Dillett's Before BEFORE picture

[realkarateblackbelt]

On the contrary, he was a hyper-responder to drugs. The doses aren't the point and aren't an exact science anyway. Schwarzenegger might well have grown on half the amounts he used; it's not as if the doses used were arrived at by any logical process.

Had most of the gains been natural, more of the size would've been retained off hormones, and the weight swings wouldn't be so drastic. He looked ok without them but the difference was disappointing, as if most of the greatness was unnatural. He looked ok off cycle, as shown in the pic.

As far as athleticism, it was his lack thereof that led him away from soccer; wasn't just an interest in individual sports. There's no sign of any particular talent there, as seen in various news pieces of his lumbering gait as governor. A natural athlete in middle-age would not walk that way sans injuries.

Dillet no doubt had great genetics with or without drugs; to reduce it to drug intake's simplistic.

[pumpster]

Aside from the horrible bod in a pic taken when he was only in his early 50s, that stance in the "now" pic is an example of the ackward slightly lumbering gait. Nothing to do with a natural athlete.

[realkarateblackbelt]

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He's in his mid 50s and just had heart surgery. 

Face it, these guys are all drugs. If they weren't, they wouldn't disolve and lose 50 - 75 pounds of muscle when they retire. There are plenty of people that look like flabby Dillet. I guess he's not that special genetically. If their genetics were so superior they would be making money in pro sports like football, boxing, baseball, etc..

[logical?]

He's in his mid 50s and just had heart surgery. 

Face it, these guys are all drugs. If they weren't, they wouldn't disolve and lose 50 - 75 pounds of muscle when they retire. There are plenty of people that look like flabby Dillet. I guess he's not that special genetically. If their genetics were so superior they would be making money in pro sports like football, boxing, baseball, etc..

When a lifetime natural who's been training and eating for 15 years suddenly stops, after a while he'll lose all his gains too.

[realkarateblackbelt]

When a lifetime natural who's been training and eating for 15 years suddenly stops, after a while he'll lose all his gains too.

Not NEARLY as fast. Not even close. I know people that trained natural all their lives and they still look built into their 50s.

That's beside the point though...

The point is, a so-called genetic freak is exposed as a chemical monster with average genetics.

[the shadow]

how old are these pauls before before pic..

[logical?]

Not NEARLY as fast. Not even close. I know people that trained natural all their lives and they still look built into their 50s.

That's beside the point though...

The point is, a so-called genetic freak is exposed as a chemical monster with average genetics.

Well, not really. The point is that he's a hyper-responder. That means he has incredible genetics to gain alot of muscle, quickly, off gear, perhaps as has been reported several times, on medium cycles or less.

It's got nothing to do with his capacity to gain muscle off-cycle- that's not what good response to AAS genetics means.

Genetic freak means a hyper responder. Paul is a hyper responder. So, Paul is a genetic freak.

[realkarateblackbelt]

Nobody is impressed by that. So what? The guy responds to steroids.

You have no idea if he's a hyper responder or not. He's probably on a ton of stuff when he's preparing for a contest. You have no idea what he takes.

The bottom line is, he looks like crap without drugs. That's always been the point. Without drugs he's nothing.

[logical?]

Nobody is impressed by that. So what? The guy responds to steroids.

You have no idea if he's a hyper responder or not. He's probably on a ton of stuff when he's preparing for a contest. You have no idea what he takes.

The bottom line is, he looks like crap without drugs. That's always been the point. Without drugs he's nothing.

I'm impressed. I look at that picture, and some of his past showings, and I think, fuck, that's one hell of an impressive physique.

I don't give a shit whether he looks good with drugs or without them- he's never trained natural (as far as we know) so we are in no position to say how he'd look like without them. The taboo about AAS is far overblown- he could be on 10g of test a day for all I care, the final result is an awesome physique.

And he placed top 6 in the world on multiple occasions, never being able to pose for shit. The judges were obviously impressed.

[pumpster]

Nobody is impressed by that. So what? The guy responds to steroids.

You have no idea if he's a hyper responder or not. He's probably on a ton of stuff when he's preparing for a contest. You have no idea what he takes.

The bottom line is, he looks like crap without drugs. That's always been the point. Without drugs he's nothing.

What's striking is your hate for Dillet and Schwarzenegger ball-worship. An insane dichotomy; they both took the drug cocktails of their day with no reservation.

Any criticism of either should factor in what has been going on in their lives that led one or the other to maintain (or not). Schwarzenegger seems to have gotten in shape as needed for movies, otherwise could look like crap as well, including those beach shots from not long ago that had nothing to do with the surgery excuse.

Funny this confusion over steroid response: the dosages used might've varied but whatever amounts used is secondary to the fact that there was a drastic change in appearance.

[beatmaster]

omg, the before pic of paul, he looks like an average joe drinking beer and whatching tv.
thats what happen when you get off the sauce and training.

[DIVISION]

On the contrary, he was a hyper-responder to drugs. The doses are a separate issue; the variance in amounts used doesn't negative the fact of being a hyper-responder to drugs. That's aside from the fact that doses weren't an exact science anyway, especially in the 60s. Schwarzenegger might well have grown on half the amounts he used; it's not as if the doses used were arrived at by any logical process.

Had most of the gains been natural, more of the size would've been retained off hormones, and the weight swings wouldn't be so drastic. He looked ok without them but the difference was disappointing, as if most of the greatness was unnatural. He looked ok off cycle, as shown in the pic.

As far as athleticism, it was his lack thereof that led him away from soccer; wasn't just an interest in individual sports. There's no sign of any particular talent there, as seen in various filmed news pieces of his lumbering gait as governor. A natural athlete in middle-age would not walk that way sans injuries.

Dillet no doubt had great genetics with or without drugs; to reduce it to drug intake's simplistic.

I've got more experience dealing with bodybuilders and cycles than you do, lil' pumpster.

You stick to bodybuilding threads and I'll stick to AAS.

Arnold was no hyper-responder.

Levrone was a good example of a hyper-responder...

That picture of Arnold at the beach was as an old broken down man, no longer using AAS.

That has nothing to do with the question of how his body reacted to the drugs in his prime.



DIV

[pumpster]

I've got more experience dealing with bodybuilders and cycles than you do, lil' pumpster.

You stick to bodybuilding threads and I'll stick to AAS.

Arnold was no hyper-responder.

Levrone was a good example of a hyper-responder...

That picture of Arnold at the beach was as an old broken down man, no longer using AAS.

That has nothing to do with the question of how his body reacted to the drugs in his prime.


DIV

"DIV" with continued imperiousness now resorting to infantile pissing contests in lieu of content. "I have more experience than you" trumps any evidence to back up very general claims that are supposed to be believe "because he says so". hahahahahaahhaah. I'm sure he has much more experience with roids, because he needed them himself more than I ever did.

Back up what is being said with solid evidence of being there with Arnold in his teens, what was being taken and the response to it. So far that's absent, leaving only the arrogance in evidence. Much of this is common sense and you weren't there when either one was 18 on their cycles-you don't know all the facts either, arrogant one.

As already mentioned and ignored by you, discern between absolute & relative response-whatever the doses taken, if someone responds drastically it is not for you to decide which were the responders. The first pic provided was Schwarzenegger around age 30. In the other he was only in his early 50s.

Get off your soapbox, unless you can come up with specifics to prove what is so far your rampant speculation, son.

[Earl1972]

If they continue to train naturally, they can keep a good physique for decades.  If they do it with drugs, the size plummets, regardless of whatever else they do.  Otherwise, the drug taking would be a one-time process. 

yeah that is true if they continue to train but he said a natural physique is forever

if you don't continue to train or eat a high protein diet you will shrink back to your normal size, natural or not

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[Cap]

If super genetics mean hyper responder does that mean that people who respond to Advil or Ritalin are genetic freaks?  By some posts that's what people will have you believe.  Some bodies just get a lucky draw with some or all compunds.  However, if you megadose like most of these guys, you will respond genetics or otherwise.  When pros say that they know guys in the gym that take more than them then they must be loaded gym rats because I doubt the average AAS user has GH, slin and gram upon gram of test in his body on a daily/weekly/monthly/yearly basis.  To me, it is just another ploy to make us believe that they are superior to everyone else but when you see pics of Dillet like this you know it's 99% BS.  There are some like Lee P who were freaks from a young clean age but they are few and far between.

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

Arnold "off" still had a great body. He didn't look huge or anything, but still you can see he's naturally athletic.

Arnold looked like shit when he was "off".

[pumpster]

Arnold looked like shit when he was "off".

Thank you. This "looked great" crap sounds like "Bluto" worshipping Stallone's balls. Schwarzenegger almost looks feminine without hormones, it's disturbing.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Thank you. This "looked great" crap sounds like "Bluto" worshipping Stallone's balls. Schwarzenegger almost looks feminine without hormones, it's disturbing.

You don't think he looks better than guys like Tom Prince of Levrone when he off? or at least just as good?

[Heywood]

yeah that is true if they continue to train but he said a natural physique is forever

if you don't continue to train or eat a high protein diet you will shrink back to your normal size, natural or not

E

Earl, let's not make this so complicated:

With drugs, you can build great size and strength quickly, which is dependent on the drugs to maintain, regardless of continued training & eating.  Gains are lost as quickly as they are gained.

If natural, gains come much slower and are hard fought, but your baseline size and strength can be maintained by continued training and eating, and are slow to lose.

[pumpster]

You don't think he looks better than guys like Tom Prince of Levrone when he off? or at least just as good?

They all look healthy, it's the best way to look from a health point of view, whereas from a fan's perspective it's  sad to see muscle disappear to the point that it looks like another person.

[NarcissisticDeity]

They all look healthy, it's the best way to look from a health point of view, whereas from a fan's perspective it's  sad to see muscle disappear to the point that it looks like another person.

Well thats true but no one can stay that big forever , everyone has to come back at some time.

[pumpster]

Well thats true but no one can stay that big forever , everyone has to come back at some time.

Not to retain at least some of the size looks odd to begin with; the weight loss is usually extreme. On top of that, possibly due to imbalances caused by long-term hormone use & estrogen rebalancing, some seem to lose a degree of masculine qualities.

[Playboy]

Aside from the horrible bod in a pic taken when he was only in his early 50s, that stance in the "now" pic is an example of the ackward slightly lumbering gait. Nothing to do with a natural athlete.

Arnold is a sixty year old man who has already had a stellar bbdg career not to mention movie star and governer. You cannot compare Dillet to Arnold. What is Dillets excuse???

PB

[Tombo]

Arnold looked like shit when he was "off".

if thats 'shit' then dear got i wouldnt mind stepping in it and having some rub off onto me

you're a tard! hooray!

[rockyfortune]

the funniest bulls**t about that dillet articles was where he said he started taking muscletech products and his bench went up 130lbs in 6 weeks or some s**t like that..i'm wondering what muscletech product that was...