Author Topic: Trevor Smith: Beyond Failure Training and the stories of his life  (Read 25704 times)

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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2007, 08:03:08 AM »
TREVEOR speaks alot in his writings about working with Robby Robinson and there are pics of robby taken by trevor while robby was getting ready for one of the masters olympia's.  So, he did work with a "world class" athelete, he also worked alot with Ian Harrison, Demayo and Matt Duval if I remember correctly, I might be wrong about harrison but i know for a fact he worked wiht Duval and Demayo...in fact I heard some pretty shitty stuff about Demayo from his time working with Trevor.
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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2007, 08:12:03 AM »
TREVEOR speaks alot in his writings about working with Robby Robinson and there are pics of robby taken by trevor while robby was getting ready for one of the masters olympia's.  So, he did work with a "world class" athelete, he also worked alot with Ian Harrison, Demayo and Matt Duval if I remember correctly, I might be wrong about harrison but i know for a fact he worked wiht Duval and Demayo...in fact I heard some pretty shitty stuff about Demayo from his time working with Trevor.

And if we give him the benefit of the doubt, and he did work with Robinson, Demayo, Duvall......what fantastic results they acheived!   

Oh, and by the way, I have informal pictures of myself in the gym and outside the gym with everyone from Arnold on down....it doesnt mean I "train" them.

As a side note, most of these gurus,,,,chad, hany, glass, and on and on....trainer is code name for "DEALER"...the pros attitude is "as long as the supply is uninterrupted, these guys can say what they want"

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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2007, 08:14:11 AM »
And if we give him the benefit of the doubt, and he did work with Robinson, Demayo, Duvall......what fantastic results they acheived!   

Oh, and by the way, I have informal pictures of myself in the gym and outside the gym with everyone from Arnold on down....it doesnt mean I "train" them.

As a side note, most of these gurus,,,,chad, hany, glass, and on and on....trainer is code name for "DEALER"...the pros attitude is "as long as the supply is uninterrupted, these guys can say what they want"

they were pics of Robbie right before the masters o and trevor used them to show how he got Robby into shape.  duvall did win the USA awhile after working with trevor.  I heard some wierd stuff about demayo so I don't know how he looked....
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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2007, 08:24:41 AM »
any pics of Trevor

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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2007, 08:31:13 AM »
TREVEOR speaks alot in his writings about working with Robby Robinson and there are pics of robby taken by trevor while robby was getting ready for one of the masters olympia's.  So, he did work with a "world class" athelete, he also worked alot with Ian Harrison, Demayo and Matt Duval if I remember correctly, I might be wrong about harrison but i know for a fact he worked wiht Duval and Demayo...in fact I heard some pretty shitty stuff about Demayo from his time working with Trevor.
Robbie badmouthed Trevor BAD afterwards. Robbie said Trevor tried to make him take insane drug dosages such as 100 dianabols per day.

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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2007, 08:46:24 AM »
pardon me but isn't "beyond failure" an oxymoron?
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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2007, 08:50:36 AM »
any pics of Trevor

There was a picture of him on here a while ago of him shaling hands with ronnie and he is bigger than ronnie but you can tell it is just all fat (or mostly fat, atleast 35% IMO)

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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2007, 09:10:10 AM »
There are not many pics of him out there. I wonder why. Maybe he was waiting to make some kind of debut or something. Too bad. He was enormous.

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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2007, 10:19:02 AM »
There are pics of him on the link I put up in my earlier posts. He also worked with Jay cutler for a short time. Him and Ian Harrison were good friends and trained similar. Both cycled there AAS 6weeks on, 3-4 weeks off and then repeat. I also beleive this is the way Dorian did it as well. As far as Robby Robinson is concerned, he did work with him. That being said I wouldn't really listen to anything he said since he seems pretty bitter in his old age. Are far as Trevors bf% goes, it depends on when you seen him. From pictures you can tell it fluctuated. BFT can be done without a partner and the writeup he did of it is very basic.The amount of forced reps should only be 2-4. He wrote later that the reason why he said 6-8 was to make up for bad spotters and people who didnt train to failure correctly. Also his BFT DVD will be released in the future. I don't nkow when, I just know it will be released. Hope that clears up some stuff. Anymore questions I will do my best to answer.

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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2007, 10:46:29 AM »
I hung out with Trevor a few times. He seemed like an okay guy but he was a total bullshitter. First of all, he was nowhere near 400 lbs. He looked to be closer to 300. Second, his supplements, like all others, were the same garbage manufactured in the same 3 factories that produce the same crap for every other supp company -- if protein powder dissolves well in water it's just cheap and diluted product. Third, despite never having competed, he acted like he could put 20lbs of muscle on Olympia-level competitors in 6 weeks if they would just trust him. Fourth, there's no record of him working with any world class athletes in any sport. Fifth, he was carrying about 30%BF. Sixth, we're talking about a grossly overweight drug abuser who dropped dead before he reached 40 -- we're supposed to believe he was some kind of nutritional genius who didn't have the knowledge or discipline to lower his drug use or weight to healthy levels? His website was funny but was so poorly designed and conceived that it appeared they were conducting business out of a cardboard box.

He was also working with DeMayo on a comeback shortly before Paul's demise.

Other than that, he was a cool cat.

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I met him and hung out with a few times as well and actually knew a few people that knew his real deal. Everything you said is exactly what i was told and then some. Shit he was perc'd/oc'd out of his mind at one arnold classic, along with demayo. He was large but also VERY fat.  HE actually reminds me of dante LOL

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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2007, 11:04:36 AM »
He died of a heart attack. Don't beleive all those other rumors.
Did you know him personally? Several people who knew him have intimated it was suicide. They said he was extremely depressed before his death.

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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2007, 11:37:15 AM »
there is no way he was 35%  bf....he was bloated like a toad but not THAT fat.  the guy was an extremely strong guy adding weight to every machine so he had alot of muscle. i give credit where it is do and i say the dude was big..no matter what you thought about him as a person.

he even had some machines custom made for him if i remember right.
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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2007, 11:40:52 AM »
There are pics of him on the link I put up in my earlier posts. He also worked with Jay cutler for a short time. Him and Ian Harrison were good friends and trained similar. Both cycled there AAS 6weeks on, 3-4 weeks off and then repeat. I also beleive this is the way Dorian did it as well. As far as Robby Robinson is concerned, he did work with him. That being said I wouldn't really listen to anything he said since he seems pretty bitter in his old age. Are far as Trevors bf% goes, it depends on when you seen him. From pictures you can tell it fluctuated. BFT can be done without a partner and the writeup he did of it is very basic.The amount of forced reps should only be 2-4. He wrote later that the reason why he said 6-8 was to make up for bad spotters and people who didnt train to failure correctly. Also his BFT DVD will be released in the future. I don't nkow when, I just know it will be released. Hope that clears up some stuff. Anymore questions I will do my best to answer.

who's releasing the DVD?  I'm not saying your lying but the way I hear it is his wife-or ex wife cause i think she left him-owns the rights to all the BFT and nuclear nutrition stuff and she has no intention of doing anything with it.  Again this is what I think I heard, I didn' pay a whole lot of attention to it at the time.
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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2007, 11:54:55 AM »



I've heard alot of different things from people that knew him...

It really doesn't matter now.

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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2007, 11:57:10 AM »
I hope they buried his wardrobe with him as well.
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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2007, 11:59:57 AM »
I hope they buried his wardrobe with him as well.

hahhah Probably scared the other corpses.

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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2007, 01:03:33 PM »
Did you know him personally? Several people who knew him have intimated it was suicide. They said he was extremely depressed before his death.

No I didn't know him personally, but the person I talked to who was VERY close to Trevor and wants to stay anonymous for right now told me it was a heart attack.

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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2007, 01:09:27 PM »
there is no way he was 35%  bf....he was bloated like a toad but not THAT fat.  the guy was an extremely strong guy adding weight to every machine so he had alot of muscle. i give credit where it is do and i say the dude was big..no matter what you thought about him as a person.

he even had some machines custom made for him if i remember right.

i swear i have read somewhere in one of his articles that he claimed to have got to 420lbs. Now bearing in mind that ronnie coleman is probably the most muscular human being to ever walk the earth (steroid induced obviously), and i think ronnies highest off season weight ever is reportedly about 330.  Now for this guy to be almost 100lbs heavier than that, i aint saying he didnt have alot of muscle but he must also have had a fu cking shi t load of fat on him aswell.
On a side note, this years world strongest man has recently been played in the uk, there was a canadian guy called dominic filou who was 440lbs at about 6'4. He was obviously big and muscular, but he was fu cking fat as hell !! This is what i imagine trevor to have been like, which is why he probably always kept himself covered up. Just my 2cnts

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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2007, 01:18:10 PM »

Here is the article if of interest, he claimes he could get well over 420lbs at 6'1.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trevorsmith.htm

"So the only thing I will give you in terms of my "stats" is my height and weight. I am 6 foot and a bit over a half inch... so I give myself the other nearly half inch and say that my height is 6 feet 1 inch. During the peak of my last course, while I was shooting my video, I was 412 lbs. One day I was really hungry and ate like 50 pieces of sushi at my favorite sushi place and after that night and the 2 gallons of Gatorade I consumed (no bullshit, just ask my wife... my appetite for solid food is very small most of the time, but in terms of liquids I am like a camel), between the hours of 10:00pm and 4:00am my weight the next morning was around 420 lbs. from all the water retention that I got from eating gobs and gobs of sushi and the Gatorade. But for the most part, I stayed at 412 lbs. for the video. If I make a concerted effort to stuff my face with carbs (in my opinion, sushi is the best source for this along with a packet of M.R.P. Factor 3 mixed with Gatorade), I can go over 420 lbs. easily. "


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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2007, 01:24:08 PM »
i swear i have read somewhere in one of his articles that he claimed to have got to 420lbs. Now bearing in mind that ronnie coleman is probably the most muscular human being to ever walk the earth (steroid induced obviously), and i think ronnies highest off season weight ever is reportedly about 330.  Now for this guy to be almost 100lbs heavier than that, i aint saying he didnt have alot of muscle but he must also have had a fu cking shi t load of fat on him aswell.
On a side note, this years world strongest man has recently been played in the uk, there was a canadian guy called dominic filou who was 440lbs at about 6'4. He was obviously big and muscular, but he was fu cking fat as hell !! This is what i imagine trevor to have been like, which is why he probably always kept himself covered up. Just my 2cnts

He was probably leaner than filou though. When i watched filou I could see he had some man boobs under his clothes. Now I look at the picture of trevor shaking hands with coleman, that pic is from the 2003 USA's were he was 405lbs and  that shirt is pretty tight and I dont see any man boobs.

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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2007, 01:26:45 PM »
He was probably leaner than filou though. When i watched filou I could see he had some man boobs under his clothes. Now I look at the picture of trevor shaking hands with coleman, that pic is from the 2003 USA's were he was 405lbs and  that shirt is pretty tight and I dont see any man boobs.

Yeah, i agree bro, he probably wasnt quite as fat as filou. That guy had the prickly skin and everything that obese people get :(

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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2007, 01:29:29 PM »
BEYOND FAILURE TRAINING VIDEO. to view pics go to http://www.chadnicholls.net/forums/showthread.php?t=39691&page=11&pp=20

The Beyond Failure Training Video was shot during one week of Trevor's last mass training cycle in April , 2003. All lifts are well documented and refernced as 100% legit. The video and testimonials of those present will be proof of the legitimate weights, size and strength.

Trevor's bodyweight in the pics and in the video was around 410lbs....somedays more...somedays less. Hopefully these pictures will inspire many to train to their maximal levels and learn that the most powerful muscle in "Beyond Failure Training TM" is the mind.

It is important to understand that Trevor does not train for the purposes of being a strong man or a powerlifter....he respects both of these type of athletes tremendously and in return garners tremendous amounts of respect from many world record holding Powerlifters, Bench Press specialist and Squat specialists. Through his years of dedication to the "Iron" and the "Martial Arts," he has been able to excel in strength and size and feels pleased to share that knowledge as well as his own accomplishment proving his training theories and years of efforts to create them. He has been fortunate to have been recognized and hired by top professional athletes and top professional bodybuilders including top Mr. Olympia Contender Jay Cutler whom aside from being a personal friend of Trevor's, Trevor is very honored and excited to be of assistance to and take an already amazing and freakish physique and make it even better. To have someone of Jay Cutler's stature and accomplish acknowledge Trevor's accomplishments and training intensity and knowledge in the field of bodybuilding and, in particular, adding muscle mass means a great deal to Trevor. Jay Cutler has trained under Trevor in the Beyond Failure Training Center and has experienced first hand the power and intensity of Trevor's training system and knowledge and it is Trevor's hope that his knowledge combined with Jay's own will be of tremendous help in securing the title of Mr. Olympia, a title that many feel was rightfully his in 2001.

Trevor firmly believes that through his many, many unique techniques that he uses in the ever evolving system he created called, "Beyond Failure Training TM," he will continue to gain tremendous strength along with tremendous size. Regardless of the incredible poundage that he routinely lifts, Trevor does not train for MAX lifts as all his pressing movements are done AFTER EXTREMELY HEAVY AND EXTREMELY EXTENSIVE PRE-EXHAUST WITH ISOLATION MOVEMENTS which is a cornerstone of his training system.

Trevor also has come to an understanding that there are many non-believers and lots of negative comments and gossip that the weights he uses are fake, that his bodyfat is 30%, that since he has not yet competed in bodybuilding his size and strength are somehow irrelevant, that his pictures are graphically enhanced, or that he wears shoulder pads etc. He further understands the nature of the internet and the ease of its anonimity to dispute, discredit and insult. This is inevitable when you put yourself out there and exposure yourself so one must take the good with the bad. Regardless of those comments, there are many that use the photos and information of Trevor's writings, knowledge about his training system, "Beyond Failure Training TM," mass theories, and philosphies (including many well accomplished and well established professional athletes) to enhance their own training and lives. It is for those people that look, read and become more informed that this is for.



Chest Day....Pre-Exhaust set with the "Flex 30 Degree Pec Contractor" at 500lbs. (since the machine is designed normally to hold a 200lbs. stack and Trevor's machine was customized with a 300lbs stack....the people at Flex Equipment would probably not be too warranty friendly seeing the extra 45lbs. plates and the dumbbells added to the stack

Trevor getting some "Extreme Forced Reps TM" after hitting failure with the 500lbs....of course, the video shows the entire set complete with all the drop sets and "Extreme Forced RepsTM"

After pre-exhausting the pecs....it was on to incline bench presses on the Smith Machine with a starting weight of 765lbs. and continuing with drop sets and very unique style, "Zero Momentum RepsTM" called "EXTREME ZERO MOMENTUM REPS TM"...a technique that Trevor has not written about or shown to many people.


Shoulders: Pre-Exhausting with a triple drop set of seated laterals.....starting weight: 150lbs. Dumbbells...Again, the video will have the complete set and the unique style these are done in to completely isolate and pre-exhaust the lateral delt.

Then on to Front Shoulder Presses on the "Smith Machine"...Starting weight: 675lbs.....and once again adding never before seen techniques to increase difficulty and intensity...This Video Is, Without Question, The Most Intense Training Video EVER Filmed...

After Shoulder Presses...it was on to Triceps training.....Starting with Close Grip Bench Presses With 585lbs. to start and ending in a whole lot of pain and an inability to lift the arms after the multiple strip/drop sets and forced reps...note the unwrapped thumb technique used throughout all Trevor's pressing movements.....subtle changes like this can dramatically increase the intensity of a set..WARNING : DO NOT ATTEMPT WITHOUT COMPETENT AND ADEQUATE SPOTTERS AND ALWAYS START WITH A LIGHT WEIGHT SO YOU CAN GET USED TO THE TECHNIQUE.
After Pre-Exhausting On The "Nautilus Plate Loaded Pullover" (sorry guys....didn't get those pics) Trevor moves on to a Power Set on the Nebula Heavy Duty Low Row Machine (Eleven 45lbs. Plates Per Side)....(due to its floating arms/handles....this incredible machine is much more difficult than a standard "Hammer" Low Row Machine and thus completely tortures the back from multiple angles.
Trevor in mid rep on what he calls the "Most Intense Piece Of Back Equipment Ever Developed."....It is an "Iso Mid Row Machine" made by "Nebula".....although you cannot see it clearly in this picture....it has two floating arms that move outward and inward as you pull back and the handles rotate 360 degrees......the amount of stress this puts on the lats is amazing.....it is a very, very, very hard machine and way more difficult that even free weights or dumbbell rows due to its unique design. Although it is loaded with Six 45lbs. plates..... according to Trevor this is like using the" Hammer" DY row with Twelve 45lbs. plates per side (which is impossible to load on to the "Hammer" DY machine) yet even that cannot compare if it were possible due to the "Floating" nature of the arms on this machine and the fact that your wrists rotate throughout the movement....thus making it a very DYNAMIC movement which is much harder than a standard plate loaded back machine which are mostly STATIC in their movements. Hats off to" Nebula" on this back/lat torture device as Trevor's face is worth a thousand words.


After an extremely intense pre-exhaust set of leg extensions with unique variants of Z.M.R.'s that yielded tremendous amounts of blowtorch burning pain to the quads..
Trevor mentally readies himself for a set starting with nearly 2,500lbs. on his customized Pendulum Power Squat Machine. A custom built machine made with 1:1 ratio to mimic almost identically the feeling of a standard free bar squat.

This shot was taken literally 2 seconds before Trevor puked into his gym bag

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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2007, 03:01:52 PM »
i swear i have read somewhere in one of his articles that he claimed to have got to 420lbs. Now bearing in mind that ronnie coleman is probably the most muscular human being to ever walk the earth (steroid induced obviously), and i think ronnies highest off season weight ever is reportedly about 330.  Now for this guy to be almost 100lbs heavier than that, i aint saying he didnt have alot of muscle but he must also have had a fu cking shi t load of fat on him aswell.
On a side note, this years world strongest man has recently been played in the uk, there was a canadian guy called dominic filou who was 440lbs at about 6'4. He was obviously big and muscular, but he was fu cking fat as hell !! This is what i imagine trevor to have been like, which is why he probably always kept himself covered up. Just my 2cnts


actually according md marcus ruhl has been in the 340's with abs showing.
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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2007, 03:40:03 PM »
PENDULUM POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRR!!!!!!!!!! hahah oh brother hahahaha
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Re: Trevor Smith's Beyond Failure Training !
« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2007, 04:09:07 PM »
No I didn't know him personally, but the person I talked to who was VERY close to Trevor and wants to stay anonymous for right now told me it was a heart attack.

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no..you got it wrong, I wasn't saying it like that.  I wasn't t;rying to be a dick, I just heard different things than you did.

I know he worked on a dvd but I just heard a different story than you did...nothing more nothing less.  I hope it comes out, I'd probably buy it.
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