The Jimmy Thompson Thread - I am

[Vince B]

Just because you are involved in bodybuilding or the gym business doesn't mean you are gay. That someone starts a bodybuilding organization is not proof they had ulterior motives re gay contacts. I, too, heard stuff about such things going on in LA and statements were made by a doctor MW who used to prescribe steroids to bodybuilders. He invited me to come to California and told me I could be a Mr Universe in 6 months. I wasn't interested in doing heavy drug protocols nor being obliged to a gay man. He lost interest in me when I invited him home to have dinner with me and my wife. According to him just about everyone in the bodybuilding scene in LA was into gay sex. I took what he said with a grain of salf because I assumed he was saying that and trying to make it sound okay. He mentioned Arnold and Joe to me so maybe he did have personal knowledge of those men. I have no idea. All I know is Arnold loved women and delighted in being with them.

I could care less about homosexuality because that means there are more women for us straight guys. Lesbians and I don't seem to get along, however. The attitudes towards gayness reeks of fear and loathing and that is sad to see in the 21st century. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean you are in danger and they will be harassing you. That is just the way they are. Are there some gay men involved in bodybuilding? Well, if gay men constitute part of our population we should expect some to frequent gyms and even enter contests. I imagine most gay guys would be afraid to come out of the closet with the prevailing attitudes on Getbig. What people do sexually shouldn't define them as individuals nor stamp them as okay or not.

[Cleanest Natural]

I salute anyone with the gumption to tell the truth about what he knows re bodybuilders. What is the test of truth of what Jimmy is telling us? If he had first hand information then that would suffice. I dare say most of his stuff is heresay but that doesn't mean what he said is all false.

If we want to see an insider organization then we need look no further than the old AAU Mr America committee. They used to have an athletic requirement plus an interview so the opinion of the judges was very important because personality was being assessed. Some guys missed out because they were black.That persisted until about 1970 when Chris Dickerson won.

I have written some of my stories about a few bodybuilders that I got to know. I am very careful to post only statements that I can prove or that I personally know happened. We do have to be careful when we post that we are not slandering anyone.

Some of the stuff Jimmy has posted is funny, indeed. I am not so sure those mentioned in his posts would agree!

you bsound frustrated because someone has the balls to put it out there for everyone to know how their beloved sport really laid it's gropunds...If it were for me i'd read jimmy thompson and gh15 all day long...i could this way get an ideea about how thing really are.

[gordiano]

you bsound frustrated because someone has the balls to put it out there for everyone to know how their beloved sport really laid it's gropunds...If it were for me i'd read jimmy thompson and gh15 all day long...i could this way get an ideea about how thing really are.

Exactly.

A lot of folks here feel threatened that the truth is slowly coming out (no pun intended).

[Vince B]

Jimmy means well, but he is just relating his opinions of stuff. That doesn't make what he says factual and it would be foolish to believe things just because someone posting them on the internet. Lots of people hold false beliefs or opinions and are not aware of it. Read the stuff, be amused but do not believe you are getting the raw truth. Jimmy is merely venting his version of what he believes went on. I think it is rather weak to make statements about others when there is no way those people will come here, nor should they, to defend themselves. The internet is not a place where you can decide what the truth is about people.

[dseiler]

Gentlemen I have not commented much over the last few days because a lot of posts were made which were off topic and became gay bashing. I have known plenty of gay collegues and have nothing against them.
I started this thread as a response to some comments made in Serge Nubret's thread.
Serge is there any truth in The Weiders being homosexual\bisexual rumor?

I heard that too. I am speaking about that in my second booK.

Serge

I then commented :

The Weiders were surrounded by various high profile homosexuals and would introduce them to up and coming bodybuilders who the homosexuals would then sponsor. This carried on up until at least the 1990's. One of them was a doctor who used to boast that he had put implants into Arnold's calves, pecs and biceps in the 70's and would tell the young bodybuilders that in return for gay activities they too could have implants like Arnolds. Of course the only place they received any implants was in their buttock region.
This story was raised recently on another board by former Mr Universe Joe Meeko who said the implants for sex thing had happened to him and Mike Quinn (not clear if either took him up on the offer) but the message was deleted. 

As far as the Weiders being homosexual is concerned, all I can say is we used to refer to them as Joe Weirdo and Ben Doon but then I was a NABBA man for 30 years and there were no puffs in the NABBA.[/i]

Serge came back with

I know a lot of things too, but that is thier problems. The only thing I did not like is when Weider told everybody that I did a porno film, when it was not, as everybody knows I did 25 movies, in one of them I acted to make love to a very good looking girl, no penetration, just acting, and I was surprise that Weider was so made, so it is only after that I new about all those homosexual activity. But in my autobiographic book I will tell an history about Weider in France going out with a transvesty, I did not want to tell that before, because I loved too much bodybuilding, but after what weider did to me and still doing I don't even care anymore.

Serge

And I decided to start this thread.

I have since received several messages including one from an Ironage member who sent me the following post from the 70's competitor Richard Baldwin.   See what Richard said on Ironage :

I was in California training at Gold's in the late 70s and found out a lot more than I've seen on any of the threads on this site.  I know things about some of the top bodybuilders that I won't share, including more than one Mr. Olympia, even though an NPC official has encouraged me to write a book. 

Rumors abound out there in L.A., some true, some not true.  I not only saw things and heard conversations that people didn't know I heard that were shocking, I was friends with Bill Reynolds (the first editor of Flex) who told me more than I wanted to know.   I got so disgusted, in fact, that I left L.A. after 3 1/2 months.  I just didn't feel comfortable in that scene.


OK I've given the matter some thought and later I will be posting the answers to some of the questions posed within this thread. I will also post some personal experiences including an interesting conversation I had with Oscar Heidenstam.

You'll find that most threads here deteriorate into some form of chest-beating, testosterone laced bashing and thrown completely off topic. It helps to ignore it and continue on.

[dr.chimps]

You'll find that most threads here deteriorate into some form of chest-beating, testosterone laced bashing and thrown completely off topic. It helps to ignore it and continue on.

You say that like it's a bad thing. 

[Army of One]

SO Jimmy you must have heard the Lee Priest Bisexual\gay4pay rumors

[nycbull]

I competed in and WON a couple international bb shows, national shows, and lived in venice, ca for the last ten years....I think its interesting when people claim they knew what reeves, or ken waller, or arnold did, because to be honest when it comes to steroid cycles, or past girlfriends, etc, my wife barely knows these things that I did....so how does this guy know anything intimate about the names hes dropping?  Ive spent time with weider, and with many pros....are there swingers, gays, etc.....?....yes, maybe a little more than other sports, but not the huge conspiracy this guy is claiming....hes promoting RUMORS.......

usually told by someone bitter and on the OUTSIDE.......

Great example is Ed Connors of Golds fame.....every perverted Ed story is told by some one who barely knows ed, or a  story they heard about Ed, but youll never find anyone who will first person say that YES>>>ED CAME ON TO ME!!! or worse....bottom line, Eds a great guy, a little eccentric maybe, but never someone to do anything improper....but youll have Bodybuilders who are bitter and jealous whom ed never helped (or he doesnt even know) who will say spiteful shit about him!  

The perverts and weirdos are out there, like they are everywhere, but it wont become an issue unless YOU want it to!  (whether you want to be Mr Olympia or Mr South East Iowa)

this guy smacks of someone whio is bitter, who had a lifetime of existing in the periphery of the sport, probably repeating the rumors HE heard from someone else 30 years ago...


SAD

good point dude.

[nycbull]

Funny how  "Jimmy" seems to think he has no power of the big strong evil homosexual.  Have you guys ever heard of standing up for yourselves. You mean to tell me all those big strong macho straight guys were all controlled by a gay guy?

Why is it "depraved homosexuals" but not depraved straight guys who will do anything for money or power?

Why is it that you guys see something so wrong in sexual favors in the bodybuilding world but when it comes to Hollywood or Las Vegas the centers of heterosexual depravity,  where jobs and sex are intertwined, you all have nothing to say.

This thread may have some true "rumours" to it, especially about Arnold hustling, But trying to paint a conspiracy of Jewish homosexuals trying to get Christians to submit to homosexual sex sounds like a paranoid Nazi rant.  Sounds like "Jimmy" lets fear and paranoia control his thoughts.

"Jimmy", I don't mind hearing your rumours, but why not put the blame for them squarely on both parties and stop trying to demonize gay men. You probably have some interesting things to say about rich powerful women as well? Are they all evil and out to destroy straight men?

[Yorkie T]

Funny how  "Jimmy" seems to think he has no power of the big strong evil homosexual.  Have you guys ever heard of standing up for yourselves. You mean to tell me all those big strong macho straight guys were all controlled by a gay guy?

Why is it "depraved homosexuals" but not depraved straight guys who will do anything for money or power?

Why is it that you guys see something so wrong in sexual favors in the bodybuilding world but when it comes to Hollywood or Las Vegas the centers of heterosexual depravity,  where jobs and sex are intertwined, you all have nothing to say.

This thread may have some true "rumours" to it, especially about Arnold hustling, But trying to paint a conspiracy of Jewish homosexuals trying to get Christians to submit to homosexual sex sounds like a paranoid Nazi rant.  Sounds like "Jimmy" lets fear and paranoia control his thoughts.

"Jimmy", I don't mind hearing your rumours, but why not put the blame for them squarely on both parties and stop trying to demonize gay men. You probably have some interesting things to say about rich powerful women as well? Are they all evil and out to destroy straight men?

People probably would have something to say when it comes to hollywaood and what goes on there but as this is a bodybuilding board thats whats getting spoke about.

Theres nothing wrong with being gay but building an entire federation around it and lying to people is whats wrong, the young guy who goes out to california to pursue his dream and finds out the only way to get by is doing sexual favours for people, thats whats wrong, and youve got to admit it is all a bit fucked up isnt it.

There will be bb's that dont participate in things like this but it seems obvious that they would find things much more easy if they are "yes men"

[Bluto]

Theres nothing wrong with being gay but building an entire federation around it and lying to people is whats wrong, the young guy who goes out to california to pursue his dream and finds out the only way to get by is doing sexual favours for people, thats whats wrong, and youve got to admit it is all a bit fucked up isnt it.

There will be bb's that dont participate in things like this but it seems obvious that they would find things much more easy if they are "yes men"

good thing this is just something you dreamed up then

[Yorkie T]

good thing this is just something you dreamed up then

Whats your problem? why is it whenever anything is mentioned in any thread on getbig about gay things happening in bodybuilding, you pop up and start crying and saying it cant be true, i know what i think the reason is and so probably does the majority of getbigs members apart from the ones with something to hide.

Notice how i said i dont think every single bodybuilder has to do this but i definitely think it would help them, are you really that delusional that you dont think this happens bluto?

[Bluto]

Whats your problem? why is it whenever anything is mentioned in any thread on getbig about gay things happening in bodybuilding, you pop up and start crying and saying it cant be true, i know what i think the reason is and so probably does the majority of getbigs members apart from the ones with something to hide.

Notice how i said i dont think every single bodybuilder has to do this but i definitely think it would help them, are you really that delusional that you dont think this happens bluto?

so within minutes you went from "building an entire federation around it" and "young guy who goes out to california to pursue his dream and finds out the only way to get by is doing sexual favours for people" to "it happens" ?

why dont you start to name how many ifbb pros you think performed sexual favors for this NAMED judges and people of the ifbb (that you previously claimed dont know shit about bodybuilding and dont train themselves and are gay, when the truth is a lot of them have competed, are personal trainers, some are women etc.)

[jonno gb]

Jimmy-how did you feel about competing with a lifetime natural organisation-the ANB(now NPA) when you have admitted previous drug use.Do you feel that many natural competitors were former/current drug users as the testing was possibly not as strict as it is today? Care to name and shame?

[NJ_Slinky]

Jimmy,

I laugh every time people try to cover up the industry.  God forbid somebody exposes the truth about LA queens sitting around circle jerking whilst the newest pro-builder poses naked.  Funny how people rarely ever put it all together (money for gear, this guy for contract, how does he afford not to work, etc...).

If I know the mods won't delete threads (deleted my last industry post), I'll give the inside scoop on East Coast muscle worship.

farm boy - yiddish

[Yorkie T]

so within minutes you went from "building an entire federation around it" and "young guy who goes out to california to pursue his dream and finds out the only way to get by is doing sexual favours for people" to "it happens" ?

why dont you start to name how many ifbb pros you think performed sexual favors for this NAMED judges and people of the ifbb (that you previously claimed dont know shit about bodybuilding and dont train themselves and are gay, when the truth is a lot of them have competed, are personal trainers, some are women etc.)

Where are the inconsistencies in my posts? why does me saying i think something happens contradict my previous post saying what i believe to happen? How can i name people? i live in england and ive got no interest at all in competitive bodybuilding, especially not the npc and ifbb, the evidence is so overwhelming and has been posted so much by lots of different people, serge nubret being one of them, that the truth is blatantly staring you in the face, but you choose not to accept it.

You must be one of those crazy bodybuilding fans that idolizes bodybuilders that much you cant comprehend any of your heroes doing these sorts of things, you sgould find some other people to worship because you come across as being a really sad individual and i actually feel sorry for you.

[CC3]

You must be one of those crazy bodybuilding fans that idolizes bodybuilders that much you cant comprehend any of your heroes doing these sorts of things, you sgould find some other people to worship because you come across as being a really sad individual and i actually feel sorry for you.

This is the same person who thinks there's no way people with "solid backgrounds" such as strongmen, powerlifters, former competitors, and personal trainers could be gay...

[NJ_Slinky]

Funny how  "Jimmy" seems to think he has no power of the big strong evil homosexual.  Have you guys ever heard of standing up for yourselves. You mean to tell me all those big strong macho straight guys were all controlled by a gay guy?

Why is it "depraved homosexuals" but not depraved straight guys who will do anything for money or power?

Why is it that you guys see something so wrong in sexual favors in the bodybuilding world but when it comes to Hollywood or Las Vegas the centers of heterosexual depravity,  where jobs and sex are intertwined, you all have nothing to say.

This thread may have some true "rumours" to it, especially about Arnold hustling, But trying to paint a conspiracy of Jewish homosexuals trying to get Christians to submit to homosexual sex sounds like a paranoid Nazi rant.  Sounds like "Jimmy" lets fear and paranoia control his thoughts.

"Jimmy", I don't mind hearing your rumours, but why not put the blame for them squarely on both parties and stop trying to demonize gay men. You probably have some interesting things to say about rich powerful women as well? Are they all evil and out to destroy straight men?

It's simple,

The homosexuals in the muscle industry dangle (carrots) contracts, money, advancement from the tips of their cocks knowing one star struck all American boy will shamefully grab it.  Are you going to honestly post here that the homosexual under-current doesn't have control?  Both parties willingly do what they do, but we all know most new pro's/top am's can't afford contest prep and lifestyle.  We also know how they are baited.

gay for pay - race to place

[Bluto]

Where are the inconsistencies in my posts? why does me saying i think something happens contradict my previous post saying what i believe to happen? How can i name people? i live in england and ive got no interest at all in competitive bodybuilding, especially not the npc and ifbb, the evidence is so overwhelming and has been posted so much by lots of different people, serge nubret being one of them, that the truth is blatantly staring you in the face, but you choose not to accept it.

You must be one of those crazy bodybuilding fans that idolizes bodybuilders that much you cant comprehend any of your heroes doing these sorts of things, you sgould find some other people to worship because you come across as being a really sad individual and i actually feel sorry for you.

So where's this overwhelming evidence you keep talking about? I checked the list of people in the IFBB that you claim never work out etc, it turned out you were bullshitting and just made that up.

[Yorkie T]

This is the same person who thinks there's no way people with "solid backgrounds" such as strongmen, powerlifters, former competitors, and personal trainers could be gay...

I used to think bluto could be funny a while ago, didnt think he was that bad as danielson whos a good dude always said he was ok, but he simply can never accept if hes wrong about anything and it seems to be a serious problem for him, it may be the reason he spends so much time on here instead of having a real social life.

The thing i dont think he realise is though is that people make up there own minds and as much as he says something the majority of people will realise what shit hes talking.

[Chick]

Jimmy,

I laugh every time people try to cover up the industry.  God forbid somebody exposes the truth about LA queens sitting around circle jerking whilst the newest pro-builder poses naked.  Funny how people rarely ever put it all together (money for gear, this guy for contract, how does he afford not to work, etc...).

If I know the mods won't delete threads (deleted my last industry post), I'll give the inside scoop on East Coast muscle worship.

farm boy - yiddish

Who's trying to "cover anything up"?

Who really cares? Are there gay people in BB? Sure are. Have some guys resorted to "gay for pay" and all the other bullshit we hear about? I'm sure they have.

Bottom line is, there are plenty of us who have never done anything remotely involved in Gay for pay...and have worked plenty hard to get to the pro level working for a living and being able to hold ourselves with respect and dignity.

I know this type of stuff goes on...but it is the exception, not the rule...or the norm.

[Bluto]

This is the same person who thinks there's no way people with "solid backgrounds" such as strongmen, powerlifters, former competitors, and personal trainers could be gay...

Some of the people Jimmy mention in this thread and claims being shady arranged and/or participated in powerlifting, strongmen etc as well 

Wonder how he gonna explain that. There's no oiled up half naked people in those shows.
Next he's gonna claim people who manage soccer teams is gay too.

[Yorkie T]

So where's this overwhelming evidence you keep talking about? I checked the list of people in the IFBB that you claim never work out etc, it turned out you were bullshitting and just made that up.

The evidence is in jimmys posts, serge nubrets posts, many many ironagers and people around the industry who post on various websites the type of things that went on, jeez dont you think its a little odd that a man started an empire based around oiled up men in thongs in the 1940's, it seems obvious (to me anyway) that no one would do something like that especially in that era unless they were seriously intoi these oiled up men.

Im not the one making the claims, im the one who reds both sides of the story makes up my own mind and posts it on a message board, why do you feel so threatened by this thread?

[Yorkie T]

Who's trying to "cover anything up"?

Who really cares? Are there gay people in BB? Sure are. Have some guys resorted to "gay for pay" and all the other bullshit we hear about? I'm sure they have.

Bottom line is, there are plenty of us who have never done anything remotely involved in Gay for pay...and have worked plenty hard to get to the pro level working for a living and being able to hold ourselves with respect and dignity.

I know this type of stuff goes on...but it is the exception, not the rule...or the norm.

No offence bob but you are bound to say that as you work for the people being accused here, im making sure i say i dont think that all bb's are doing this so it doesnt come across that i think every single pro is involved in gay activities. Ive got a few questions though if youve got time to answer them and feel comfartable doing so.

Would it benefit an individual bb in his career if he did favours for certain people in power?

Have you heard all the rumours about joe weider and his "preferences" and do you think theres any truth in them.

[NJ_Slinky]

Who's trying to "cover anything up"?

Who really cares? Are there gay people in BB? Sure are. Have some guys resorted to "gay for pay" and all the other bullshit we hear about? I'm sure they have.

Bottom line is, there are plenty of us who have never done anything remotely involved in Gay for pay...and have worked plenty hard to get to the pro level working for a living and being able to hold ourselves with respect and dignity.

I know this type of stuff goes on...but it is the exception, not the rule...or the norm.

Respect and dignity, lol.  I suppose selling gear and other drugs to maintain the income needed to feed the growth is a respectful way of conduct.  Chick, don't make me laugh by pretending to all these guys on this board that the industry is straight up, lol.  We can go into a variety of truths:

- gay for pay.
- soft gay for scripts and supplies
- deal to grow
- gay & deal to enable those to place/exposure.  In turn, whore themselves out with bullshit supplement endorsements (99.999%) to half-truth the public into buying.
- Industry "favors" for exposure

The industry is just a grown man's muscle pageant decided on subjective criteria.  Nothing more, nothing less.

pro tan - pro man