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« on: January 14, 2007, 11:40:07 AM »
and like i predicted, its in the numbers

on september 10 2001 donny dumsfeld announced the pentagon had lost track of some 2.3 trillion $$
http://www.defenselink.mil/Speeches/Speech.aspx?SpeechID=430

on sep 11 2001 the pentagon was struck by a plane, and the sections hit were the personelle, naval intelligence, telecommunications (both of which were involved in the responce to the WTC attacks) and most notably .... accounting and finance, the very people who were working on the 2.3 trillion issue all wiped out in an instant:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/pentagon.victims.html

1 Robert E. Russell, 52, Oxon Hill, Maryland
civilian budgetary supervisor, U.S. Army

2 Angelene C. Carter, 51, Forrestville, Maryland
accountant, U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

3 Jimmie Ira Holley, 54, Lanham, Maryland
accountant

4 Peggie Hurt, 36, Crewe, Virginia
accountant, U.S. Army

5 Cecelia E. Richard, 41, Fort Washington, Maryland
accounting technician, U.S. Army

6 Patricia E. (Patti) Mickley, 41, Springfield, Virginia
financial manager, Defense Department

7 Carrie Blagburn, 48, Temple Hills, Maryland
civilian budget analyst, U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

8 Carolyn B. Halmon, 49, Washington, D.C.
budget analyst, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

9 Brenda Kegler, 49, Washington, D.C.
budget analyst, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

10 David W. Laychak, 40, Manassas, Virginia
civilian budget analyst, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

11 Samantha Lightbourn-Allen, 36, Hillside, Maryland
budget analyst, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

12 Shelley A. Marshall, 37, Marbury, Maryland
budget analyst, Defense Intelligence Agency
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

13 Odessa V. Morris, 54, Upper Marlboro, Maryland
budget analyst, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

14 Martha Reszke, 36, Stafford, Virginia
budget analyst, U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building


15 Marjorie C. Salamone, 53, Springfield, Virginia
budget program analyst, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

16 Antoinette Sherman, 35, Forest Heights, Maryland
budget analyst, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

17 Edna L. Stephens, 53, Washington, D.C.
budget analyst, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

and of the civilians whose functions werent listed i found this:

http://www.defendamerica.mil/remember/remember_a.html

18 Donna Marie Bowen
    Ms. Bowen, 42, an employee of Verizon, had worked on contract in an Army budgeting office of the Pentagon for the last four years of a 23-year career with Verizon.
   Born in Omaha, she grew up in Massachusetts and was a fan of the Boston Red Sox. She was the mother of Alexandra, 10, Eugene Jr., 8, and Anastasia, 6, and stepmother to Courtney, 19, and Erika, 21. For four years she was the leader of a Girl Scout troop. On Sundays, she taught catechism at Our Lady Help of Christians Catholic Church, which the family attended. Every Wednesday, she left work early to volunteer in her children's classrooms at Berry Elementary School in Waldorf. "She was totally family-oriented," said her husband, Eugene Bowen, Sr.
   We will not forget her.
 
19 Sharon Ann Carver
   Sharon Ann Carver, 38, was an accountant for the Department of the Army from 1991 to 2001. She received her Bachelor’s Degree in Business Administration from the University of the District of Columbia and her MBA from Strayer University. She served the federal government for 16 years.
   Born the sixth of seven children, Sharon was raised in the Washington, D.C. area by her mother, who nicknamed her "Little Emma," after her grandmother. She often volunteered to go on school field trips and attend Girl Scout meetings with her nieces. She was always motivating her nieces and nephews to pursue higher education. She enjoyed traveling, watching movies, and jazz.
   She was baptized on Easter Sunday, 1996, at Free Gospel Deliverance Church in Coral Hills, MD. She was industrious and took great pride in doing her job well. She loved her country and was very patriotic.
   We will not forget her.
 
20 Ada Marie Davis
   Ada Marie Davis, 57, worked as an accountant for the government for 31 years. She served at the Pentagon under the Secretary of the Army, Resource Management, for over six years and put off retirement twice to ensure that her successor was prepared for the job.
   As the oldest of ten children, she helped her mother and father raise her younger brothers and sisters. Her creativity, patience, strong will, determination, love and vigor for life left its mark on everyone she encountered. She was a wife, a friend, a patriot, a leader, a godmother, a grandmother and a mother.
   Survivors include her husband, Nolton Jr.; four children, Zenovia, Yolanda, Rosslyn and Christopher; three sisters and three brothers.
   We will not forget her.
 
21 Cortez Ghee
   Cortez Ghee was a budget analyst for the Department of the Army.
   He attended Montgomery, Prince George’s and Cantonsville colleges. Prior to his job with the Army, he worked with the Maryland Air National Guard, the Department of Health and Human Services in Baltimore, MD., the General Services Administration in Washington, D.C., and served a tour with the U.S. Air Force.
   His favorite sport was football. He loved photography, music, reading, playing chess, stamp collecting and traveling. He was a devoted husband to his wife of 22 years, and he was a loving son, brother, uncle and friend.
   We will not forget him.
 
22 Brenda Colbert Gibson
   Brenda Colbert Gibson, 59, was a budget analyst for Resource Services Washington in the office of the administrative assistant to the Secretary of the Army.
   She held positions in several different agencies during more than thirty years of service in the federal government. She was a loyal employee and a woman of integrity. Friends throughout the Pentagon remarked about her cordial greeting and pleasant smile. She enjoyed comic books, cartoons, jellybeans and sports. She was the ultimate Redskins fan.
   Survivors include her husband, Joseph M. Gibson, III, her son Eric, her parents, Florence and LaBrent Colbert, and four sisters.
   We will not forget her.
 
23 Bryan Creed Jack
   Dr. Bryan Creed Jack, 48, was director of the programming and fiscal economics division in the Office of Program Analysis and Evaluation in the U.S. Department of Defense. He was responsible for designing and maintaining the Future Years Defense Program and developing the fiscal guidance by which the Secretary of Defense allocates funding to the military and defense agencies.
   A former National Merit Scholar and Presidential Scholar from Texas, he graduated from the California Institute of Technology and studied in Japan as a Henry Luce Scholar. He later earned an MBA at Stanford University and a doctorate in economics from the University of Maryland. In 2000, he was appointed adjunct professor of economics at George Washington University.
   He joined the Defense Department as an analyst in 1978 and was twice awarded the Defense Exceptional Service Medal, in 1998 and 2000.
   We will not forget him.
 
24 Ada Wilson Mason
   Ada Wilson Mason was a budget analyst for the U.S. Army.
   She graduated from Jackson State University in 1973 and worked in banking until she began her career with the U.S. government in 1980.
   She was strong-willed and analytical. As a member of Alfred Street Baptist Church in Alexandria, Va., she sang in the choir and worked in the youth ministry and student tutorial ministry. Her Christian beliefs gave her strength. Her favorite flower was the lily, the symbol of grace and eternal life.
   Survivors include her husband, Sherman L. Acker, Jr.; daughter Shannon; son Shaun; stepson Matthew Acker; three sisters and a brother; and her mother, Sareatha Wilson.
   We will not forget her.
 
25 Robert Maxwell
   Robert Maxwell, 56, worked at the Pentagon as a civilian budget analyst for the U.S. Army.
   He liked shrimp Creole and listening to Janis Joplin. His wife, Karen Greenberg, remembers how he brought stuffed Asian duck feet when she first invited him home to meet her father. "It took some thought,” she said. “Anybody can bring flowers." She said he always gave her two cards for romantic occasions, "one ridiculous, one sincere."
   Survivors include his wife and stepson, Tanner.
   We will not forget him
 
26 Molly L. McKenzie
   Molly L. McKenzie, 38, was a civilian budget analyst for the U.S. Army.
   She earned a B.S. degree from Mount Vernon Nazarene College and worked for the Army for 14 years. Her daughters Lea, 13, and Alana, 10, wrote that she "would do anything for us. She would take us places like shopping, the movies and places to eat. She loved to draw and read books. She liked to read the Bible. She liked to run and sometimes we ran with her. If we had a problem, she would always help us. She was not only our mother, she was our friend."
   Survivors include her daughters; mother Elizabeth Hornberger; brothers Larry and Kenny; sisters Sally Wetzel and Judy Yake; and her former husband, Shane McKenzie.
   We will not forget her.
 
27 Diana B. Padro
   Diana B. Padro worked in the Pentagon as an accountant for the office of the Secretary of the U.S. Army.
   She earned a B.A. degree from Interamerican University of Puerto Rico. She joined the U.S Army and was stationed at Fort Hood, TX. After leaving the Army in 1982 she stayed involved with military life. She worked briefly for the National Guard. She loved her job and traveled often. Every time she visited a city, state or country, she brought home a magnet for her refrigerator door. At her office, she had a wall of similar items that friends brought from trips. She was an outgoing woman who immersed everyone in her laughter and energy.
   Survivors include her husband Jose and sons José Javier and Juan Carlos.
   We will not forget her.
 
28 Clifford L. Patterson, Jr.
   U.S. Army Maj. Clifford L. Patterson, Jr., worked in the Pentagon as budget officer for the Resource Management division.
   He was a Distinguished Military Graduate from Howard University in 1991 and was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the infantry. His assignments included Bradley platoon leader, Scout platoon leader and company executive officer for 1st Battalion, 9th Cavalry, and Battalion S-4 for 1st Battalion, 502nd Infantry; commander, Charlie and Headquarters companies, 1-502nd Infantry Regiment, Fort Campbell, KY. His awards include the Meritorious Service Medal, Army Staff Badge, Army Commendation Medal, Army Achievement Medal with two Oak Leaf Clusters, Southwest Asia Service Medal, National Defense Service Medal, Expert Infantryman Badge, Pathfinder Badge and Parachutist and Air Assault badges.
   Survivors include his wife, Capt. (P) Tarnatha Patterson, and sons Clifford and Benjamin.
   We will not forget him.
 
29 Rhonda Sue Ridge Rasmussen
   Rhonda Sue Ridge Rasmussen, 44, worked in the Pentagon as a budget analyst for the U.S. Army.
   She and her husband Floyd, who also worked for the Army in the Pentagon but was able to evacuate safely, traveled the world during their combined 51 years of service. She particularly enjoyed their three stints in Germany, but her favorite place, said her husband, "was wherever she happened to be with me and me with her." He said she was "big of heart, big smile, willing to listen, laugh at you, put you at ease."
   Survivors include her husband; children Nathan, Jeremiah, Thaddaus and Rebekkah; stepchildren Michael, Lisa and Shawn; her mother and three brothers.
   We will not forget her.
 
30  Edward Veld Rowenhorst
   Edward Rowenhorst, 32, worked as a civilian accountant for the U.S. Army in the Pentagon.
   He graduated from George Mason University in 1992 and went to work at the Pentagon, where he had interned while in college. He loved to take his daughter Ashley, 7, to his office, whether it was for Take Our Daughters to Work Day or just to give his wife a break at home. "Everyone in the office enjoyed kids," said his wife, Traci. "They were just a big family there."
   Survivors include his wife and daughters Ashley and Kaitlyn.
   We will not forget him.
 
31 Charles (Chuck) Edward Sabin
   Charles (Chuck) E. Sabin, 54, was the senior financial resources expert for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
   He earned a B.S. degree from Drexel Institute of Technology in 1969 and worked as an accountant with the U.S. Army Audit Agency. Commissioned in 1970, he served with the Army in Belgium and Holland and the U.S. He earned an MBA from Fairleigh Dickinson University and an Army Commander’s Award for Civilian Service. After joining DIA in 1981 as an accountant he received Director’s Awards for Meritorious Service in 1984 and Exceptional Service in 1991. His leadership and incisive analysis led DIA's financial policy and accounting office through major organizational changes. He loved life and had many friends. He also personally mentored many DIA employees.
   Survivors include sons Charles Jr. and Paul, and brothers Martin and Frederick.
   We will not forget him.
 
32 Janice Marie Scott
    Janice M. Scott, 46, worked in the Pentagon as a budget officer for Resource Services Washington.
   She earned an associate degree from Enterprise (Ala.) State Junior College and a BS degree from the University of Maryland. In 1987 she joined the U.S. Army Personnel Command as an assistant budget officer. In 1989 she became a budget officer with Resource Services Washington and in 2001 was promoted to team leader.
   She was a member of Blacks in Government, 5-Star Toastmasters Club, Assn. of Government Accountants and Jack and Jill of America, Inc., where she was chapter historian, program director and vice president. She was a member of Greater Little Zion Baptist Church.
   Survivors include her husband Abraham and daughters Crystal and Angel.
   We will not forget her.
 

33 Karl William Teepe
    Karl W. Teepe, 57, worked for the Defense Intelligence Agency as a financial resources manager.
   He earned a B.S. degree from the University of Illinois and a master's degree from the University of Missouri. He was a graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College. During 22 years in the U.S. Army, he served in Germany and South Korea. His decorations include the Meritorious Service Medal with four oak leaf clusters; Army Commendation Medal; National Defense Service Medal; Bronze Service Star; Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal; Army Service Ribbon and Overseas Service Ribbon. He retired from the Army as a lieutenant colonel in 1991 after 22 years of service.
   His family was the most important thing in his life. He also enjoyed visiting the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C.
   Survivors include his wife Donna; son Adam; daughter Wendy Green; mother Ruth, and brother Kenneth.
   We will not forget him.
 
34 Sandra Letitia White
   Sandra L. (Murray) White, 44, worked as a budget analyst in the Pentagon for the U.S. Army.
   A graduate of Hampton Roads Business College, she worked for the Army for 15 years in budgeting and accounting. She was a lover of God’s word and a devoted Christian wife, mother and best friend.
   Survivors include her husband of 18 years, Col. (Ret.) Oscar N. White, Jr.; sons Oscar III and Jonathan; parents Aaron and Gloria Murray; brothers Curtis and Aaron Murray, and sisters Maj. Gloria Murray and Connie Harris.
   We will not forget her.
 
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and if that wasnt enough.... check this guy out

Gerald F. DeConto
  Capt. Gerald F. DeConto, 44, was director of the current operations and plans branch of the U.S. Navy Command Center. He was organizing the Navy’s response to the World Trade Center attack when he died in the plane crash at the Pentagon.
   The son of a school teacher and a town building inspector, DeConto earned a physics degree from the U.S. Naval Academy, where he played rugby. He reported to the USS Excel as a damage control assistant, later serving as engineering officer and executive officer. He then became operations officer on the USS Fresno.
   After earning a Master’s degree in mechanical engineering from the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Ca., he served as chief engineer on the USS Hewitt, then as an aide to the assistant chief of naval operations for surface warfare. He was named executive officer on the USS Lake Erie in 1991. After that he was assistant operations officer for Carrier Group 7. After earning a Master’s degree in national security and strategic studies at the Naval War College, he was commanding officer of the USS Simpson from 1998 to 2000, and chief of staff for the Standing Naval Force Mediterranean.
   He enjoyed sailing, running with his two dogs, and giving his brothers pointers about coaching soccer. Survivors include his mother, two brothers and two sisters.
   We will not forget him.

if i get bored later i will post the 50 or so tellecommunications people who worked in his department ... they got taken out too :)

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2007, 01:13:45 PM »
and like i predicted, its in the numbers

on september 10 2001 donny dumsfeld announced the pentagon had lost track of some 2.3 trillion $$
http://www.defenselink.mil/Speeches/Speech.aspx?SpeechID=430

on sep 11 2001 the pentagon was struck by a plane, and the sections hit were the personelle, naval intelligence, telecommunications (both of which were involved in the responce to the WTC attacks) and most notably .... accounting and finance, the very people who were working on the 2.3 trillion issue all wiped out in an instant:

well ain't that just dandy.


Cue the "Official Story" people to say that in a day filled with such incredible anomalies, this was just another coincidence.

I tell you what, i'd hate to go to the pearly gates and tell St. Peter that I spent my life helping to propagate such a lie which killed 3000 folks and was obviously an inside job.

let's hear it tho - religious and otherwise - joker, nordic, mr i, beach, and others...

tell us how it's just a coincidence. 

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2007, 01:21:34 PM »
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and like i predicted, its in the numbers

on september 10 2001 donny dumsfeld announced the pentagon had lost track of some 2.3 trillion $$
http://www.defenselink.mil/Speeches/Speech.aspx?SpeechID=430

on sep 11 2001 the pentagon was struck by a plane, and the sections hit were the personelle, naval intelligence, telecommunications (both of which were involved in the responce to the WTC attacks) and most notably .... accounting and finance, the very people who were working on the 2.3 trillion issue all wiped out in an instant:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/pentagon.victims.html

Ozmo and ajoker will will say this is a quinsidence.  ::)


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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2007, 01:25:11 PM »
Imagine if this happened in the real world:

$2.3 Trillion dollars goes missing.
The next day, a plane crashes into the accounting dept, destroying all info and people who know about it.

The company gets to do its own internal investigation.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

What a f'king joke.  Anyone see why we need a truly independent 9/11 investigation now?

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2007, 01:29:32 PM »
The problem is the American people. They think their government is well intentioned and actually gives a damn about them. Admit it or not, the American people bought Iraq hook, line and sinker and they'll certainly do the same when Uncle Sam decides to invade Iran.

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2007, 05:19:43 PM »
What would you have us do about it? Try pulling most of middle america away from church, kids, work and whats for dinner long enough to actually listen for 10 min and you might have a shot of something happening, but it's unlikely.

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2007, 05:24:54 PM »
i dont care whatcha do with it ... im just pointing out the cold hard facts that the media and even the 911 conspiracy sites have failed to address

2.3trillion/3000 = 766 million savings per victim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2007, 06:14:52 PM »
It's gonna happen like it always does.

no one will ever be charged for it, but the majority of society will know.

people get away with shit. period.  we can let those in washington battle over it, and maybe some legislators will push something thru which brings 911 truth to light.  but other than that, the other 300 million of us are just along for the ride.  nothin we can do but watch.  i'm bored with it. 

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2007, 07:04:53 PM »
nothin we can do but watch.  i'm bored with it. 
True, steps have been made though. Can't educate sheeps that were born followers

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2007, 07:27:31 PM »
an accountant paying funny with numbers $2,3 trillion dollars is more than the entire worth of all equipment the US army owns. Plus it would mean the congress would have had to approve a 1.5 trillion dollar money bill. This never happened.

Also there have been even more poor accounting errors happen in the defense department in the last 5 years.

IT is crazy to see that waste in Iraq.

Believe what you want however, there Pentagon has over 23,000 employees.

It is very sad that people died, but it hasn't stop the investigation into waste.
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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2007, 07:53:11 PM »
an accountant paying funny with numbers $2,3 trillion dollars is more than the entire worth of all equipment the US army owns. Plus it would mean the congress would have had to approve a 1.5 trillion dollar money bill. This never happened.

Also there have been even more poor accounting errors happen in the defense department in the last 5 years.

IT is crazy to see that waste in Iraq.

Believe what you want however, there Pentagon has over 23,000 employees.

It is very sad that people died, but it hasn't stop the investigation into waste.

if you have an explosion in the area of the building where most of the human, paper and electronic intelligence is it will have a crippliong effect on the investigation, im sure if you looked into it instead of guessing (in a field where you are not an expert) you would come to the same conclusion

youll recall that many of the enron and world com files were lost in tower 7 as well :)

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2007, 08:33:31 AM »
Ozmo and ajoker will will say this is a quinsidence.  ::)



I haven't used the term coincedence in a whie  ::)

But yes, coincedences are the bases for most convictions aren't they?

I need to research this 2.3 trillion.  Somethings don't make sense (things not related to pentagon getting hit by a flying easter bunny)

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2007, 08:53:54 AM »
I haven't used the term coincedence in a whie  ::)

But yes, coincedences are the bases for most convictions aren't they?

I need to research this 2.3 trillion.  Somethings don't make sense (things not related to pentagon getting hit by a flying easter bunny)

Supporters of the official story, for some reason, try very hard to discount the importance of 2.3 to 2.6 trillion missing dollars.  it had been a quarter of the DoD budget since the beginning, and Rummy decided on Sept 10, 2001, to drop the announcement that over the last 5 to 10 years, a lot of money had gone missing.

The timing should be suspect.  This would have been a huge news story.
The fact that the accounting dept was hit. 
The fact the terrorists circled the building.
The fact they had spent a lot of time renovating that area, it had opened just that morning, and had a nice white stripe on the lawn (lined up with the missile path) which was erased a few days before the attacks.
The fact that a great deal of info and people (evidence and potential witnesses or scapegoats) were all eliminated.
The fact that at WTC7, Enron documents had all been lost.  Enron did a lot of odd things with money in those last two years.  Bush/Cheney had many private meetings with Ken Lay.  Was some of that 2.3 trillion laundered thru Enron?  It's not unreasonable to wonder, especially in light that all evidence was destoryed in govt possession in one day with zero data backup, oddly enough.


Obviously nobody should go on trial for these facts.  But they would, in any sane universe, warrant an independent investigation.

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2007, 08:58:40 AM »
Another story about the problem as of 2002.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

The actual speech
http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/2001/s20010910-secdef.html


Defense budget for 2001 go to page 13 for specific spending. $291 billion in 2001 is what I get.
http://www.dod.mil/comptroller/defbudget/fy2001/fy2001_greenbook.pdf
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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2007, 09:17:12 AM »
jesus christ, being canadian i didnt realize that comptroller ment controller (ie the head accountant of an organization) .... you can add the comptroller and office to the list of victims of 911 ...

for those that dont know the problem here would have been similar to enron in that the pentagon has most likely been cooking their books (ie messing with the numbers to make their financial position seem more secure or to hide fraud) for decades, but every time you cook the books this year, you have to bullshit a bit more next year to make up for it .... thats how something could balloon to 2.3 trillion (and im sure some of those were in and out transactions)

when you have an accident where the lions share of intelligence relating to the investigation is lost its tatamount to resetting your odometer

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2007, 09:22:12 AM »
jesus christ, being canadian i didnt realize that comptroller ment controller (ie the head accountant of an organization) .... you can add the comptroller and office to the list of victims of 911 ...

for those that dont know the problem here would have been similar to enron in that the pentagon has most likely been cooking their books (ie messing with the numbers to make their financial position seem more secure or to hide fraud) for decades, but every time you cook the books this year, you have to bullshit a bit more next year to make up for it .... thats how something could balloon to 2.3 trillion (and im sure some of those were in and out transactions)

when you have an accident where the lions share of intelligence relating to the investigation is lost its tatamount to resetting your odometer

Most of the information wasn't lost though.
Seeing how this investigation has continued.
Including the billions that have gone missing during the Iraq war.
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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2007, 09:33:46 AM »
Most of the information wasn't lost though.
Seeing how this investigation has continued.
Including the billions that have gone missing during the Iraq war.

speaking from yee bum again ... have you heard anyone talking about this 2.3 trillion since 911? ... only references i found to it were the references to donny's speech from 9/10, any numbers since are fractional

40 or so people who were woking on it died, even if they lost zerp % of the paper world that would cripple any investigation .... im guessing youve never audited anything but if you had youd know how interconnected everything is and how the process must build upon itself ....

+ watch the congressional hearings where that black congress woman asks the pentagon accountants who their software contracts are with so they can look into the missing 2.3 trillion ... they refuse to answer

you really are looking for any way to discount any info suggesting an inside job ... thats pathetic

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2007, 09:59:10 AM »

Here is the report.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul2001/d20010710finmngt.pdf


If I can find it I am sure that the government can.
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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
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More than ten years ago, the U.S. Congress passed the Chief Financial Officers (CFO)
Act, mandating that the Federal agencies prepare annually a set of auditable financial
statements detailing assets and liabilities and the results of their annual operations.
Selected agencies, including parts of DoD, were included as pilots for this program. In
1994, Congress passed the Government Management and Results Act, mandating that the
CFO Act applies to all agencies. For FY 2000, DoD, once again, was unable to meet the
requirements of the CFO Act. Even more troublesome is the awareness that compliance
with the CFO Act remains out of reach, far over the horizon.
In the current environment, DoD has a serious credibility problem in financial
management. On January 11, 2001, in the confirmation hearing of the Secretary of
Defense (SECDEF), Senator Byrd questioned the Defense Department's inability "to
receive a clean audit opinion in its financial statements". He went on to say, "I seriously
question an increase in the Pentagon's budget in the face of the department's recent
(inspector general) report. How can we seriously consider a $50 billion increase in the
Defense Department's budget when the (Department of Defense's) own auditors--when
DoD's own auditors--say the department cannot account for $2.3 trillion in
transactions…"

In subsequent Senate testimony of February 13, 2001, Senator Grassley referenced these
questions and continued, "...these reports show that DoD has lost control of the money at
the transaction level. With no control at the transaction level, it is physically impossible
to roll up the numbers into a top-line financial statement that can stand up to scrutiny and,
most importantly, audit."
While DoD may debate some of the criticisms of its financial statements and the size and
components of the $2.3 trillion issue, we think that corrective action requires radical
financial management transformation. For the FY 1999 financial statements, the auditors
concluded that $2.3 trillion transactions of the $7.6 trillion entries to the financial
statements were "unsupported". DoD notes that many of these entries included end-ofperiod
estimates for such items as military pension actuarial liabilities and contingent
liabilities, and manual entries for such items as contract accounts payable and property
and equipment values. DoD would further note that the "unsupported" entries are "not
necessarily improper" and that documentation does exist in many cases, albeit, not
adequate for the auditing standards imposed.
To date, DoD’s efforts to improve financial information have focused primarily on
obtaining reliable information, and a protracted effort involving people, systems and data
still is required to reach the goal. But it is possible to reach the goal of reliable financial
information and a clean audit opinion and still not have information that is relevant to
managers. A complementary effort is needed to ensure that DoD’s management
information systems also provide relevant information. This includes selecting
performance metrics, linking them to costs, and institutionalizing their use in financial
management information systems and management decision-making.

in lymans terms, no more $$ till you resolve the 2.3 trillion issue

and now they have all they money they could ever want :)

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2007, 10:13:17 AM »
joker did you actually read through that report?

youll notice something strange if you do, with the exception of the notes there are no numbers, and even in the notes they seem to be speaking with little to no details ...

what this report did was make a qualitative analysis of the procedures they need to implement to avoid losing another 2.3 trillion  .... which is another way of saying they didnt look into the first 2.3 trillion that is unsubstantiated ... which means nobody will ever be held to account for that money going missing

you have just made my argument even stronger, thanks :)

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2007, 10:25:49 AM »
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Journal Voucher Guidance issued by DFAS was not in agreement with generally accepted accounting
principles. DFAS Centers processed 5,654 unsupported or improper department-level accounting
entries, valued at $1.2 trillion. One of the reasons that the department-level accounting entries were
unsupported is that they were made to force general ledger data to agree with data from other sources
without adequate research and reconciliation.

it is enron all over again ...

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2007, 10:38:08 AM »
joker is one evil soulless f*cker.

It's like, he looks at WTC7 and shrugs, saying if Bush's NIST apointee says it's koosher, it's kosher.

He looks at the Pentagon hit, where a lot of money goes missing, they put a plane into the witnesses and records 16 hours after the announcement, they investigate it themslves despite many media houndings of "where is the plane", and they just reset the cash odometer and start borrowing and spending anew.

Either he's a complete shill, paid or otherwise, or the most gullible dude ever born.

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2007, 10:44:32 AM »
i dont think hes gullible or a shill, just not ready to think about 911 as an inside job

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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2007, 10:58:56 AM »
joker did you actually read through that report?

youll notice something strange if you do, with the exception of the notes there are no numbers, and even in the notes they seem to be speaking with little to no details ...

what this report did was make a qualitative analysis of the procedures they need to implement to avoid losing another 2.3 trillion  .... which is another way of saying they didnt look into the first 2.3 trillion that is unsubstantiated ... which means nobody will ever be held to account for that money going missing

you have just made my argument even stronger, thanks :)


I don't see how.

The people that commissioned and worked on the report are all still alive and working for the pentagon.

Also, you would note that in 2001 only 300 billion of the 2.6 trillion dollars of capital was actually being tracked. That is where the 2.3 trillion dollar number comes from.
In 2003 according to the SFgate story I posted DOD is tracking all but 1 trillion dollars worth of capital.

The money waste and lack of accounting is unacceptable, but it isn't a smoking gun.
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Re: a jimmy exclusive: smoking gun of 911 finally found
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2007, 11:00:11 AM »
i dont think hes gullible or a shill, just not ready to think about 911 as an inside job

240 is just pissed I don't agree with him.

Thats fine, without debate how can anyone see a bigger picture.
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