Schwarzenegger is a a turncoat!

[chainsaw]

Arnold Championed California against giving Illegal aliens drivers licenses when he first ran.

And won on it.

Now he wants to give them all free health insurance, even though many trauma centers are

Closing every year in L.A..  Even though the State is 30 billion in debt.

Arnold is an idiot politician, just like the rest.  We can see Shriver "the kennedy's" now really run

California.  I guess with all that dbol, arnold really did lose his balls,

What a freak.

[ToxicAvenger]

he is an idiot...


i have some credit card company calling me every day telling me i owe 2 grand from i card i used 2 yrs ago in iowa or something...WTF...i've never fucking been there...

i just KNOW some mexican bought himself a flat screen on my SS #

[luike101]

Identity theft is huge Dont know many who havent experienced it in some way.

[The True Adonis]

It will save the State 10 BILLION DOLLARS!!!!

Arnold is the man.  Everyone should have Free Healthcare.

At least Bob Chick won`t have to pretend anymore that the Bodybuilders have healthcare.

[leaky_frog]

I have to agree- Arnold has changed his positions with the political winds every year he has been in office.  Monster disappointment.  Won't leave much of a legacy at this rate, though, and trying to make everyone happy just makes no one happy.  Of course, Maria could be a big part of the problem, too.

[ToxicAvenger]

Arnold is the man.  Everyone should have Free Healthcare.

no they shouldn't..if it comes down to me or some ilegal mexican dying..

i'd do the mexican in with my own bare hands...i hear they taste like chalupas..

[chainsaw]

It will save the State 10 BILLION DOLLARS!!!!

Arnold is the man.  Everyone should have Free Healthcare.

At least Bob Chick won`t have to pretend anymore that the Bodybuilders have healthcare.

Now I know you don't know you're ass from a whole in the ground.  You probabley have never even been to california.

[Old_Rooster]

It will save the State 10 BILLION DOLLARS!!!!

Arnold is the man.  Everyone should have Free Healthcare.

At least Bob Chick won`t have to pretend anymore that the Bodybuilders have healthcare.

I am very curious about something Adonis.  Do you actually think you look good from a muscular standpoint?

[Hugo Chavez]

I'm all over the illegal problem and spend a lot of time yelling about it but this isn't it... I support the minuteman project and some border fence advocacy groups but Lou Dobbs was wrong on this issue.  Basically the attack on Arnold is because illegals will be able to take advantage of this.  Well they already take advantage of the system leaving taxpayers with the bill.  With this the tax payers save some money.  It's about all the citizens of California, not the illegals.  Lou and others just glommed onto this issue from the illegal perspective.  Well, fix the illegal problem.  Not an insurance proposal meant to benefit the citizens of California.  Oh and you can't call a politician who actually does try to work with both sides a turncoat.  That's the guy he claimed to be all along...

[finurface]

I have to agree- Arnold has changed his positions with the political winds every year he has been in office.  Monster disappointment.  Won't leave much of a legacy at this rate, though, and trying to make everyone happy just makes no one happy.  Of course, Maria could be a big part of the problem, too.

beaners are happy , too.

[Pet shop boys]

Arnold Championed California against giving Illegal aliens drivers licenses when he first ran.

And won on it.

Now he wants to give them all free health insurance, even though many trauma centers are

Closing every year in L.A..  Even though the State is 30 billion in debt.

Arnold is an idiot politician, just like the rest.  We can see Shriver "the kennedy's" now really run

California.  I guess with all that dbol, arnold really did lose his balls,

What a freak.

Arnold is the only Republican still standing and unlike the rest, his popularity is on the rise NATION WIDE.

read the papers.

woooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Hugo Chavez]

woooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Xena

[pumpster]

I have to agree- Arnold has changed his positions with the political winds every year he has been in office.  Monster disappointment.  Won't leave much of a legacy at this rate, though, and trying to make everyone happy just makes no one happy.  Of course, Maria could be a big part of the problem, too.

Not really, if you know anything about him he's only returned to his usual moderate social positions following a failed attempt at something more severe a year or two ago. This moderate progressive approach will be continued, is much more in line with California's constituents & his own views as a European, and will be popular. The health care thing's right out of Canadian/Euro approaches. His progressive approaches are sadly lacking with most other very predictable in-the-box American politicians.

[Dingleberry]

Republicans in California are more liberal than Southern Democrats. California is a huge welfare state, and if you want to survive politically, you can't pass conservative laws. Every time he tries to pass something that doesn't favor socialism, he drops in the polls. There's really not much he can do if he expects to stay in office.

[Stark]

Politics and Bodybuilding

[torquemada]

Adonis, how will giving everybody incl illegal immigrants health care save CA $?  Seriously, is there some angle looking at the costs of long term care or something?

[Hugo Chavez]

Adonis, how will giving everybody incl illegal immigrants health care save CA $?  Seriously, is there some angle looking at the costs of long term care or something?

because the state foots the bill for uninsured people who can't pay the bill.  Arnold is saying they're already paying for the uninsured, might as well save some money and insure them which will have the insurance companies picking up a good part of the bill.  I don't know the details yet, probably businesses are going to flip out over it and scream they'll go broke I think they said, the hospitals, business and the state will share in covering everyone.

[leaky_frog]

Republicans in California are more liberal than Southern Democrats. California is a huge welfare state, and if you want to survive politically, you can't pass conservative laws. Every time he tries to pass something that doesn't favor socialism, he drops in the polls. There's really not much he can do if he expects to stay in office.

Therein lies the problem- staying in office by pandering as opposed to providing real leadership is, or ought to be, embarrassing.  Arnold gained popularity during his first year in office by bypassing the legislature when they wouldn't play ball.  He overextended on his ballot initiatives the following year and got smacked down for it, but I respected him more at the time for standing up for something he said he believed in.

[pumpster]

Therein lies the problem- staying in office by pandering as opposed to providing real leadership is, or ought to be, embarrassing. 

What's embarassing is your lack of comprehension of his core values, which are now on display. The things he's doing now-environment, health care, infrastructure-are completely consistent with what he's always been about.

[leaky_frog]

What's embarassing is your lack of comprehension of his core values, which are now on display. The things he's doing now-environment, health care, infrastructure-are completely consistent with what he's always been about.

So Arnold was either pandering in the beginning of his term, or he's pandering now...which is it?  Either way, it should be embarrassing.

[Dingleberry]

Therein lies the problem- staying in office by pandering as opposed to providing real leadership is, or ought to be, embarrassing.  Arnold gained popularity during his first year in office by bypassing the legislature when they wouldn't play ball.  He overextended on his ballot initiatives the following year and got smacked down for it, but I respected him more at the time for standing up for something he said he believed in.

You must realize that Arnold has bigger plans. He has no intension on staying at state level, he's ready for the big prize - the President. He is the kind of man that is always reaching for something higher, and although he's not legally eligible to be the president, I assure you it's possible. He is doing what he does best - succeeding. And in this case it means pandering to the voters. There is no politician who doesn't do the same thing, at least not one that's going to survive. You must do what your voting base wants, and there's nothing embarrassing about that. In all reality, he is doing an outstanding job considering his job consists of keeping the people happy. Not many people could have pulled off what he has. He's a staunch republican that became the governor of the most liberal state in our country. On top of that, he got reelected. The man is a walking success story.

[leaky_frog]

You must realize that Arnold has bigger plans. He has no intension on staying at state level, he's ready for the big prize - the president. He is the kind of man that is always reaching for something higher, and although he's not legally eligible to be the president, I assure you it's possible. He is doing what he does best - succeeding. And in this case it means pandering to the voters. There is no politician who doesn't do the same thing, at least not one that's going to survive. You must do what your voting base wants, and there's nothing embarrassing about that. In all reality, he is doing an outstanding job considering his job consists of keeping the people happy. Not many people could have pulled off what he has. He is a staunch Republican that became the governor of the most liberal state in our country. On top of that, he got reelected. The man is a walking success story.

  I'm not demeaning his success, and I have no doubt he's after a larger prize; however, Arnold ran as a pro business, fiscal conservative with a centrist social agenda, which is what I believe propelled him to office.  I'm not seeing a lot of fiscal conservatism in the plans he continues to announce, and it's certainly not going to inspire new business to come to California, outside of companies providing infrastructure improvements, i.e. construction.

[Shockwave]

So Arnold was either pandering in the beginning of his term, or he's pandering now...which is it?  Either way, it should be embarrassing.

Wait.... your saying, doing what the public wants, which HE IS ELECTED TO DO, is embarrassing? I don't understand your thinking here... If I elected him, and he did 180* of what the public wanted, I would be pissed.

[leaky_frog]

I'd like to think that those we elect use their own values to make decisions, as opposed to always looking to the public (read:polls) for what to do next.  I might not always agree with what they do, but at least I know they're willing to stand up for themselves, even if it's not popular to do so.

I don't see how Arnold wins either way, though- either he panders (my opinion) or he becomes a victim of his own hubris (GWB)- glad I'm not a politician.

[Shockwave]

I'd like to think that those we elect use their own values to make decisions, as opposed to always looking to the public (read:polls) for what to do next.  I might not always agree with what they do, but at least I know they're willing to stand up for themselves, even if it's not popular to do so.

I don't see how Arnold wins either way, though- either he panders (my opinion) or he becomes a victim of his own hubris (GWB)- glad I'm not a politician.

Ok, I got you. I would do the same, but the problem is, no politicians have their own values anymore. They say what people want to hear until they get into office, and/or it's reelection time.