Thoughts on the Presidents speech!

[OzmO]

In the Presidents first speech after 9/11 he said (I'm paraphrasing) " that we will go after anyone in any country that harbors terrorists or that have ties to terrorism" Saddam had precisly those ties and that effects the safety of our country!

what about Saudi Arabia then?

[Camel Jockey]

In the Presidents first speech after 9/11 he said (I'm paraphrasing) " that we will go after anyone in any country that harbors terrorists or that have ties to terrorism" Saddam had precisly those ties and that effects the safety of our country!

Pakistan and Saudia Arabia harbor more terrorists than any other country. Saddam did not have any ties to Al-Queda, so stop beating a dead horse already.

[OzmO]

Pakistan and Saudia Arabia harbor more terrorists than any other country. Saddam did not have any ties to Al-Queda, so stop beating a dead horse already.

there are several dead horses here:

-  Iraq was a good decision
-  Saddam was a threat
-  Iraq had WMD's
-  Bush is doing a great job

the list could go on and on


there is a virutal grave yard of dead horses here.

[240 is Back]

In the Presidents first speech after 9/11 he said (I'm paraphrasing) " that we will go after anyone in any country that harbors terrorists or that have ties to terrorism" Saddam had precisly those ties and that effects the safety of our country!

That was a lie.

The taliban was prepared to turn over bin laden and al quida to the haige for a world trial.  Or, they would turn him over to the US if the US had any evidence Bin laden was involved.

(See, all the early evidence pointed at Paki intelligence, unfortunately).

Would you expect Bush to turn over a large group of Americans to a foreign nation who claims they did something, with zero evidence?  Of course not.

[Mr. Intenseone]

That was a lie.

The taliban was prepared to turn over bin laden and al quida to the haige for a world trial.  Or, they would turn him over to the US if the US had any evidence Bin laden was involved.

(See, all the early evidence pointed at Paki intelligence, unfortunately).

Would you expect Bush to turn over a large group of Americans to a foreign nation who claims they did something, with zero evidence?  Of course not.

So, Saddam wasn't paying families $25k to have there loved ones become human bombs and there wasn't an Al Quaeda training camp just out side of Baghdad?

[240 is Back]

So, Saddam wasn't paying families $25k to have there loved ones become human bombs and there wasn't an Al Quaeda training camp just out side of Baghdad?

Saddam was paying men who blew up israelis.  that is israel's problem to deal with.  if they wanted to kill him for it, they should have. 

the al quida training camp outside baghdad - i believe that one is much disputed.  Can you give us details from a source that isn't the Bush adminstration?  If it was an actual al Q training camp, i am sure that many countries of the world were aware of it. 

(nothing against bush, but he selectively chooses intel to match his goals)

[Camel Jockey]

So, Saddam wasn't paying families $25k to have there loved ones become human bombs and there wasn't an Al Quaeda training camp just out side of Baghdad?

When backed into a corner you start pulling shit out of your ass to use as arguements, not to mention using arguements that have already proven to be false.

[OzmO]

When backed into a corner you start pulling shit out of your ass to use as arguements, not to mention using arguements that have already proven to be false.

He's just playing his role.   

[MisterMagoo]

the funniest part was this: "We will use America’s full diplomatic resources to rally support for Iraq from nations throughout the Middle East. Countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, and the Gulf States need to understand that an American defeat in Iraq would create a new sanctuary for extremists and a strategic threat to their survival."

15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia (not to mention bin laden himself), mohammad atta was from egypt, the other three were from gulf states, and abu mussab al-zarqawi is from jordan. fucking dumbass, bush.

[240 is Back]

A Paki general, the head of their intel agency, sent Atta $100,000 a few days before 9/11.

That same general had breakfast with future CIA box Porter goss and 911 commissioner graham, ON THE MORNING OF 9/11.

His name and position were deleted from teh 911 commission testimony.  "audio malfunctions" on all white house records, but it came up just fine on CSPAN.




There is a need to investigate why this man sent $100,000 to a terrorist about to do a suicide mission.  He had his assistant wire the money, so was it a paki intel operation?  Why did he have breakfast that morning?

With 3000 dead and all of it a matter of national security, everyone at that breakfast table should have been taking polygraphs the next day.  instead, the genreal went back to pakistan and porter goss became head of the CIA.

yeah.  big coincidence?

[Mr. Intenseone]

When backed into a corner you start pulling shit out of your ass to use as arguements, not to mention using arguements that have already proven to be false.

That was proven...show where it wasn't true, with Libs self denial is a bitch, that prick was breeding them left and right!!

[MisterMagoo]

So, Saddam wasn't paying families $25k to have there loved ones become human bombs and there wasn't an Al Quaeda training camp just out side of Baghdad?

no, you dope. saddam paid the families of all of the arabs who died in fights with israelis (which means whether or not they blew themselves up) AFTER they died. he did that as an attempt to ingratiate himself with the radical religious muslims who historically considered him an infidel. knowing that the united states was ramping up for a war, he was hoping he could make friends with his neighbors by showing he sided with the muslims in the israeli conflict.

it was an act of desparation by a man who knew his days were numbered. and if you have any actual evidence of the al qaeda training camp outside of baghdad i'd like to see it.

[GroinkTropin]

That was proven...show where it wasn't true, with Libs self denial is a bitch, that prick was breeding them left and right!!

He was also trying to attack us, but was far from it. I remember he had a huge cannon built into the side of a mountain, the CIA killed the guy making it before it was finished.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/isg-final-report/isg-final-report_vol2_nuclear-14.htm

The trippy thing, and noone seems to realize this, is that the gun itself was made to shoot projectiles to new york. That doesnt sound like much, but remember we made a cannon to shoot nuclear tipped shells, therfore the theory that he could launch nukes at us was real.

[240 is Back]

So why would we invade him because he may/may not have paid guys who blew up Israel?

if he was blowing up shit in USA, then let's cook the bastard. 

But Sadaam's beef with israel should never influence our decision to send 3000 Americans to their death there.

[Mr. Intenseone]

But Sadaam's beef with israel should never influence our decision to send 3000 Americans to their death there.

.........and who is Israel's ally??

[MisterMagoo]

.........and who is Israel's ally??

i notice you've dodged me in two threads now. why don't you refute what i said?

oh, and to go with 240, you realize that pretty much every country dislikes israel in the region, right? who do you like more, saudi arabia or israel? think carefully now.

[240 is Back]

.........and who is Israel's ally??

Are you saying we should now invade countries because they have beef without our allies?

Are you saying it was a good ideas to pull troops off the hunt for bun laden, and commit them to iraq, because israel didn't want to get into a war?

Their military is very good.  We don't have any treaties signed to protect them.  We have no duty to let kids die so they don't have to.