ALL ROIDS discussion thread!

[Bluto]

Adonis talk a lot of shit from time to time, however, one topic that I would be willing to discuss and I think might have some merit is the ALL ROIDS theory - from what I can see there's a number of people coming off the roids that losts a shitload of size, so maybe he's got a point here? Or does the explanation "when they get off roids they also stop training and stop eating as much" be enough?

Just how much is ALL ROIDS?

Discuss

[Cap]

Adonis talk a lot of shit from time to time, however, one topic that I would be willing to discuss and I think might have some merit is the ALL ROIDS theory - from what I can see there's a number of people coming off the roids that losts a shitload of size, so maybe he's got a point here? Or does the explanation "when they get off roids they also stop training and stop eating as much" be enough?

Just how much is ALL ROIDS?

Discuss

Prince was all roids, Flex Wheeler was all roids.  Granted they went on dialysis but Tom was a college swimmer and then ballooned to 320 in the offseason.  Flex was a skinny kid with good shape and started juicing at 18.  I think that qualifies as all roids.  Guys like Coleman and Cutler would be big without them.

[Bluto]

Prince was all roids, Flex Wheeler was all roids.  Granted they went on dialysis but Tom was a college swimmer and then ballooned to 320 in the offseason.  Flex was a skinny kid with good shape and started juicing at 18.  I think that qualifies as all roids.  Guys like Coleman and Cutler would be big without them.

But Flex is in decent shape these days isnt he? Kevin Levrone lost a great deal of size though.

There's other examples, some I'm afraid to post because then this thread might disappear 

[Cap]

But Flex is in decent shape these days isnt he? Kevin Levrone lost a great deal of size though.

There's other examples, some I'm afraid to post because then this thread might disappear 

Flex has always had good shape but a man in  his 40's should have some muscle memory.  Levrone is trying to stay skinny and could bulk up easily IMO.  Keep posting here.  It's a good thread.

[Bluto]

Flex has always had good shape but a man in  his 40's should have some muscle memory.  Levrone is trying to stay skinny and could bulk up easily IMO.  Keep posting here.  It's a good thread.

Question is how Kev would look without the juice though.

[Old_Rooster]

Adonis talk a lot of shit from time to time, however, one topic that I would be willing to discuss and I think might have some merit is the ALL ROIDS theory - from what I can see there's a number of people coming off the roids that losts a shitload of size, so maybe he's got a point here? Or does the explanation "when they get off roids they also stop training and stop eating as much" be enough?

Just how much is ALL ROIDS?

Discuss

typically lose 25 to 50% of your gains off any cycle.

[Cap]

Question is how Kev would look without the juice though.

Prolly how he looks plus ten pounds

typically lose 25 to 50% of your gains off any cycle.

Makes sense.  Tom Prince is what 160 now?

[DK II]

Prolly how he looks plus ten pounds
 Makes sense.  Tom Prince is what 160 now?

make that 60 pounds.

[Bluto]

I rather we have other examples than Tom Prince considering his condition etc.

[Nordic Beast]

Adonis talk a lot of shit from time to time, however, one topic that I would be willing to discuss and I think might have some merit is the ALL ROIDS theory - from what I can see there's a number of people coming off the roids that losts a shitload of size, so maybe he's got a point here? Or does the explanation "when they get off roids they also stop training and stop eating as much" be enough?

Just how much is ALL ROIDS?

Discuss

well what u see with the pro BB's is them using devastating amounts of TESt that permantly ruin their levels and they also dont give them selves time to recover---like anything else moderation is the key and many of the so called teenage gym rats use the shit that have no understanding of PCT treatments and what each product does what and how it affects the body

I dont juice but know people who have used it correctly and responsibly that were able to keep most of their gains-------

[Cap]

I rather we have other examples than Tom Prince considering his condition etc.

Well alot are dead (eg. Mentzers).  Dunno about Matarrazo.  Levrone is still big, prolly 50 pounds under contest weight but he still has good muscles.  Dorian is still pretty big.  About 210-220 IMO. 

[Nordic Beast]

if u believe that anyone bordering 300lbs ripped isn't ALL DRUGS then ur an idiot-----pro BB has gone to far and the athletes take way too much shit


I believe many of the top Naturals are the ones who use the shit correctly and responibly and thus are able ot keep most of their gains.

[Bluto]

well what u see with the pro BB's is them using devastating amounts of TESt that permantly ruin their levels and they also dont give them selves time to recover---like anything else moderation is the key and many of the so called teenage gym rats use the shit that have no understanding of PCT treatments and what each product does what and how it affects the body

I dont juice but know people who have used it correctly and responsibly that were able to keep most of their gains-------

Question is though how much of those gains were due to roids and how long it would've take to get it anyway

[Cap]

Question is though how much of those gains were due to roids and how long it would've take to get it anyway

I have seen many guys blow up 30 pounds on cycle and keep 10-15 max.  This isn't bad for the moderate cycles.

[Nordic Beast]

Question is though how much of those gains were due to roids and how long it would've take to get it anyway

many of the freak BB's at 300lbs are all drugs--thats why u see the health problems so prevalent in pro BB today

I agree some do have fantastic genetics to begin with but they are defintly not using the same amounts the normal gym rat juicer is using

remember 99.9% of the pro BB's who retire are not completely natural anyway---they are still getting test from their doctors due to the fact that they would have the test levels of my 86yr old grandma if they didnt

[Man of Steel]

Most of these "all roids" guys don't have the heart to train naturally....not all, but most.   So when they come off the sauce they also stop the gym cause the results don't happen in a week anymore.


Chemically generate physiques are ultimately meaningless.   They're freaky to look at, but when the plug is pulled the truth comes out.   I don't care if anyone juices or not, but when I see a freaky bb loaded up on gear I don't think "awesome" I think "he got no heart to go at it alone".    It's really just a party trick.

[Cap]

Modern BBing is crazy and has gone too far.  The amount of juice needed is too much for the year round cycles they take.

[Dingleberry]

I think if someone trains naturally for some time (years) and then runs some cycles and gets off, they will still have the motivation to train naturally. It's the guys who start juicing from the start (which I see all the time in the gym) that can't do it naturally once they're clean. They can't deal with the doing it the slow way.
The same goes for retaining size. The guys who built a good base before the juice, will have decent size when they get off. The lifetime juices are who shrink down to nothingness.

[doison]

You can't regress.  People won't go to the shows.

There is a reason the Olympia and the Arnold draw a bigger crowd than the Ironman (which often rewards "asthetic" physiques), people pay to see the freaks.  

Everyone who is saying to themselves, "I wish they judged the symmetrical guys more favorably.  If they started doing that, I would go to the shows."  
How many times have you been to the Ironman?  How many natural shows do you go to?  

[THE BAD GUY]

EVERYONE IS FUCKING WRONG UNTIL GH15 TELLS HIS SIDE OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  JK ...ITS NOT ALL ROIDS MY BUDDY SCOTT MILINE IS 337 WITH ABS AS OF RIGHT NOW AND BELIEVE ME HE DOESNT TAKE ALOT OF GEAR THATS WHY SCOTT ABLE DROPPED HIM AND WOULDNT TRAIN HIM CUZ HE WOULDNT DO THE AMOUNTS HE WANTED HIM TO....HE DOES NO MORE THEN 6IU AND SITS AROUND 3000MG A WEEK IN TEST ........YES ITS ALOT BUT FUCK ALL COMPARED TO THE "OTHER GUYS"

[doison]

EVERYONE IS FUCKING WRONG UNTIL GH15 TELLS HIS SIDE OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  JK ...ITS NOT ALL ROIDS MY BUDDY SCOTT MILINE IS 337 WITH ABS AS OF RIGHT NOW AND BELIEVE ME HE DOESNT TAKE ALOT OF GEAR THATS WHY SCOTT ABLE DROPPED HIM AND WOULDNT TRAIN HIM CUZ HE WOULDNT DO THE AMOUNTS HE WANTED HIM TO....HE DOES NO MORE THEN 6IU AND SITS AROUND 3000MG A WEEK IN TEST ........YES ITS ALOT BUT f**k ALL COMPARED TO THE "OTHER GUYS"

Yeah, he's practically natural. 
I know Scott Abel, and while his amounts are a bit out there, they are generally in the ballpark, or even lower of your buddy. 

Milne is a huge dude though.

[Dingleberry]

EVERYONE IS FUCKING WRONG UNTIL GH15 TELLS HIS SIDE OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  JK ...ITS NOT ALL ROIDS MY BUDDY SCOTT MILINE IS 337 WITH ABS AS OF RIGHT NOW AND BELIEVE ME HE DOESNT TAKE ALOT OF GEAR THATS WHY SCOTT ABLE DROPPED HIM AND WOULDNT TRAIN HIM CUZ HE WOULDNT DO THE AMOUNTS HE WANTED HIM TO....HE DOES NO MORE THEN 6IU AND SITS AROUND 3000MG A WEEK IN TEST ........YES ITS ALOT BUT f**k ALL COMPARED TO THE "OTHER GUYS"

Holy shit, if 3k grams is not a lot, how much do the other guys use?

[THE BAD GUY]

Holy shit, if 3k grams is not a lot, how much do the other guys use?

AROUND 6000MG for some reason the guys in the states its all drugs there...everyone knows that

[doison]

AROUND 6000MG for some reason the guys in the states its all drugs there...everyone knows that

I heard it was all drugs over in Europe? 
Funny how it is always somewhere else...

[THE BAD GUY]

SAD thing is that 6000mg is only the test not including all the other shit that has to be taken ...anyway boys good thread im out gym time