If I remember correctly...an ErgoPharm fat-burner product used both of those ingredients...it was pumped up to be the second coming of ephedra.....well....gues s it didn't work out like that.
vinpocetine is put in a few products now as a fatigue inhibitor....I personally never noticed a bit of difference....did you?
good luck on your venture
No the ingrediant in ergopharm Amp is Geranamine...Supposdly coming from geranium oil...Doubtfully...the ergopahram product was tested by a major pharm giant decades ago to be used as an nasal decongestant like ephedrine..However, they scrapped the project...However, Ergopharm Amp is the best thermogenic product after ephedrine available...
Also vinpo is from periwrinkle extract..it's the main active in that increases blood flow to the brain...You need a script to purchase it it europe..However, many including myself get headaches from using it..
Also Princess it doesn't make you wired one bit..Maybe even sleepy if you dose to high..