Author Topic: Next Person to the PDI (Read 37446 times)

columbusdude82 · « **Reply #200 on:** January 11, 2007, 11:38:23 AM »

Quote from: Colossus_1986 on January 11, 2007, 11:35:47 AM

Rockel. hands down.
I don't think king ever placed ahead of R-Rockel. (nevertheless competed at same show)

Both you and Jr Yates make good points, but they apply to different guys. You cannot deny that many guys have gone unappreciated in the IFBB and were overtaken by worse bbers.

I am not talking about people like Sean Allen who can't win a show in the NPC, mind you...

Colossus_1986 · « **Reply #201 on:** January 11, 2007, 11:40:58 AM »

Quote from: columbusdude82 on January 11, 2007, 11:38:23 AM

Both you and Jr Yates make good points, but they apply to different guys. You cannot deny that many guys have gone unappreciated in the IFBB and were overtaken by worse bbers.

I am not talking about people like Sean Allen who can't win a show in the NPC, mind you...

true. but i think one thing we can all agree on is that there are underestimated pros( mainly polictics) but there are a set guideline on who they can possibly beat, given their best size/conditioning. Every pro can be applied to the rule "should be able to beat this guy" or "will not beat this guy"

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #202 on:** January 11, 2007, 11:48:21 AM »

WHY WOULD IFBB PROS KEEP COMPETING IN THE IFBB YEAR AFTER YEAR AND HAVE NEVER MADE A DOLLAR? WOULD YOU GO TO WORK FOR 5-6 YEARS AND NEVER GET PAID?...NO...SO WHY KEEP GOING BACK TO IFBB IF YOU AREN'T GETTING A FAIR GO? THERE ARE PLENTY OF GREAT BODIES ON STAGE AT IFBB SHOWS AND NEVER GET LOOKED AT OR A FAIR CALLOUT...YET THEY SPEND MONEY ON....FLIGHTS...HOTELS.. .SUPPS..EVERYTHING AND NEVER GET NOTHING BACK....I JUST DON'T GET IT.IF THE IFBB HAS NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT THEN LET IT'S ATHLETES COMPETE WHEREVER...PDI...NABBA.. .WHO DOSE IT HURT? NO BODY IT JUST GIVES THE BODYBUILDERS A CHANCE TO MAKE A LIVING AT WHAT THEY LOVE TO DO.....CAUSE LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE IF THE GUYS STOOD TOGETHER WITHOUT THE ATHLETE AND SPONOSRS THE IFBB IS NOTHING BUT 4 LETTERS.......SO LET THE GUYS COMPETE TO MAKE MONEY FOR GODS SAKE.....AND THE GUYS WHO ARE MAKING THE MONEY ALSO NEED TO TAKE A STAND FOR THIER FELLOW COMPETITIOR WHO ISNT....GOING THROUGH THE RIGHT CHANNELS DON'T ALWAYS WORK BOB..SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO BE DRASTIC...TOP 6 AT THE OLYMPIA SAY HEY UNLESS THE GUYS FROM 10TH DOWN GET 10 THOUSAND (THIS IS THE O AFTER ALL) WE WILL NOT GO ONSTAGE AND ALL THE GUYS STRIKE BEFORE THE O.WHAT WILL THEY DO CANCELL SHOW? HELL NO...THE GUYS SHOULD STICK TOGETHER AND REFUSE TO GO ON...WILL THEY SUSPEND THEM? HELL NO WHAT SHOWS WOULD THEY HAVE NEXT YEAR IF THEY SUSPENDED THE TOP GUYS IN THE O.....SEE YOU GUYS HAVE ALL THE POWER TRY USING IT BE A LEADER AND TAKE A STEP FORWARD FOR ONCE.....YOU WANT CHANGE THEN MAKE IT HAPPEN.....

columbusdude82 · « **Reply #203 on:** January 11, 2007, 11:49:54 AM »

Quote from: Lee_a_priest on January 11, 2007, 11:48:21 AM

WHY WOULD IFBB PROS KEEP COMPETING IN THE IFBB YEAR AFTER YEAR AND HAVE NEVER MADE A DOLLAR? WOULD YOU GO TO WORK FOR 5-6 YEARS AND NEVER GET PAID?...NO...SO WHY KEEP GOING BACK TO IFBB IF YOU AREN'T GETTING A FAIR GO? THERE ARE PLENTY OF GREAT BODIES ON STAGE AT IFBB SHOWS AND NEVER GET LOOKED AT OR A FAIR CALLOUT...YET THEY SPEND MONEY ON....FLIGHTS...HOTELS.. .SUPPS..EVERYTHING AND NEVER GET NOTHING BACK....I JUST DON'T GET IT.IF THE IFBB HAS NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT THEN LET IT'S ATHLETES COMPETE WHEREVER...PDI...NABBA.. .WHO DOSE IT HURT? NO BODY IT JUST GIVES THE BODYBUILDERS A CHANCE TO MAKE A LIVING AT WHAT THEY LOVE TO DO.....CAUSE LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE IF THE GUYS STOOD TOGETHER WITHOUT THE ATHLETE AND SPONOSRS THE IFBB IS NOTHING BUT 4 LETTERS.......SO LET THE GUYS COMPETE TO MAKE MONEY FOR GODS SAKE.....AND THE GUYS WHO ARE MAKING THE MONEY ALSO NEED TO TAKE A STAND FOR THIER FELLOW COMPETITIOR WHO ISNT....GOING THROUGH THE RIGHT CHANNELS DON'T ALWAYS WORK BOB..SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO BE DRASTIC...TOP 6 AT THE OLYMPIA SAY HEY UNLESS THE GUYS FROM 10TH DOWN GET 10 THOUSAND (THIS IS THE O AFTER ALL) WE WILL NOT GO ONSTAGE AND ALL THE GUYS STRIKE BEFORE THE O.WHAT WILL THEY DO CANCELL SHOW? HELL NO...THE GUYS SHOULD STICK TOGETHER AND REFUSE TO GO ON...WILL THEY SUSPEND THEM? HELL NO WHAT SHOWS WOULD THEY HAVE NEXT YEAR IF THEY SUSPENDED THE TOP GUYS IN THE O.....SEE YOU GUYS HAVE ALL THE POWER TRY USING IT BE A LEADER AND TAKE A STEP FORWARD FOR ONCE.....YOU WANT CHANGE THEN MAKE IT HAPPEN.....

Lee, I've been a fan of yours since I was 16 but please, when you choose to meltdown in caps, at least split it up into paragraphs to make it legible!

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #204 on:** January 11, 2007, 11:52:26 AM »

I HAVE FAITH YOU CAN WORK IT OUT...IT IS NO MELT DOWN JUST THE TRUTH

Chick · « **Reply #205 on:** January 11, 2007, 11:53:26 AM »

I'm not going to rehash this for the 100th time, Lee...you're calling for all the IFBB pro's to "band together" and "take a stance"....blah, blah.....

When YOU had a chance to do just that...you didn't...in your own words "you were busy looking out for yourself and the show you were competing in..."

NOW, after you exile yourself from the IFBB, you grow some nuts and want everyone else to do what you wouldn't do...take a stand.

They're (the IFBB pro's) are doing the same thing you did...looking out for themselves.

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #206 on:** January 11, 2007, 11:57:52 AM »

BOB I WAS SAYING THIS LONG BEFORE YOU CALLED YOUR MEETING...GO BACK AND LOOK AT OLD ISSUES OF MAGAZINES...I THINK MM 94 HAS ME ON THE COVER SAYING SUSPENDED......AND YOU WANT TO DO IT COME TALK ABOUT IT PUT IT IN WRITTING AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS ....SCREW THAT GUYS NEED TO JUST DO IT.....THE IFBB PLAN SHOWS THEN CANCELL SO THE GUYS SHOULD DO THE SAME....

AND I KNEW YOUR MEETING BACK THEN WOULD DO NOTHING JUST LIKE ALL YOUR MEETINGS NOW..PLEASE BOB THEY ARE A WAIST OF TIME....TILL THE GUYS TAKE DRASTIC MEASURES THE IFBB WILL JUST KEEP ON SCREWING THEM OVER

Chick · « **Reply #207 on:** January 11, 2007, 12:06:46 PM »

Quote from: Lee_a_priest on January 11, 2007, 11:57:52 AM

BOB I WAS SAYING THIS LONG BEFORE YOU CALLED YOUR MEETING...GO BACK AND LOOK AT OLD ISSUES OF MAGAZINES...I THINK MM 94 HAS ME ON THE COVER SAYING SUSPENDED......AND YOU WANT TO DO IT COME TALK ABOUT IT PUT IT IN WRITTING AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS ....SCREW THAT GUYS NEED TO JUST DO IT.....THE IFBB PLAN SHOWS THEN CANCELL SO THE GUYS SHOULD DO THE SAME....

AND I KNEW YOUR MEETING BACK THEN WOULD DO NOTHING JUST LIKE ALL YOUR MEETINGS NOW..PLEASE BOB THEY ARE A WAIST OF TIME....TILL THE GUYS TAKE DRASTIC MEASURES THE IFBB WILL JUST KEEP ON SCREWING THEM OVER

Yeah...talking about it did nothing. I actully took the leader role and decided to do something about it. You not showing up only enforced what your saying NOW...you decided to be part of the PROBLEM, not part of the SOLUTION.

Right now, all the other pro's are saying the same thing you did...I know Lee's plan will result in nothing...fuck him, he's on his own...just looking out for themselves as you were.

Talking tough NOW is lame...you showed your true colors when it could have made a difference.

Game over.

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #208 on:** January 11, 2007, 12:16:45 PM »

Quote from: Chick on January 11, 2007, 12:06:46 PM

Yeah...talking about it did nothing. I actully took the leader role and decided to do something about it. You not showing up only enforced what your saying NOW...you decided to be part of the PROBLEM, not part of the SOLUTION.

Right now, all the other pro's are saying the same thing you did...I know Lee's plan will result in nothing...f**k him, he's on his own...just looking out for themselves as you were.

Talking tough NOW is lame...you showed your true colors when it could have made a difference.

Game over.

NO CHICK GAME ON NO ONE CAME TO YOUR MEETING...I CAME TO THE OTHER ONES SO PLEASE DONT GIVE ME THAT.....I HAVE TALKED THIS TALK EVER SINCE I CAME INTO THE IFBB SO PLEASE I HAVE CHANGED NOTHING YOU AND THE REST ARE THE ONES WHO PLAY TURN COAT...SO LONG BENEDICT ARNOLD

onlyme · « **Reply #209 on:** January 11, 2007, 12:48:01 PM »

What the guys who constantly place lower than 5th should do is just not show up to the shows. Believe me that would change the minds of the top 5 guys in regards to having the lower guys make money. Cause if those lower guys don't show up either do allot of fans and sponsors. How many people are going to support a show with 5 competitor in it and all the placings already known. What a show with 5 people. Won't last long

Insider Z · « **Reply #210 on:** January 11, 2007, 01:09:00 PM »

Quote from: Chick on January 11, 2007, 08:34:23 AM

Who gives a f**k?

Call it whatever you want...it doesn't change the connotation as to what it is to the IFBB, and how it relates to the athletes and their contractual obligation.

I don't know who gives what, but when it comes down to set rules, that a group of people is asked to follow, you should pay more attention to the words you use.
You continually show a very poor aknowledge of free market rules, international laws and a substantial lack of any base of what in western world is called freedom of enterprise.
You just confirm the stereotype that considers a bodybuilding a musclehead.

RHINO290 · « **Reply #211 on:** January 11, 2007, 01:11:19 PM »

Quote from: Chick on January 11, 2007, 11:53:26 AM

I'm not going to rehash this for the 100th time, Lee...you're calling for all the IFBB pro's to "band together" and "take a stance"....blah, blah.....

When YOU had a chance to do just that...you didn't...in your own words "you were busy looking out for yourself and the show you were competing in..."

NOW, after you exile yourself from the IFBB, you grow some nuts and want everyone else to do what you wouldn't do...take a stand.

They're (the IFBB pro's) are doing the same thing you did...looking out for themselves.

As usuall the point is missed. THE FACT THAT LEE COMPETED IN BOTH PDI SHOWS, AND DID NOT FOLD UNDER THE PRESSURE IS point that lee has stood up.

Colossus_1986 · « **Reply #212 on:** January 11, 2007, 01:11:59 PM »

Quote from: Insider Z on January 11, 2007, 01:09:00 PM

I don't know who gives what but when it comes down to set rules that a group of people is asked to follow you should pay more attention to the word you use.
You continually show a very poor aknowledge of free market rules, international laws and a substantial lack of any base of what in western world is called freedom of enterprise.
You just confirm the stereotype that considers a bodybuilding a musclehead.

wow you talk real fancy and stuff!
the words sure are pretty.

BRUCE · « **Reply #213 on:** January 11, 2007, 01:47:51 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on January 11, 2007, 12:48:01 PM

What the guys who constantly place lower than 5th should do is just not show up to the shows. Believe me that would change the minds of the top 5 guys in regards to having the lower guys make money. Cause if those lower guys don't show up either do allot of fans and sponsors. How many people are going to support a show with 5 competitor in it and all the placings already known. What a show with 5 people. Won't last long

This, after your little rant about how the PDI isn't trying to compete with the IFBB

. Now you're promoting sabotage. But tell me Keith, do you think competitors in the PDI should do the same thing if they also consistently place outside the top 5? Is Rhino going on strike??

RHINO290 · « **Reply #214 on:** January 11, 2007, 01:56:42 PM »

Quote from: BRUCE on January 11, 2007, 01:47:51 PM

This, after your little rant about how the PDI isn't trying to compete with the IFBB . Now you're promoting sabotage. But tell me Keith, do you think competitors in the PDI should do the same thing if they also consistently place outside the top 5? Is Rhino going on strike??

Christ....One show. How bout waiting for a second?

Although I am looking for top 10.

RHINO290 · « **Reply #215 on:** January 11, 2007, 01:58:12 PM »

Quote from: BRUCE on January 11, 2007, 01:47:51 PM

This, after your little rant about how the PDI isn't trying to compete with the IFBB . Now you're promoting sabotage. But tell me Keith, do you think competitors in the PDI should do the same thing if they also consistently place outside the top 5? Is Rhino going on strike??

Be nice to the old man......

Big N · « **Reply #216 on:** January 11, 2007, 02:01:05 PM »

Quote from: RHINO290 on January 11, 2007, 01:58:12 PM

Be nice to the old man......

Rhino what's up bro how's your lifting? I know its hard to concentrate with all the hate on the PDI but its funny though you gotta agree on that lol

onlyme · « **Reply #217 on:** January 11, 2007, 02:02:27 PM »

Quote from: BRUCE on January 11, 2007, 01:47:51 PM

This, after your little rant about how the PDI isn't trying to compete with the IFBB . Now you're promoting sabotage. But tell me Keith, do you think competitors in the PDI should do the same thing if they also consistently place outside the top 5? Is Rhino going on strike??

Yes everyone should strike.

But, it appears EVERY competitor in the PDI is happy. After the NOC I read several times where backstage it was fun everyone was talking to each other and above all Lee (who is an idol to them all) talked to all of them and made them feel at ease. While backstage at the Olympia or other IFBB shows the guys hardly talk and give each other stink eye.

BRUCE · « **Reply #218 on:** January 11, 2007, 02:06:47 PM »

Quote from: RHINO290 on January 11, 2007, 01:56:42 PM

Christ....One show. How bout waiting for a second?

Although I am looking for top 10.

Haha, okay sorry Rhino I didn't mean to single you out, was just using you as an example. Good luck for your next show.

Chick · « **Reply #219 on:** January 11, 2007, 02:59:36 PM »

My question is this, Lee...

Are you going to set up a union for the PDI pro's...?

Instead of trying to get guys that have no interest in your org., why arent you taking care of the guy's that ARE in it?

Why arent you calling for a strike when you had guys that didn't make a dime in the last 2 shows?

onlyme · « **Reply #220 on:** January 11, 2007, 03:16:49 PM »

Quote from: Chick on January 11, 2007, 02:59:36 PM

My question is this, Lee...

Are you going to set up a union for the PDI pro's...?

Instead of trying to get guys that have no interest in your org., why arent you taking care of the guy's that ARE in it?

Why arent you calling for a strike when you had guys that didn't make a dime in the last 2 shows?

Why would he do that. You can compete in the PDI and IFBB. You can do what you want to make money. The IFBB restricts you from doing this. The PDI does NOT put a stranglehold on thier members like the IFBB

Rampage · « **Reply #221 on:** January 11, 2007, 03:23:41 PM »

Quote from: Chick on January 11, 2007, 02:59:36 PM

My question is this, Lee...

Are you going to set up a union for the PDI pro's...?

Instead of trying to get guys that have no interest in your org., why arent you taking care of the guy's that ARE in it?

Why arent you calling for a strike when you had guys that didn't make a dime in the last 2 shows?

Chick laying down the law brother !!

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #222 on:** January 11, 2007, 03:26:05 PM »

Quote from: Chick on January 11, 2007, 02:59:36 PM

My question is this, Lee...

Are you going to set up a union for the PDI pro's...?

Instead of trying to get guys that have no interest in your org., why arent you taking care of the guy's that ARE in it?

Why arent you calling for a strike when you had guys that didn't make a dime in the last 2 shows?

CAUSE NO ONE IS COMPLAINING YET...BUT YES CHICK IF THINGS GO WRONG I WILL TALK TO THE GUYS AND YES WE WOULD STRIKE........BUT SO FAR NO PROBLEM WE CAN COMPETE ANYWHERE EXCEPT IFBB...WE CAN DO SEMINARS,GUEST POSINGS ANYWHERE EXCEPT IFBB SO I THINK THE IFBB IS THE ONES WITH THE PROBLEM NOW GO FIX IT BOB.......HOPE THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION

Chick · « **Reply #223 on:** January 11, 2007, 03:44:23 PM »

Why wait till there is a problem?...that's where the IFBB pro's went wrong..had they started one back in the 70's when they had a handful of pro's, we would be miles ahead of where we are today.

If you start with one, you insure there wont be a problem.

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #224 on:** January 11, 2007, 03:54:36 PM »

Quote from: Chick on January 11, 2007, 03:44:23 PM

Why wait till there is a problem?...that's where the IFBB pro's went wrong..had they started one back in the 70's when they had a handful of pro's, we would be miles ahead of where we are today.

If you start with one, you insure there wont be a problem.

GOOD POINT I WILL LOOK INTO IT....WELL YOU WERE COMPETING IN THE 70 WHY DIDNT YOU DO SOMETHING?

AND ONE WAS ALMOST STARTED TO GOOD OLD JOE STEPPED IN AND SQAUSHED THAT....SEE SAME SHIT STILL GOING ON NOW.....YES I GOT THE WHOLE STORY FROM ARNOLD AND THE GUYS AT WORLD GYM...