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pmq answered
« on: December 14, 2006, 10:51:41 PM »
GH-15, can you elaborate more about the use of SEO in BB (keep my name off please thank you)


there is nothig much to say,,90% of top competitors aka national and professional use it to some degree,,you got few diff products but if you ask me nolotil is the prefered way to go,, if you know how to use it right and have developed 19 inch arms,, you most likely will hit the 21 inch quite fast there after within couple days to couple weeks,,while getting the muscle to look more defined at the same time!

part of the reason you see current champ with uneven bodyparts is the use of those products,,but its not only him that uses it,,,it is 90% as i said before.

here is apex (ug lab! be warned) cosmostan 80/20 info,, its not nolotil but it is seo type product. again nolotil is what you looking for since its human grade and you want human grade with those products since they can hurt quite a bit. nolotil,, although not pure seo,,, will result in permanant growth if you know what youre doing and combine it with the right goodies. nolotil will work best for you before competition to grow the muscle to impressive size,,,but it also used by many during offseason when chasing the 21 inch arms at 5'9 and 10%

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Cosmostan must be injected deep into the belly of the muscle. The added Collagen is designed to hold the swelling effects within the muscle giving longer lasting effects.

How to use Cosmostan and site locate injections.

Site locating is no different than injecting into your glutes or quads.

Some smaller muscle groups can be slightly more painful than larger muscle groups.

Once you are use to site injecting and gain more experience the fear of site locating injections will soon disappear, just like when you first gave yourself an IM shot, it simply becomes second nature after a while.

Needle sizes
The needle size will depend very much upon your overall muscle mass in the area you are site locating injections.

As a rule you should use a blue needle (small gauge) for smaller muscle groups like biceps, triceps, calfs, delts and traps. A green needle (larger gauge) can be used on larger muscle groups like quads and lats.



How much Cosmostan do I inject.

Again this will depend on your overall size. Generally Cosmostan should be used on lagging muscle groups, the most common being biceps and triceps.

Using Cosmostan to Compete.

It is not unusual to site locate several muscle groups prior to competing on stage.

In this instance the last injections of Cosmostan should be site located 12 hours (no less) prior to competition as we need the 15% of fast acting androgenic activity to react with the oil blend and holding agent (collagen).

Note: Site injections prior to a competing should be done every other day for the last week prior to competing to achieve the right swelling effects. Drug detection: the trmbolone acetate in the blend can be detected up to 5 months. So you'll need to take the appropriate action to get around the tests.

General use for longer term site location growth in lagging muscle groups.

As a rule a lean 220lbs bodybuilder would use 2 - 3 ml per muscle group every 3 - 4 days over a 3 - 4 week period.

First timers
First timers are advised to use 1ml per muscle group and increase the size of the injections once you feel more confident.



The results
A growth gain in muscle tissue of at least 1 inch is easily achieved in many muscle groups over a 3 - 4 week course.

The fear of site injections is usually down to finding the right site to inject into.



BEFORE COSMOSTAN 80 / 20 AND AFTER

Done correctly you can easily add at least 1 inch to your biceps, triceps, etc.

Remember if you inject 3 ml into your left bicep, etc you will need to use the same amount in your right bicep, etc otherwise you will have an uneven look to your physique.


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Re: pmq answered
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2006, 04:16:07 AM »
gh15, what's your stance on the recent BD/Alin/Ret drama? Who is lying? Who owns BD?

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Re: pmq answered
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2006, 04:34:55 AM »
whatever ret says = holy in the bodybuilding/hormone community. alin is alin,,,many around like alin,,but ret there is only one,, yes he sounds like a mother fucker concited ass but he got the right to,,,you dont charge $800 minimum unless youre the top of the top of the food chain,,

id go with ret any day for long life in the game.
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2006, 05:49:52 AM »
if the info gh15 gives is accurate which seem's so,he paint's bbing in such a way at least proffessionally as a non stop needlefest.i understand the need for pro's to use anabolic's to keep an even playing field ,but to constantly vary and change dosages,drug type's,amount's,longevity of cycles it is impossible for someone without knowledge of it to even comprehend.and all the extra's like site injection's,synthol that's upping the stake's.escicelen was considered the extra taboo but now it's so extreme,but that's bbing.that's why the mag's are a joke with training,supp ad's,they don't even register with the "big picture".gh15 at least give's the inside.

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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2006, 06:12:34 AM »
if the info gh15 gives is accurate which seem's so,he paint's bbing in such a way at least proffessionally as a non stop needlefest.i understand the need for pro's to use anabolic's to keep an even playing field ,but to constantly vary and change dosages,drug type's,amount's,longevity of cycles it is impossible for someone without knowledge of it to even comprehend.and all the extra's like site injection's,synthol that's upping the stake's.escicelen was considered the extra taboo but now it's so extreme,but that's bbing.that's why the mag's are a joke with training,supp ad's,they don't even register with the "big picture".gh15 at least give's the inside.
well put.

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Re: pmq answered
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2006, 06:23:09 AM »
well put.

pro bb nowdays is a joke.

In any sport the pros will always try to find a competitive advantage. Once money is involved all bets are off. And to some extent as a fan I want the best product on display. Look at the quality of baseball these days, everyone is hitting home runs and putting up big numbers.


I am more disturbed by the smuck that does a cycle to go to the local gyms and clubs.

ofcourse you can always argue that what the pros eventually trickles down to the casual "players of that sport"
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Re: pmq answered
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2006, 06:44:37 AM »
these drugs make me laugh, you would think that with all of this shit that these guys are using, roids, GH, Insulin, site injections, synthol and now this shit that guys would be 400 pounds ripped, hahahaha, these clowns are still only 265 on stage at best, this just shows that the human body will only be pushed so far, we are very small creatures in the grand scheme of things.

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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2006, 07:03:53 AM »
LOL, sheesh...  Injecting oil, collagen and who knows what other foreign substances into your muscles...  I can only assume none of that stuff is FDA approved and there have been no studies into the long-term health effects.  Long gone are the days when bodybuilding could at least pretend to be about improving one's health and strength.

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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2006, 07:04:17 AM »
these drugs make me laugh, you would think that with all of this shit that these guys are using, roids, GH, Insulin, site injections, synthol and now this shit that guys would be 400 pounds ripped, hahahaha, these clowns are still only 265 on stage at best, this just shows that the human body will only be pushed so far, we are very small creatures in the grand scheme of things.
true but genectic's only go so far,and genectic's include willpower,tolerance to pain,disease,after 10 or so year's of dieting,drug's,bulking,and making a career of it ,it just has to wear u down.

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Re: pmq answered
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2006, 07:04:37 AM »
LOL, sheesh...  Injecting oil, collagen and who knows what other foreign substances into your muscles...  I can only assume none of that stuff is FDA approved and there have been no studies into the long-term health effects.  Long gone are the days when bodybuilding could at least pretend to be about improving one's health and strength.
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2006, 07:07:05 AM »
true but genectic's only go so far,and genectic's include willpower,tolerance to pain,disease,after 10 or so year's of dieting,drug's,bulking,and making a career of it ,it just has to wear u down.
you know what i mean, shit, i'm 232 with halfway decent condition and i don't take a thing, i've dome some shit in the past but nothing compared to a pro so you'd figure that these guys should at least outweigh me by 150 pounds.

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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2006, 07:19:51 AM »
you know what i mean, shit, i'm 232 with halfway decent condition and i don't take a thing, i've dome some shit in the past but nothing compared to a pro so you'd figure that these guys should at least outweigh me by 150 pounds.
232 at least u stack up on some size,just imagine 232 hard,4 pct body fat,that would be cool,but u have to push and do all those extra's.these guy's tap into that and pull all the stop's,without thinking twice about it.

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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2006, 07:22:06 AM »
232 at least u stack up on some size,just imagine 232 hard,4 pct body fat,that would be cool,but u have to push and do all those extra's.these guy's tap into that and pull all the stop's,without thinking twice about it.
i have no problem "pulling out all the stops" but just to lose a few percentage points of bodyfat? my point is that why waste the money and potential legal trouble unless you're going to 365 lbs. ripped which none of those guys are.

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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2006, 07:37:10 AM »
i have no problem "pulling out all the stops" but just to lose a few percentage points of bodyfat? my point is that why waste the money and potential legal trouble unless you're going to 365 lbs. ripped which none of those guys are.
How much gh and slin,anabolic's to be 365,it's seem's improbable,and quite an ugly "physique" would come of it.ya never know though.

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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2006, 07:40:58 AM »
How much gh and slin,anabolic's to be 365,it's seem's improbable,and quite an ugly "physique" would come of it.ya never know though.
that's exactly what i mean, it ain't gonna happen, the only reason i would use that amount of drugs is if i was going to become so huge that people would literally fall over in shock, 32 inch arms, 95 inch chest, 55 inch thighs and a 30 inch waist, with the exception of Coleman everytime i've met a pro in person i've thought to myself, "he ain't as big as i thought he would be, at least not for the amount of drugs he takes".

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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2006, 07:42:04 AM »
Every remembers the old MT adds with Kovacs.  He was touted as the first Mr. O to weigh 400 lbs shredded.  That was in 96'.  The joke lasted a few  years until Kovacs stepped on stage.  Than the laugh fest began.  He was last place at 3something at the AC, not to mention the episode at the NOC when he just pulled out and was seen weeping backstage.  Sad ending for the giant hype.
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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2006, 07:42:42 AM »
How much gh and slin,anabolic's to be 365,it's seem's improbable,and quite an ugly "physique" would come of it.ya never know though.

Look at how ugly Ronnie's and Jay's physiques are already. Unless you are a tall guy like Toney Freeman, too much size is not a good thing.

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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2006, 07:43:45 AM »
Look at how ugly Ronnie's and Jay's physiques are already. Unless you are a tall guy like Toney Freeman, too much size is not a good thing.
and even Ronnie and Jay are still a hundred pounds lighter than 365 onstage.

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Re: pmq answered
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2006, 07:52:58 AM »
RIGHT ,jay's 265 or so that's 100 more lbs :o.he is tapped out size wise.

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Re: pmq answered
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2006, 07:55:38 AM »
I've got a question for gh15, maybe you've covered this before, maybe not but honestly are there any over the counter supplements that you think are worth looking into?  I've heard great things about some stuff from gaspari nutrition and some stuff from labrada's line also.  The only thing I take right now is a protien powder and I'm not really looking into going nuts buying supplements but I'd like to hear what you have to say on the subject.
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Re: pmq answered
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2006, 03:53:09 PM »
i have a hard time believing you are a pro when everything that you said in your first post came verbatim from this website
http://www.apexpharmaonline.com/cosmostan.htm

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Re: pmq answered
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2006, 04:03:31 PM »
I've got a question for gh15, maybe you've covered this before, maybe not but honestly are there any over the counter supplements that you think are worth looking into?  I've heard great things about some stuff from gaspari nutrition and some stuff from labrada's line also.  The only thing I take right now is a protien powder and I'm not really looking into going nuts buying supplements but I'd like to hear what you have to say on the subject.

no,,there is nothing over the counter that can do shit for you,, bcaa can help prevent muscle loss to a minimal degree,,and enzymes will help you digest food to a degree if you got problems with digestion,, thats where it ends and dont believe any market tools or fools. protien is good for you but  i dont consider it supp and i dont consider m1t a supp either

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Re: pmq answered
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2006, 04:05:44 PM »
i have a hard time believing you are a pro when everything that you said in your first post came verbatim from this website
http://www.apexpharmaonline.com/cosmostan.htm

what people believeis their own thing,,, i never said i made that cosmostan read myself,,it is a known read and if you look well i put ==== before it was pasted by me,,anything above it was written by me
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Re: pmq answered
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2006, 04:09:44 PM »
i didn't see the break, that is understandable.  I have a question that maybe you could share some insight on.  i have some BD Dbol 10mg.   i was using 40mg a day with the first go around and noticed pretty good results.  what would someone at your level use?

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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2006, 04:11:30 PM »
100-150mg a day
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