"All drugs."

[TheEgoCrusher]

Work ethic seperates wannabes from the accomplished in the gym.  All the drugs in the world can't make up for not working hard...although many pro's don't work out as hard as many who lift as a hobby, depending on gear.

[Mr. Intenseone]

I diagree about BBing not being a science. The average person, natural or not, can't just eat big, train and then be at 4% BF, full and hard. It doesn't work that way. Especially for a natural BB with average genetics, it's is all about science and learning what works through trial and error.

Unless I missed something, have not found a University study on bodybuilding protocol, but there have been hundreds if not thousands of studies on protocol reguarding athletes and their training. I really don't consider the 'Weider" principals exactly scientific research

[The Squadfather]

Unless I missed something, have not found a University study on bodybuilding protocol, but there have been hundreds if not thousands of studies on protocol reguarding athletes and their training. I really don't consider the 'Weider" principals exactly scientific research

why don't you tell us all how you achieved that 535 raw bench press at 181lbs. bodyweight?

[Mr. Intenseone]

why don't you tell us all how you achieved that 535 raw bench press at 181lbs. bodyweight?

Where would you like me to start?

[The Squadfather]

Where would you like me to start?

when did you first think of this lie and how did you come up with the exact weight?

[Mr. Intenseone]

when did you first think of this lie and how did you come up with the exact weight?

Right after I did it!

[The Squadfather]

Right after I did it!

hahahahah, and then you woke up covered in piss and drool.

[Mr. Intenseone]

hahahahah, and then you woke up covered in piss and drool.

Whatever dude!

[nycbull]

Its all about how many testosterone receptors you have. If you have a lot you will respond to juice, if you have none, give it up.  You can tell guys that have a lot of receptors they usually looked more developed  at an early age and usually thicker skin, heavy bones, some with more body hair but less on the head.  These kind of guys get huge on juice.

[warrior_code]

good perspective Matt, homo sapien sapiens are a really young species, and we haven't really been around that long in order to have huge variances.  I think the main difference is the mental aspect of each human that determines their success at what they chose to pursue. 

[warrior_code]

I would say that training and work ethic in the gym is probably the least important factor.  If I were to eat nothing and train hard I would make worse gains than eating properly and training like a wimp.  That applies across the board.

I would disagree, it seems work ethic is the most important factor, why would the body improve if you don't push it? work ethic determines the level of stress you put on yourself and the better you adapt,