Author Topic: Lindland - the most dominant middleweight fighter! (Read 5216 times)

G · « **on:** January 14, 2007, 08:13:27 PM »

The guy is a badass - he deserves to fight in the UFC.....Fuckin Dana needs to cut the crab about Matt being "not marketable" and the N1 rated fighter fight in the UFC.....just pisses me off ....but of course it's all politics.
Matts 's last few fights were in the 205 lbs class...if he ever step up in the UFC's lightheavies.../chuck might be in trouble

Scimowser · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2007, 12:25:20 PM »

I doubt he would pose much of a problem for a fighter like Chuck. Matts whole thing is getting guys on the ground and controlling them - the very thing Chuck is better at escaping than just about anybody. If he shoots too often then he just leaves himself wide open for a knockout crack. Now the 185 division is the key. He was number 1 contender and would have dominated Franklin, Dana knowing this decided to can him which is a fucking travesty. He claims hes not marketable, who cares if he is? He earned the chance to fight Ace for the title and that was denied to him by the only man who could stop it. It would be an excellent fight to watch him against Silva. Silvas immense striking would smash him to bits, but then he could just as easily get him to ground & tear him apart

Your MAAAAaaaa · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2007, 01:20:15 PM »

He is ssssssssssoooooooooooooo oo boring though the only fight of his I enjoyed was when he got dropped on his head!!

What a freak knockout!!

I respect his skills but for me when he is on I cannot pay attention

ta ta

Bluto · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2007, 07:28:59 PM »

technically he's great, true athlete, driven, agressive, but not very fun to watch. so he'll never be big with the fans compared to a lot of the other fighters out there.

G · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2007, 07:51:28 PM »

Quote from: Scimowser on January 15, 2007, 12:25:20 PM

I doubt he would pose much of a problem for a fighter like Chuck. Matts whole thing is getting guys on the ground and controlling them - the very thing Chuck is better at escaping than just about anybody. If he shoots too often then he just leaves himself wide open for a knockout crack. Now the 185 division is the key. He was number 1 contender and would have dominated Franklin, Dana knowing this decided to can him which is a fucking travesty. He claims hes not marketable, who cares if he is? He earned the chance to fight Ace for the title and that was denied to him by the only man who could stop it. It would be an excellent fight to watch him against Silva. Silvas immense striking would smash him to bits, but then he could just as easily get him to ground & tear him apart

MAtt is still rated N 1 in the middleweight according to maweekly, and i think it's been like that for the last 4-5 years.If goes back in the 185 class in UFC, it' ll be pretty boring , because he will dominate just like he did before , that ' s why i wanna see him in the 205 class. He lost to Rampage by decision, but we all saw who was the better fighter.He has a very go dchance against guys like Lidell, shogun, wandi etc...and yes he will be able to take Chuck down - just like Randy did in their first fight.Both Randy and Matt are olympic greco - roman wrestlers, however i believe that Matt' s freestyle wrestling is a better than Couture's.Too bad he probably won fight again in the UFC, but who knows ..maybe Pride will sign him up one day...!

americanbulldog · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2007, 08:16:37 PM »

Matt is a great fighter, no doubt. But as it was previously stated, he wins in a very unexciting way. He likes to use his great Greco skills and smother guys, use dirty boxing to tire guys out. This is a very good strategy for him, because he is so good at it. He also, isn't the most marketable guy. I think he would maul Ace, and give Anderson a tough fight. He is too small for Chuck and would get TKOed.

G · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2007, 08:49:33 PM »

Quote from: americanbulldog on January 15, 2007, 08:16:37 PM

Matt is a great fighter, no doubt. But as it was previously stated, he wins in a very unexciting way. He likes to use his great Greco skills and smother guys, use dirty boxing to tire guys out. This is a very good strategy for him, because he is so good at it. He also, isn't the most marketable guy. I think he would maul Ace, and give Anderson a tough fight. He is too small for Chuck and would get TKOed.

yeah...well ...too bad UFC is all about "exciting", and not much about skills .Same reason Ricco is not there... And no...Lindland is not too small for a 205 pounder!

americanbulldog · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2007, 12:16:44 AM »

He is for weight cutters like Chuck who are great at counter punching wrestlers like Lindland. If anything, I think Hendo would have a better chance against Chuck. Hendo has power.

Bluto · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2007, 04:02:05 AM »

To say that he would have a very good chance against Chuck, Shogun and Wand is delusional.

G · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2007, 06:58:02 AM »

Quote from: americanbulldog on January 16, 2007, 12:16:44 AM

He is for weight cutters like Chuck who are great at counter punching wrestlers like Lindland. If anything, I think Hendo would have a better chance against Chuck. Hendo has power.

I hope You do realize the difference between NCAA wrestler and a olympic class wrestler.,cause it doesnt look like you do.Lidell is great at counter punching mediocre westlers like Tito and National champs like Randleman and pretty much that's it.A wrestler like Lindland is a totally different story.Unless you have wrestling background or a currently wrestling in high school or college, you wont be able to appreciate and realize how good of wrestler Mat Lindland is! In fact the only great wrestler Chuck ever fought is Couture..-and Randy was able to take him down several times, the next two fights looked like Randy wanted to stand uo and gou KO'd.Currently Lindland is in better shape of Couture and he is a better freestyle wrestler.....you do the math...

G · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2007, 06:59:30 AM »

Quote from: Bluto on January 16, 2007, 04:02:05 AM

To say that he would have a very good chance against Chuck, Shogun and Wand is delusional.

You are absolutely clueless!

Bluto · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2007, 10:25:00 AM »

Quote from: G on January 16, 2007, 06:59:30 AM

You are absolutely clueless!

No I'm not. You are. I think you're alone in the world with that opinion of Lindland.
What's next, you gonna say he's got a pretty good chance against Fedor too?

G · « **Reply #12 on:** January 16, 2007, 10:58:08 AM »

Quote from: Bluto on January 16, 2007, 10:25:00 AM

No I'm not. You are. I think you're alone in the world with that opinion of Lindland.
What's next, you gonna say he's got a pretty good chance against Fedor too?

ummmm...yeah ..you are clueless....you probably don't even know who Matt Lindland is. Bafore judging ML, make sure you know something about him, about his background... his record and accomplishments and so on.....I'm sure you don't even know where is he fighting at the moment!

Bluto · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2007, 11:00:32 AM »

Quote from: G on January 16, 2007, 10:58:08 AM

ummmm...yeah ..you are clueless....you probably don't even know Matt Lindland is. Bafore judging ML, make sure you know something about him, about his background... his record and accomplishments and so on.....

I've seen him fight plenty of times. And I've followed UFC since day 1. He's good but he's not up there with Chuck, Shogun or Wanderlei Silva.

G · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2007, 11:03:42 AM »

Quote from: Bluto on January 16, 2007, 11:00:32 AM

I've seen him fight plenty of times. And I've followed UFC since day 1. He's good but he's not up there with Chuck, Shogun or Wanderlei Silva.

Do you know that he's still fighting...?If yes...where?HE doesn't fight in UFC because he has personal issues with Dana.And Dana doesn't give a shit who's the best fighter, all he cares about is his money!ANd yes I agree ML is boring - because he dominates everybody in his weightclass easily al the way to end of the fight!N o excaiting KOs, or submissions , just good old GnP and domination to the highest degree.

G · « **Reply #15 on:** January 16, 2007, 11:13:55 AM »

Quote from: Bluto on January 16, 2007, 11:00:32 AM

I've seen him fight plenty of times. And I've followed UFC since day 1. He's good but he's not up there with Chuck, Shogun or Wanderlei Silva.

None of this guys has Lindland's ground game, non of the has fought a wrestler of his class( except Chuck when he got TKO'd) I don't say for sure that Matt will beat any of them., but he can take any of them down, and once the fight goes on the ground - It'll stay on the ground to the end of each! round!

G · « **Reply #16 on:** January 16, 2007, 11:31:46 AM »

Quote from: Bluto on January 16, 2007, 10:25:00 AM

No I'm not. You are. I think you're alone in the world with that opinion of Lindland.
What's next, you gonna say he's got a pretty good chance against Fedor too?

No i don't think I'm the only one, and he does fight in 205 as well

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/topten.asp?articleid=14&zoneid=15

Scimowser · « **Reply #17 on:** January 16, 2007, 11:35:36 AM »

youre forgetting that Chuck had 2 more fights with the same guy, adapted his style and battered the shit out of him. Now i dont buy into this bullshit theory that Randy was over the hill, he was still slaying some of UFCs best guys. It was the same as when Hatton fought Tszyu and smashed him, they said Tszyu was too far passed his best blah blah blah. tell that to Sharmba Mitchell - who he KO'd in the third round in his warm up fight.

Sure he might just be able to take them down, but can he keep Chuck on his back? I really dont think so, i say Liddell would KO him. Im not getting at Linland, he is actually one of my favourite fighters. Just dont try and put him too high up because you will be very disappointed when he falls hard. Get him in with Dan Henderson before you talk about him fighting Wandy and Chuck, he will test him harder than those 2 ever could

G · « **Reply #18 on:** January 16, 2007, 11:43:21 AM »

I don't say that he can't be KO'd by Chuck.....but when they go on the ground you will be surprised how well Lindland will be able to keep him there.Lindland has a better chance of taking him down than any other figher Liddell has fought, even than Randy, and if the fight goes on the ground - It will stay on the ground to the end of the round or a TKO.The only reason I mentioned the 205 class is beause ML is currently fighting there and it will be a lot more action if he ever steps in the UFC/Pride's lightheavies insted of middleweights.

americanbulldog · « **Reply #19 on:** January 16, 2007, 01:57:38 PM »

Quote from: G on January 16, 2007, 06:58:02 AM

I hope You do realize the difference between NCAA wrestler and a olympic class wrestler.,cause it doesnt look like you do.Lidell is great at counter punching mediocre westlers like Tito and National champs like Randleman and pretty much that's it.A wrestler like Lindland is a totally different story.Unless you have wrestling background or a currently wrestling in high school or college, you wont be able to appreciate and realize how good of wrestler Mat Lindland is! In fact the only great wrestler Chuck ever fought is Couture..-and Randy was able to take him down several times, the next two fights looked like Randy wanted to stand uo and gou KO'd.Currently Lindland is in better shape of Couture and he is a better freestyle wrestler.....you do the math...

Randy couldn't keep Chuck down once he got him there. This is the difference, Randy has A LOT more POWER than Lindland. Lindland has trouble with BJ Penn. Chuck uses the cage as a weapon to his advantage. Find me a wrestler that has successfully been able to impose his will on Chuck after the Chuck/Randy I. There hasn't been any. BTW, Randy was a 1997 World Cup champ. He has been a greco wrestler at a high level who was befuddled by Chucks defense and footwork (thumbs aside). The reason Randy stood is because Chuck is good at moving side to side, cutting angles and throwing bombs. Lindland would stand no chance with Chuck. Name me one wrestling based MMA fighter holding a title in a major organization. BTW, if you think the Soul Assasin has wicked power and hands, then think what would happen to Matt if Chuck hit him. I like Matt, but to say he would beat Chuck tells me how clueless YOU ARE. MVA is a great wrestler who got subbed by Babalu who Chuck destroyed twice. Styles make fights, and Chuck's style is ideally suited for the cage against looping strikers, or wrestlers.

Bluto · « **Reply #20 on:** January 16, 2007, 02:48:07 PM »

I don't doubt Lindlands ground game, but there's a reason it's called MIXED martial arts, it just doesn't matter that he is that good on the ground.

G · « **Reply #21 on:** January 16, 2007, 06:46:26 PM »

Quote from: americanbulldog on January 16, 2007, 01:57:38 PM

Randy couldn't keep Chuck down once he got him there. This is the difference, Randy has A LOT more POWER than Lindland. Lindland has trouble with BJ Penn. Chuck uses the cage as a weapon to his advantage. Find me a wrestler that has successfully been able to impose his will on Chuck after the Chuck/Randy I. There hasn't been any. BTW, Randy was a 1997 World Cup champ. He has been a greco wrestler at a high level who was befuddled by Chucks defense and footwork (thumbs aside). The reason Randy stood is because Chuck is good at moving side to side, cutting angles and throwing bombs. Lindland would stand no chance with Chuck. Name me one wrestling based MMA fighter holding a title in a major organization. BTW, if you think the Soul Assasin has wicked power and hands, then think what would happen to Matt if Chuck hit him. I like Matt, but to say he would beat Chuck tells me how clueless YOU ARE. MVA is a great wrestler who got subbed by Babalu who Chuck destroyed twice. Styles make fights, and Chuck's style is ideally suited for the cage against looping strikers, or wrestlers.

Read my posts before arguing with me - never said that ML will beat Liddell - I said that he has a very goood chance.Most of Randy's accomplishments as a world class wrestler are in greco-roman style, so are Matt 's, but anyone who knows something about wrestling would agree me that Matt is little bit better in freestyle wrestling, that's why i think he has a better chance of taking down Liddel.Randy is smore powerful than ML, but keeping somebody on the ground is not all about power, but positioning.Statements like "Lindland would stand no chance with Chuck" show that you are the clueless one.MVA - I guess you are talking about Van Arsdale - what the hell does this have to do with ML?

OKMike · « **Reply #22 on:** January 16, 2007, 07:51:08 PM »

I don't believe Matt Lindland is even the best middleweight fighter to come out of Team Quest. Dan Henderson has a similar wrestling background (Olympic medal winner in Greco), way more punching power, more athleticism, wins over better opponents (i.e. Big Nog), and the Pride belt. His rematch with Wanderlei should be great.

G · « **Reply #23 on:** January 16, 2007, 08:09:07 PM »

Hendo is a badass too, great athlete, great wrestle, good striker....I dont thing he is better that Matt though.But some reason he is not even in the top 5!

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/topten.asp?articleid=14&zoneid=15

americanbulldog · « **Reply #24 on:** January 16, 2007, 08:17:52 PM »

Quote from: G on January 16, 2007, 06:46:26 PM

Read my posts before arguing with me - never said that ML will beat Liddell - I said that he has a very goood chance.Most of Randy's accomplishments as a world class wrestler are in greco-roman style, so are Matt 's, but anyone who knows something about wrestling would agree me that Matt is little bit better in freestyle wrestling, that's why i think he has a better chance of taking down Liddel.Randy is smore powerful than ML, but keeping somebody on the ground is not all about power, but positioning.Statements like "Lindland would stand no chance with Chuck" show that you are the clueless one.MVA - I guess you are talking about Van Arsdale - what the hell does this have to do with ML?

I would suggest the same to you. ML would have to fight Chuck in the cage, Chuck is the BEST at using the cage to keep himself upright. ML would have to traverse the striking range to get into the clinch where ML would do his best work. What does Chuck do the best? Move side to side, and backwards, cutting weird angles and throwing bombs. This spells trouble for ML. Again, if David Terrell can KO Matt, Chuck would send his head into the first row. I used MVA as an example because MVA didn't fare well against Babalu whom Chuck dismantled twice. Chuck also dismantled Randy twice, Tito twice. Do you see the correlation. Wrestling based MMA fighters who stalk their opponents end up getting TKOed by Chuck (I'm not even a fan of the guy, but I gotta give credit where credit is due). Watch both Randy/Chuck rematches. Chuck will back up, cover, and use the cage to "wall walk" up and get back to his feet. If Randy, a bigger and stronger wrestler than ML can't keep him down, what chance would ML. You can talk position to me till you are blue in the face, wrestling isn't MMA. I've been training BJJ for over 10 years, and BJJ isn't MMA. When you allow punches, elbows, and knees, it changes everything. Back in 1993 closed guard was the thing, how much do you see now? A lot of open/x/butterfly. Particularly where rules allow kneeing/elbowing a downed opponent. Styles make fights, and Matt's style is perfectly suited for Chuck.

Quote from: OKMike on January 16, 2007, 07:51:08 PM

I don't believe Matt Lindland is even the best middleweight fighter to come out of Team Quest. Dan Henderson has a similar wrestling background (Olympic medal winner in Greco), way more punching power, more athleticism, wins over better opponents (i.e. Big Nog), and the Pride belt. His rematch with Wanderlei should be great.

So yes he has a chance, but not a very good one. Chuck's match would be a fighter like himself who is a superior striker. And I think the UFC just signed one, and he wouldn't have to kill himself to make weight. Right kick hospital, left kick cemetary.

I agree with this assertion as well. Hendo is the more accomplished of the two in MMA.