got any suggested doses for a deca winstrol cycle?

[wall70]

 is it like the same guidelines as test, i know 500 mg is a good starter dose for test but with these two i have no idea

[Knowledge]

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[Rimbaud]

Are you talking about a winny & deca only cycle? If so not a good idea. Is this going to be your first cycle?

[wall70]

i've been on sust for 4 weeks and i've gained 30 pounds (real watery and fatty) wanna swithc over to deca winny for remaining 8weeks

[Arnold jr]

i've been on sust for 4 weeks and i've gained 30 pounds (real watery and fatty) wanna swithc over to deca winny for remaining 8weeks

If you're putting on a lot of fat then it's not the sust fault but rather your diet...sust can be run on either a bulking or cutting cycle.

As for the water you're holding, deca is going to bring a good deal of water retention along with it. Also, if you do this, expect a major shut down as well as a over-whelming desire to not train.

[Luv2Hurt]

i've been on sust for 4 weeks and i've gained 30 pounds (real watery and fatty) wanna swithc over to deca winny for remaining 8weeks

Are you using anything to control estrogen (E)?  Water and fat gain are estrogenic sides.  But as Arnold stated, diet is probally most likely to blame.

[Rimbaud]

If you're putting on a lot of fat then it's not the sust fault but rather your diet...sust can be run on either a bulking or cutting cycle.

As for the water you're holding, deca is going to bring a good deal of water retention along with it. Also, if you do this, expect a major shut down as well as a over-whelming desire to not train.

Agreed.

[SuperStu]

ITS YOUR DIET. my 1st cycle was sust and dbol. I ran the sust for 12 weeks. I ate lots of carbs, lifted heavy and cardio was only 2-3 times a week. gained lots looked good but bulked. THEN, I ran the exact same cycle but ate less carbs, just chicken and red meat(twice week) up'ed cardio by 2-3 sessions (4-5 /week) and presto nice and cut with strength to boot. i swear stick to the basics..no need to measure shit in "IUs" and start hittin insulin etc.  DIET is key.

suggestion: learn to eat/train before you "attempt" to even learn about gear let alone put it into your body.

[wall70]

thanks for the advice

[Rimbaud]

So what are you planning to do now? After reading the posts it appeared as if you were going to stop taking test after four weeks & then add Deca & Winny. I'd recommend just keeping the Test going for eight weeks & watching your diet closely. You also might want to throw some Adex in there (0.5-1mg EOD) - it'll reduce some of the water you're holding. Good luck.