"subestimate"? anyway, i have been to many shows, i have the utmost respect for Bob Chick, i think he's got a great attitude on here, doesn't take it all too seriously and has an awesome physique that should be at the top of the IFBB and represents what bodybuilding should be about, wide shoulders, small waist, great quads, good height basically a freakier Steve Reeves, as for Kamali or Milos, they are big talkers but don't back it up.