the numbers are wrong. The jews are too powerful and countries do not want to offend them. The numbers and horrible methods of torture were pumped up by the allied forces and the soviets to drive the fight against the germans. Same way the Japanese told their pilots that if they were caught, american soldier would torture them with bamboo shutes in their nailbeds.

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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2006, 09:52:41 PM »
Look at Majdanek. The numbers of Majdanek has clearly been revised down, without anyone objecting to it, and it has been done by real historians, the same kind of historians that would establish that there are 6 million Jews slain.

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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2006, 09:55:53 PM »
Woul they have been given the land of Israel if only one Jewish person had been murdered, BerzerkFury?

I don't think that creating Israel was legit.

That was a crime against the Palestine people.

But things being the way they are, an equal Israel and Palestine is the just solution IMO.

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« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2006, 09:56:18 PM »
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Majdanek/Majdanek02.html

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I can google Holocaust revisionism and post a link if you want. I'm giving you the other side of the arguement. I see buildings, someone descirbing "gas chambers" and an article saying the pulled gased bodies up a hill with tractors. 6 million people brought to crematories in tractors in the 40s. Didn't happen. There just wasn't enough energy in Germany in the 40s to burn 6 million bodies. It's a fact, they couldnt have mass murdered that many people that fast with no proof. Buidings on a field do not proove The chambers were functional, especially enough to gas millions.

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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2006, 10:38:31 PM »
Disclaimer - I have no opinion on if Holo. was exaggerated or not.  I have no reason to believe it was.  I saw 6 mil in my history book and i have never seen anything otherwise.  So I'm certainly not arguing that.  But a few thoughts-

1. There will never be another investigation

2. Germany signed anything we told them in order to stay alive.

3. One dead person does not get you permission from the world to steal land - Six million dead people does.

4. History is written by the winners, and we won.

5. Everyone with a differing opinion was hanged.

6. They oddly made it a crime to question the Holocaust.  To me, if there's nothing to hide, you sure don't need a law to ensure nobody asks what you're hiding...

7. To this day, any celebrity, politician, etc who questions anything about Israel sees his career shortcircuited.  The media sacrificed Mel Gibson WAY longer than the quickly forgiven Kramer.

We'll never know.  Period.  And anyone who blindly says "I *KNOW* it's true or untrue" is a doggone fool.  The only thing you *KNOW* is what you read in books written by one side.  The other side would go to jail for writing their take.

What are you talking about?

They are continually researching the Holocaust and trying to find out exactly how many people that were killed.

Majdanek was one of the extermination camps, and was originally claimed to have killed over a million people. That number has later been going down throughout the years. Now its down to under 100 000.

So the research continues. Europe will never forget.

It's not about what numbers are fitting.

Or even about numbers. It's not about numbers.

It's about documenting what actually happened, as truthfully as possible.


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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2006, 10:47:08 PM »
ancient history folks. focus on today.

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Re: Iran opens holocaust conference
« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2006, 09:38:56 AM »
Do you have any proof that it was exaggerated? You keep claiming that you think it is, and you haven't provided one detail to back it up outside of "it sounds worse when it's bigger".

Each time real scholars and historians have questioned the 6 million figure by citing historical evidence they've been thrown in prison. And please stop with the Nazi Germany pictures. As you already know, this forum isn't full of pussy-footing, politically correct people. Doing the picture and "heil hitler" may work in the real world in silencing critics of Israel but it sure as hell wont work here(internet).

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Re: David Duke joins Iran's holocaust conference
« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2006, 10:51:36 AM »
Doesn't get any better...  ;)



KKK's David Duke Tells Iran Holocaust Conference That Gas Chambers Not Used to Kill Jews


TEHRAN, Iran —  Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's conference questioning the Holocaust came to an end Tuesday, but not before hearing former KKK Imperial Wizard David Duke say that gas chambers were not used to kill Jews.

"The Zionists have used the Holocaust as a weapon to deny the rights of the Palestinians and cover up the crimes of Israel," Duke told a gathering of nearly 70 "researchers" in Tehran at Ahmadinejad's invitation.

"This conference has an incredible impact on Holocaust studies all over the world," said Duke, a former state representative in Louisiana who twice ran for president.

"The Holocaust is the device used as the pillar of Zionist imperialism, Zionist aggression, Zionist terror and Zionist murder," Duke told The Associated Press.

Also at the end of the conference, Mohammad Ali Ramini, an Ahmadinejad adviser who has called the Holocaust a "myth," announced that he will chair a committee to find "the truth on the genocide of Jews."

Other members of the committee will be Robert Fuerisson, a French professor who denies the existence of gas chambers, along with Holocaust deniers from Syria, Switzerland, Austria, Canada, the United States and Bahrain.

Tuesday's speeches included Ali Akbar Mohtashamipour, a former interior minister and one of the founders of Lebanese militia Hezbollah, who labeled the Holocaust as a "tale."

"All the studies and research carried out so far have proven that there is no reason to believe that the Holocaust ever occurred and that it is only a tale," he stated.

Austrian historian Wolfgang Froehlich, who served a two-year jail sentence in his home country for denying the Holocaust, did not read out his speech — which was handed out to participants — for fear of being jailed again. Denying the Holocaust is a crime in a dozen European countries, including Austria, where British historian David Irving was jailed in February for three years for denying the Holocaust.

Nabil Soleiman, an adviser to the ministry of religious affairs in Syria, said, "If the Holocaust ever occurred, it was a conspiracy against the Arab-Islamic world as today the Middle East is still paying the consequences."

Ahmadinejad opened Tuesday's session by thanking God that the Zionist regime was declining, telling conference participants, “its lifetime will be over and their interests as well as reputation will be endangered,” the Islamic Republican News Agency reported.

International condemnation continued to pour in against the government-sponsored conference in Tehran, which has drawn Holocaust deniers from around the world.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair said it was "shocking beyond belief" and called the conference "a symbol of sectarianism and hatred."

He said he saw little hope of engaging Iran in constructive action in the Middle East, saying, "I look around the region at the moment, and everything Iran is doing is negative."

The White House condemned the gathering of Holocaust deniers in Tehran as "an affront to the entire civilized world as well as to the traditional Iranian values of tolerance and respect."

A statement from press secretary Tony Snow noted the meeting coincided with International Human Rights Week, which renews the pledges of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights drafted in the wake of World War II atrocities.

"The Iranian regime perversely seeks to call the historical fact of those atrocities into question and provide a platform for hatred," Snow said.

Michele Renouf, an Australian socialite supporter of "Holocaust skeptics," called Ahmadinejad "a hero" for opening a debate about the Holocaust. Renouf, a blonde former beauty queen, addressed the audience wearing a green robe and Islamic headscarf, abiding by Iranian law requiring women to cover their hair.

Frederick Toben, an Australian who in 1999 served jail time in Germany for his Holocaust views, told the conference in no uncertain terms that the number of Jews killed in Nazi death camps — an estimated 6 million — is a myth.

''The number of victims at the Auschwitz concentration camp could be about 2,007,'' Toben said. ''The railroad to the camp did not have enough capacity to transfer large numbers of Jews."

Among the 67 participants from 30 countries, who included some of Europe's most prominent Holocaust deniers, were two rabbis and four other members of the fringe group Jews United Against Zionism.

They were dressed in the traditional long black coats and black hats of ultra-Orthodox Jews. The group says the creation of the state of Israel violates Jewish law and argues that the Holocaust should not be used to justify its founding.

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Re: David Duke a "distinguished speaker" at Iran's holocaust conference
« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2006, 12:38:12 PM »
I get the feeling that Iran will fight with it's fanatical power to stay just the way it is.

Not everyone feels democracy is the end all to be all. 

I think this may be one of the problems with Iraq.  Trying to get the country to accept democracy and westernization.

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Re: David Duke a "distinguished speaker" at Iran's holocaust conference
« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2006, 12:50:16 PM »
240, you're a clown.

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Re: David Duke a "distinguished speaker" at Iran's holocaust conference
« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2006, 01:18:40 PM »
read the book 'The Nazi Doctors' by RJ Lifton - it describes the camp systems and numbers in detail and includes interviews and testimony of actual camp officials. its an interesting and extremely cold and harsh read. but it goes a long way in describing the psychology of the people and the times and how ordinary people could become efficiant killing machines.

Puller, the camp facilities were overstrained all the time especially during the hungarian shipments of 1944, when thousands of corpses had to be burned in giant open pits dug in the ground. also keep in mind that a not-insignificant number of the jewbagels included in the total were killed outside the camps.