UK Liquid bomb on plane scare - story crumbling big time

[240 is Back]

 

[Nordic Superman]

Mods: get the owner of this site to enable a "sleeping/tired/boring" smiley. It's in dire need.

You have no evidence yet present it like fact as usual. Well done.

You've concluded there was no threat and that it was fabricated by the government. Your only evidence being the muzzie has been freed.

Wow, real glad you make websites and don't work for national security fella!

[Cavalier22]

You are absolutely right 240.  We do not need to have security at airports.  No homeland security, no intelligence agency, no wiretapping radical islamists phones.  It is all, ALL, a mechanism to scare the US populus.  There is no threat.  Just as 911 was really someone using a remote control flying those planes into the twin towers, and that it was really a glider carrying a missile that hit the pentagon, and the plane that crashed/shot down in PA never really crashed there.  Open your eyes people!!!

[Fury]

Mods: get the owner of this site to enable a "sleeping/tired/boring" smiley. It's in dire need.

You have no evidence yet present it like fact as usual. Well done.

You've concluded there was no threat and that it was fabricated by the government. Your only evidence being the muzzie has been freed.

Wow, real glad you make websites and don't work for national security fella!

Nordic, are you suggesting that we shouldn't take the opinion of some out of shape retard who works from home barely scraping by, as fact? That's news to me!

[JOHN MATRIX]

obviously SOME airport security is needed, but they have gone WAY overboard with all this shit, id rather take my 1-1,000,000 chances with the terrorists than have to wait in 4 hour lines, have everything searched twice, having to get to the airport at 7am for a 1pm flight, seeing wheelchair-bound grandmothers get their shoes examined, not being able to take liquids, bathroom products, deoderant on board, seeing them take bottles away from babies, give me a fucking break
theres no doubt there IS a LOT of scare tactics and fear mongering going on and im sick of it.

[JOHN MATRIX]

look, all we need now is metal detectors to prevent knives and swords and shit form going on board, and to detect bombs. thats it. its got to the point now where is anyone remotely muslim looking does ANYTHING suspicious on a plane, he will get beaten to death in the blink of an eye. people are just waiting for someone to try something again.the airlines should just have, say 2-3 armored henchmen on every flight, who are experts at hand to hand combat and knife fighting, whose sole job is to walk around and look for anything suspicious.

[OzmO]

240  please put links to the 2 stories

1:  the story showing him as leader

2:  the story showing him as released.

[Nordic Superman]

Ahh so this didn't even take place in a British court room?

  Fucking hell, know jihadist government (Pakistan) frees him...

[Cavalier22]

your initial statement on this developement is quite a stretch.

[Nordic Superman]

Nordic, are you suggesting that we shouldn't take the opinion of some out of shape retard who works from home barely scraping by, as fact? That's news to me!

roflmao, quoted for prosperity!

[OzmO]

This is why your conclusions and "facts are always in question 240.

YOU BEND THE FACTS! 240.

Monster scare tactics?

The alleged ringleader of a much vaunted plot to blow up multiple transatlantic airliners using liquid explosives has been cleared of terrorism charges and of being a member of any terrorist group, rendering August's terror scare another hyped creation of government scare mongering.

versus  the real story

Pakistan has presented Mr Rauf as one of the ringleaders behind the alleged plan to blow up flights out of London.

You present facts and twist them to get people thinking they are something they are not.

"the" ringleader is far different from "one of the" ringleaders and changes the impact of your story.

But your passion (blinders) won't let you see that huh?

[Dos Equis]

This is why your conclusions and "facts are always in question 240.

YOU BEND THE FACTS! 240.

True, true.   

[OzmO]

okay, so he might be #1, or he might be #1-3 in the terror plot.  I give you that.

But answer my point.  Why isn't the man being charged?  They had enough evidence to stop the airline industry and terrify the world, but not enough to secure an indictment? Come on, dude.  In the USA, they can indict a ham sandwich on anything and get a trial.  Why is this man skating on all charges?  Why have others been released also?

I don't know why 240!  Do you?  Do you have all the facts the police and pakistan have on the case?  Do you know all the info?

NO.

You are once again making assumptions based on incomplete info.

[Nordic Superman]

Man, I have been seeing the news the last 2 months, every week another one of these guys gets released for lack of evidence.

Can you please defend this case? LOL... can you please tell me it's a legit case?  Cause they typically have terrorists waterboarded, jailed, indicted, etc.  Why are these cats all getting sent home?

Wait a second, the news is a reliable source when it comes to YOU using it as evidence.

But if someone else said something along the same lines you'd criticise the source for being bent American media.

Boy you really want it both ways don't you?

[Nordic Superman]

Well, let's see.

Is the BBC *making up* the fact that one or two of the terror suspects have been released every week or so, for the last 2 months?

No.

And really, this news source thing is such a diversionary tactic when it comes to debates.  When I post a CT link, 9/10 times it is nothing more than a link or collection of links to a mainstream site.  like prison planet listing CNN, FOX, and NYTimes articles.  When a person degrades this link as "CT crap", they show themself to be small minded and worthy of a little bukkake.

Wait, you didn't happen to overlook the scandal revolving around BBC self admitting its own bias from a chairman of the board?

Get some new game.

[OzmO]

Man, I have been seeing the news the last 2 months, every week another one of these guys gets released for lack of evidence.

Can you please defend this case? LOL... can you please tell me it's a legit case?  Cause they typically have terrorists waterboarded, jailed, indicted, etc.  Why are these cats all getting sent home?

REALLY?       so the news has given out all the details and everything the police have on the case? Including wittness statments and reprts analyzing all the evidence?

Wow, you must have a great news source!


So basically you know everything the police know?

[OzmO]

Oz,

they're releasing the guys they called terrorists plotting the biggest attack in history.

Please list the reasonable causes for this action.

I can't do that because i don;t have all the info at hand......

Anything i said would be pure speculation and the same is for you.

Surely you can see the logic and sound thinking is this?

But you use these unfounded conclusions to make your arguements.  That's why they don't work.

[OzmO]

LMAO... dude, they are dropping charges and releasing guys they called terrorists.

I believe a reasonable person could infer they got the wrong guys, or have insufficient evidence.

Is that unreasonable?

Or are releasing the guys to do some survallence or that particular one is the wrong guy, or that guy was actually a double agent or  the paki governemnt made a deal with england etc...

[OzmO]

Another thing, is that the only person they charged?

[OzmO]

LOL... you're inventing scenarios to counteract what the govt has said, lack of evidence.

Who's the conspiracy nut now?

This is a liablilty of talking with text only.

I only meant to provide other possible reasons other then the reason you stated becuase you and i don't have all the information.

[OzmO]

When it was on the news back then, we were told the men were in the final stages of planning the attacks and it was necessary to take them down immediately.

Typically in things like this, most initial news stories are not 100% correct.

Are all of them free?  Do you know the legal staus of the ones being held?

Answer these questions first.

[Nordic Superman]

Hahaha OzmO is my new hero

240 SUCKS!

[Delusional Liberal]

You are absolutely right 240.  We do not need to have security at airports.  No homeland security, no intelligence agency, no wiretapping radical islamists phones.  It is all, ALL, a mechanism to scare the US populus.  There is no threat.  Just as 911 was really someone using a remote control flying those planes into the twin towers, and that it was really a glider carrying a missile that hit the pentagon, and the plane that crashed/shot down in PA never really crashed there.  Open your eyes people!!!

lol!

[Delusional Liberal]

Nordic and Liberal,

How do you interpret the fact they are slowly and quietly releasing all those nasty men hell bent on killing themselves by blowing up planes?

*Brilliant police work?*  LMAO...

i would hang them immediately, no trial.

[Nordic Superman]

i would hang them immediately, no trial.

Amen!

Sacrifices must be made. You wanna make an omelet you gotta break some eggs.