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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2006, 10:14:53 PM »
LOL..........

I just watched the *live* moon landing video.

And I just can't get over how they defeated physics to have the Houston,TX/neil Armstrong conversation in real time with zero delay.

I just saw dozens of communications between men in orbit and the team on the ground.  ALWAYS a 1-2 second delay between transmissions.  And they're less than 100 miles apart (machine delay,etc).

Somehow, this delay is completely removed as Ground Control lands Apollo.  They talk in real time, describe what's happening, etc, with zero delay

I'm all for believing the landing is real - someone just tell me how they defeated what should have been at LEAST 3 seconds with machine time and 200,000 miles distance.  Anyone?

Your answer good sir:

 was reading about the supposed moon hoaxs (I'm not yet sure that they were faked) on your web site when I came across an excellent point in your arguments.  You said that during the videos of the lunar landings the astronauts replied instantly to Mission Control in Houston.  Yet light, radio waves, and all energies of the electromagnetic spectrum travel at roughly 186,000 miles per second, meaning the response time of the astronauts to comments made by Mission Control should have been a little over two seconds since the moon is over 200,000 miles from the Earth.  Excellent point!  I was stumped here for a minute, until I considered this:  we're only hearing the astronauts transmission.  Okay, that explanation obviously needs an explanation. 

First off, like you said, NASA didn't establish a direct link with televison stations for the broadcast.  Instead, the video we saw was actually filmed as it happened on the huge television screen in Mission Control, which accounts for the poor quality of the film.  What does this mean?  It means that the video and audio in the broadcasts of the Apollo missions were both time delayed.  You didn't hear people speaking inside Mission Control, you heard their transmission to the astronauts.  The audio we heard from Mission Control was actually several seconds old.  In other words, the landings transmitted back to Earth video and audio feed of their landing, audio including messages from Mission Control that the astronauts had just received.  To make this easier to picture, image it this way:  Mission Control transmits a message to Apollo 11 on the lunar surface saying Neil and Buzz can get out of the LM and walk around (with suits on, of course.)  This message travels just over a second to the moon, where Neil and Buzz receive it and reply "Finally!"   This message is transmitted all the way back to Earth, where it is received and broadcast on the huge monitor in Mission Control.  So you see, Mission Control spoke first and then the astronauts replied, only the audio transmitted
to us contained both messages with no time lapse in between.  Confused?  Don't worry, you'll get it soon.  I've looked over the arguments used by believers of a moon landing hoax and they are rather solid and rooted fairly well in logic, so I can safely assume you're all pretty smart guys, so this shouldn't be to hard for you to understand.  I would appreciate it if you would respond to this email with your thoughts on my explanation of this lunar quandary that is now solved (hopefully.)
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Edit: The US goverment is full of cokcsucking weasels and manned space flight is ridiculous, but we landed on the moon... several times.
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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2006, 10:17:06 PM »
we can debate the whole mitchellson and morle experiment all we want..

lets just for debate say  that light DOES slow down...


 THEN THE SIGNAL GOING BACK AND FORTH FROM EARTH WOULD HAVE BEEN SLOWER!!! AND HENSE MORE OF A TIME DELAY

good lord guys..i'm an ex coke addict drunk...

how come i can out think you? :-\
calm down u fucking paki I was simply asking u a question that was not relevant to the moon landing debate. And light does slow down in mediums with an index of refraction higher than 1....air measures up very close to 1 so there's really no decrease in speed.
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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2006, 10:18:43 PM »
we can debate the whole mitchellson and morle experiment all we want..

lets just for debate say  that light DOES slow down...


 THEN THE SIGNAL GOING BACK AND FORTH FROM EARTH WOULD HAVE BEEN SLOWER!!! AND HENSE MORE OF A TIME DELAY

good lord guys..i'm an ex coke addict drunk...

how come i can out think you? :-\

Hmm yeah.  So what you're saying is that you got very solidly on your highhorse, only to discover you were talking shit and I was right (by the way, I apologise for my "dumb" self -  only had to go through first year physics and second year electromagnetics at university), all the while continuously having to deal with the permeability of the medium.   

I mean ffs, its clearly pointed out on every link you've posted that refraction causes slowing.

right, but you're discussing a solid and the speed difference is so completely negligible it's not worth discussing. get into the difference between air and space and there's no perceivable difference. certainly not enough to slice a 3 second travel time into 1. it's like talking about the difference between sound as it travels through a clear day versus a foggy one. there's a technical difference, sure, but it's not going to be noticeable.

no opinion the moon matter, but just clarifying that.

Aye, I understand that - I was just trying to make sure that 240 couldn't really come back with rebuttal.  I mean more than anything the distance the light has to travel in air is negligable anyway.

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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2006, 10:18:57 PM »
cool. i'll check that out.  This is a fun debate!

How about the radiation?  Those astronauts are all 90 years old and are cancer-free.  They stood on the moon in aluminum suits which an x-ray tech wouldn't be caught dead in :)

Also - their suits hung limp - they didn't swell up as the PSI should have dictated.  ANy thoughts?

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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2006, 10:24:51 PM »
The saggy spacesuit issue: Very simple and pretty cool actually:

17) The spacesuits are multi layer suits. The inner layer was the one providing a contained atmosphere for the astronaut. The outer layer protected the inner layer. The buckels and such were for snugging it down after donning. From Wikipedia's article on Space Suits.

All space suit designs try to minimize or eliminate this(see question #18) problem. The most common solution is to form the suit out of multiple layers. The bladder layer is a rubbery, airtight layer much like a balloon. The restraint layer goes outside the bladder, and provides a specific shape for the suit. Since the bladder layer is larger than the restraint layer, the restraint takes all of the stresses caused by the pressure of the suit. Since the bladder is not under pressure, it will not "pop" like a balloon, even if punctured. The restraint layer is shaped in such a way that bending a joint will cause pockets of fabric, called gores, to open up on the outside of the joint. This makes up for the volume lost on the inside of the joint, and keeps the suit at a constant volume. However, once the gores are opened all the way, the joint cannot be bent anymore without a considerable amount of work
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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2006, 10:28:06 PM »
calm down u fucking paki I was simply asking u a question that was not relevant to the moon landing debate. And light does slow down in mediums with an index of refraction higher than 1....air measures up very close to 1 so there's really no decrease in speed.

and i'm teling you NO it DOES NOT...om me and i'll look up and forward you the research...
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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2006, 10:28:47 PM »


Also - their suits hung limp - they didn't swell up as the PSI should have dictated.  ANy thoughts?


cauase ther ws a vacuum inside the suit also! :D
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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2006, 10:30:27 PM »
fuck i cant find the article..it really ws compeling.. :-\
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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2006, 10:30:46 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light


speed of light in a vacuum = to speed of light elesewhere

THATS RELATIVITY YA DUMBCUNT

the speed of light is always measured the same...

i do understand that for some of yall..that failed physics 101...this is beyond you..

Light slows down when it passes through a material medium, you dipshit. The Michelson-Morley experiment was designed to measure an ether drift. You obviously don't know shit about physics.
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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2006, 10:33:07 PM »
Light slows down when it passes through a material medium, you dipshit. The Michelson-Morley experiment was designed to measure an ether drift. You obviously don't know shit about physics.

yes yes yes..but i read some string theory stuff either on space.com or somewhere that proved that wrong..maybe the cern website..

i'll find it...

anyhow in the meantime

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=113822.0


the point of this thread being..scroll down and watch all the clips..
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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2006, 10:33:17 PM »
and i'm teling you NO it DOES NOT...om me and i'll look up and forward you the research...



You can either believe Toxicavenger or Maxwell...

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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #38 on: December 21, 2006, 10:33:51 PM »
Here's an easy explanation for the mentally challenged (read: ToxicAvenger).

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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #39 on: December 21, 2006, 10:35:37 PM »
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-440410516309790842&q=nasa+ufo


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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2006, 10:37:43 PM »
yes yes yes..but i read some string theory stuff either on space.com or somewhere that proved that wrong..maybe the cern website..

i'll find it...

anyhow in the meantime

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=113822.0


the point of this thread being..scroll down and watch all the clips..

Haha, piss off.  You slung the insults around and told all and sundry that were dumb girls and now you deliver your proof :)

Awesome, referencing string theory (unproven) as basis for everybody but your good self being "dumb cunts.

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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #41 on: December 21, 2006, 10:39:40 PM »
Haha, piss off.  You slung the insults around and told all and sundry that were dumb girls and now you deliver your proof :)

Awesome, referencing string theory (unproven) as basis for everybody but your good self being "dumb cunts.


sorry bro...you actually BELIEVE that light travels thru space ( NO medium) and does NOT need a medium to travel..

and then changes speeds when it hits a medium...


riiight...




lol...dumbfuck... ::)
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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #42 on: December 21, 2006, 10:42:54 PM »
come on bro..
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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #43 on: December 21, 2006, 10:46:12 PM »
come on bro..

i simply do not believe that refraction has anything to do with change in the speed of light..

and i've read plenty about it...well some actually...first time ws eons ago in discover mag before it went all biology on me


meh..i'm going 2 bed...

either way...lets say since refraction causes a bend towards the normal when it goes from a less dense to a more dense medium and light slows down..

the singnal would take longer..


i'll talk to my physics buddy at catholic U tomorrow and post links to support me..k..someone send me a pm reminder..



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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #44 on: December 21, 2006, 10:50:33 PM »
i simply do not believe that refraction has anything to do with change in the speed of light..

and i've read plenty about it...well some actually...first time ws eons ago in discover mag before it went all biology on me


meh..i'm going 2 bed...

either way...lets say since refraction causes a bend towards the normal when it goes from a less dense to a more dense medium and light slows down..

the singnal would take longer..


i'll talk to my physics buddy at catholic U tomorrow and post links to support me..k..someone send me a pm reminder..





Look, rather than me bite back I'll just point this out.  All you have to do is disprove maxwell and you'll win.  I'm giving you a fantastic opportunity here.  I look forward to your work.  Good luck



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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2006, 10:53:32 PM »
I dont think anyone claimed that refraction itself causes the change in speed of light or vice versa but the two can be expressed, and hence related in the index of refraction formula (c/v). Honestly, I dont know much abt this myself, though I would investigate further.. I wish I woulda paid mroe attention the last month of phy 2 when we covered optics.
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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #46 on: December 21, 2006, 10:53:40 PM »
Look, rather than me bite back I'll just point this out.  All you have to do is disprove maxwell and you'll win.  I'm giving you a fantastic opportunity here.  I look forward to your work.  Good luck




sorry mate..i am not smart enough to do that...

how ever photons are maseless..and the article(s) i read about their speed not changing in a denser medium had to do what that...

anyhow...enough arguing..

go check out my thread on the general and watch the clips./.
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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #47 on: December 21, 2006, 10:57:04 PM »
My main man Maxwell. He ain't Sir Issac Newton, but he knows his numbers.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_equations

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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #48 on: December 21, 2006, 11:01:21 PM »
alright i guess i have to concede..i looked and fucking looked..

the article ws also about  how gravity varies over large distances..and speed of light remains the same..

cant fucking find it..owell..
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Re: When we landed on the moon Ground control and the austronauts talked
« Reply #49 on: December 21, 2006, 11:17:58 PM »
no one has proven that the moon exists.